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InvisibleXlea321
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Iraq: More hopeless than ever
    #3155277 - 09/20/04 12:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Abduction, murder, mayhem in the week the peace was lost

As the spread and severity of violence increases, Patrick Cockburn in Baghdad finds the Iraqi government's position more hopeless than ever
19 September 2004


Iraq this weekend is a country out of control. Iyad Allawi, the interim Iraqi Prime Minister, meets Tony Blair today amid a crisis over a British engineer kidnapped with two American colleagues, a spate of suicide bombings and armed clashes from one end of the country to the other.

Mr Allawi himself has full authority only within the heavily fortified Green Zone in Baghdad. A few hundred yards away, the Haifa Street district, a stronghold of the resistance, can be penetrated only by US tanks and infantry backed by helicopters.

When the US and Britain as the occupying powers in Iraq transferred sovereignty to an interim government led by Mr Allawi on 28 June, many Iraqis expressed hopes that security would improve. Instead it has got worse. Last week suicide bombs ripped through the centre of Baghdad. The number of attacks on US troops is increasing. Casualties from American air strikes pour into the hospital in Fallujah, its floor awash with blood.

The severity of the violence has increased, with some 300 people killed in the past week, but so has the geographical area in which it is occurring. Last week there was fighting from Tal Afar, a city in the north bordering Turkey, to Basra in the far south, on the border with Kuwait.

The extent to which the situation is deteriorating may not be obvious to the Iraqi government itself, or to its American allies. Mr Allawi lives under the protection of US security men. He and his ministers are under constant threat of assassination, while their officials frequently have to take cover from mortar bombs lobbed into the Green Zone (now officially called the international zone). The US embassy, equally isolated, is spending $200m (?110m ) fortifying and refurbishing Saddam Hussein's old Republican Palace to house some of its 900 staff members.

The US public is just as ignorant of the surging violence in Iraq because, ironically, it is now too dangerous for American television crews and print journalists to cover it. In the battle for Najaf in August, US correspondents with the dateline "Najaf" on their copy, or reports to camera, were often "embedded" with US forces several miles away from the fighting. The result? Network news in the US gives the quite false impression that Iraq is a crisis under control.

Mr Allawi, an avuncular-looking man resident in London for 30 years, always had a difficult task. He has almost no political base in Iraq and is therefore reliant on the 138,000-strong US military. His first concern should have been to make friends and try to expand the constituencies supporting him, but his dilemma is that the one of the few things that unites Iraqis outside Kurdistan is dislike of the US military occupation - polls in June showed it had the support of 2 per cent of the Arab population. Mr Allawi needs to distance himself from the Americans, but he cannot, because he depends on them.

To his credit, he did try at first to chart a more independent course. In early July he mooted an amnesty for insurgents who had not launched suicide bombs against Iraqis, but had killed American troops. US officials were aghast, since this was a tacit admission that attacks on American soldiers are popular.

Mr Allawi has made conciliatory statements in recent weeks, but as he speaks the US launches air strikes against "terrorist" targets in Fallujah, Ramadi and Sadr City. Against American claims that these are carried out with pinpoint accuracy, Iraqis see television footage of children, swathed in bandages, being carried into hospitals by weeping parents. In Haifa Street last week, US helicopters fired twice into a crowd, killing 13 people, while claiming that they had come under anti-aircraft fire. But footage of the moments before the rockets struck, killing the al-Arabiyah satellite television correspondent, proved that there was no gunfire.

The police and the Iraqi army are being rapidly built up - its would-be recruits are frequently slaughtered as they queue for jobs - but these are not combat troops. Mr Allawi needs some kind of accommodation with Iraqi militants, but he cannot do so, because Washington wants to persuade US voters before the presidential election in November that it has the crisis in Iraq under control. This rules out compromising or negotiating with what the White House claims are a tiny minority of militants - the battered remnants of Saddam Hussein's regime or foreign fighters linked to al-Qa'ida.

A map cannot show the exact distribution of power in present-day Iraq because insurgents, the US military, the Iraqi police and the Iraqi army may all be present at the same time. One Iraqi friend who had a minor traffic accident in central Baghdad last week was horrified to discover that the vehicle he had run into was filled with fighters clutching machine guns and rocket-propelled grenade launchers.

Iraqis are desperate for security, but the country is getting more dangerous by the day, and Mr Allawi is blamed. American officials, however, are more interested in putting an optimistic gloss on what is happening in the run-up to the presidential election. "We never thought it would be easy," said US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage last week. "We do expect an increase in violence as we approach the January elections."

Mr Armitage could hardly have missed the point more comprehensively. Not only would Mr Allawi lose any kind of vote today, elections acceptable to most Iraqis cannot be held in a country so divided and racked by violence. The struggle for power in Iraq is only beginning - and it will be fought with guns, not at the ballot box.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=563406


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Xlea321]
    #3156763 - 09/20/04 06:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know why people call it 'hopeless' because the insurgency is getting a footing. That's a good thing. Americans are falling. Reading articles like these is like hearing some German columnist in the 40's rant and rave how 'our beloved troops' (Nazi) are being killed by the insurgency in France. Oh the hopelessness!

I said it once, I'll say it again. I pray 2 rakats whenever I hear of American soldier deaths in Iraq.


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Zahid]
    #3156811 - 09/20/04 06:39 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:

I said it once, I'll say it again. I pray 2 rakats whenever I hear of American soldier deaths in Iraq.




People that talk like this end up in hell in their next life. Do not sow the karma of hatred and ignorance or you will experience their fruits of excruciating torment and despair. Statements like these reaffirm my suspicion that Islam is a religion of hatred and a path to suffering, violence and self-destruction.


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3156823 - 09/20/04 06:43 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

:blah: :blah: :blah:


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Zahid]
    #3156838 - 09/20/04 06:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

When your time comes I can't say I didn't warn you.


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3156850 - 09/20/04 06:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, we all knew you loved tha Jesus.


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3156851 - 09/20/04 06:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Can't we all agree god is cunt no matter what religion you are?


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Xlea321]
    #3156855 - 09/20/04 06:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #3156860 - 09/20/04 06:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

sir tripsalot said:
Can't we all agree god is cunt no matter what religion you are?




No. Not everyone agrees with atheism. Divided Sky has his Jesus, I have my God.


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Xlea321]
    #3156879 - 09/20/04 07:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I am not a Christian. However that does not mean I don't believe that our thoughts and actions do not have a profound impact on us later in life, in an afterlife, or in the future continuim of lives.

Every thought and action makes an imprint on your mind, and ultimately your state of mind is what creates happiness and suffering. Thoughts of hatred and violence create disturbed and unhappy minds which can manifest themselves as a) extreme pain and regret at the time of death, b)extreme pain and regret later in life, c) torment in the bardo after death, d) misery and suffering in afterlife or future lives.

This is nothing but cause and effect. If you believe in afterlife of some sort you will have to account for your thoughts and deeds. If you believe there is a God who rewards hatred, ignorance and violence in his name you will be in for a terrible realization.


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3156897 - 09/20/04 07:09 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

If you ain't Christian, you ain't got nothing to say. You are an unbeliever of all the Prophets, which is even worse.

Unbelief is the greatest sin.

No one is celebrating ignorance and hatred. Muslims are at WAR with aggressors, and the Prophet Muhammad commanded us to pray for the well being of slain enemies in the next life.

Besides, we are talking about politics here.


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #3156913 - 09/20/04 07:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

sir tripsalot said:
Can't we all agree god is cunt no matter what religion you are?



Yes. :thumbup:


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: sir tripsalot]
    #3157112 - 09/20/04 08:01 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

sir tripsalot said:
Can't we all agree god is cunt no matter what religion you are?



Since I believe that we are all one with God, and thus every person is God, then yes.


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: silversoul7]
    #3157127 - 09/20/04 08:06 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

God doesn't need us, but we need God.

Your statement reaks of someone who believes they don't need God.


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Zahid]
    #3157132 - 09/20/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Time to get this thread back on track. Any comments on the article Alex123 posted?

pinky


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Phred]
    #3157136 - 09/20/04 08:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, scroll up.

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I don't know why people call it 'hopeless' because the insurgency is getting a footing. That's a good thing. Americans are falling. Reading articles like these is like hearing some German columnist in the 40's rant and rave how 'our beloved troops' (Nazi) are being killed by the insurgency in France. Oh the hopelessness!

I said it once, I'll say it again. I pray 2 rakats whenever I hear of American soldier deaths in Iraq.




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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Zahid]
    #3157218 - 09/20/04 08:30 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:
Unbelief is the greatest sin.




I believe in Mohammed. I see him sweeping the floors at work every day. Nice guy.
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No one is celebrating ignorance and hatred. Muslims are at WAR with aggressors, and the Prophet Muhammad commanded us to pray for the well being of slain enemies in the next life.




The Prophet Muhammad sure is doing you guys a great amount of good. They managed to destroy 2 buildings, kill 3,000+ people, and all we've done to them it seized all of their money, destroyed two theocratic dictatorships, one that was partly responsible for 9/11. Maybe it's time to pick another god and start praying to him? Zeus did wonders for people years ago. I'd say Moham and Al are down for the count.


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: retread]
    #3157231 - 09/20/04 08:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Correction: One theocratic dictatorship. Saddam's Iraq wasn't theocratic, it was a secular military elitist dictatorship.


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Evolving]
    #3157370 - 09/20/04 09:13 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Shaved or au natural?


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Re: Iraq: More hopeless than ever [Re: Zahid]
    #3158713 - 09/21/04 02:11 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know why people call it 'hopeless' because the insurgency is getting a footing

I think it means for the Iraqi people. You do have a point tho - I'm sure the arms manufacturers and corporations are very pleased Iraq is going to be a warzone for years. They're going to make more profit than Vietnam. Pity about the americans actually doing the fighting tho.


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