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I think people need to start dieing. theres too many people out there, most of which are idiots! TOO MUCH REPRODUCTION IS GOING ON!!! too many stupid slutty pregnant teens everywhere with their little to non- educated boyfriends holding jobs at the local McDonalds, particularly in the US, TOO many stupid stupid disgraceful mormon people having 8 children per family in high hopes of spreading their filthy religion, too little world wars going on that would really help us lower the population, too many disgusting little bratty bugar nosed kiddies running around overcrowding every fucking school in the fucking US, too many soccer moms out there hauling their precious angels around everyday, too little airborn deadly diseases that would also help lower the population..blah blah blah
i'm disgusted of our race i hope we all die soon!!!!!!!!!!!!
we will be dead soon if the fucking NASA people don't start shipping people off to mars
ok i'm done
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I also agree that the world is becoming dangerously overpopulated.
We're not rebuilding after the war here.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Learyfan]
#315576 - 05/12/01 10:00 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't worry. Cloning will eventually solve the population problem.
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In the US 90% of the people live on 10% of our turf.....
over-population per-se is not a problem....gluttony,waste, consumerism, and poor management of our time is.
By the poor management of time i mean majority of people are doing something the majority of the time to errode and degrade our natural systems and balances.
On the bright side i believe the earth to be a very good self-preserving entity. You may not think so, but you need to view large time frames, we live to much in the moment and think we are important...we are not! most anything and everything we do is completely meaningless in the big picture...good or bad, it does not matter.
It only matters in the sense of perpetuating our genes to a higher level of beings. To do this takes much time and many mistakes. Stupidity is just as important as intelligence, it weeds through all possible wrong scenarios until in the end we get them right.
The thing is we are only in the first stages of this and IMO all basically idiots so we have a long way to go.....the smartest of peoples are still oh so close to those snot nose kids it not even funny. And yes our current course could lead to some type of mass destruction, drowning ourselves in our own stupidity. If this happens, it happens because it needs to happen,the big kahuna of "YOU FUCKING IDIOTS *POOF*....TRY AGAIN".....
Next time round perhaps we get it right....this scenario can be taken 2 ways....macrocosm/microcosm.....the latter is already happening in your everyday life and death. The former is when we as people just don't get 'it' and we all gotta go, don't under-estimate the power of Gaia she can and will do this, with compassion, although it may not seem so.
There is no way other scenarios such as world domination by evil and mass destruction will play out, it just aint happnin' we work out our existance or the powers that be greater than our own will take charge....chances are we wise up...
But all this is is only relavent to this plane of existance.
Death is no more than a revolving door...you die then you are spit right back with hopefully more knowledge or stupider', like I said it does not matter which they are both important, each learning do's and don'ts....
Earth no longer? then this cycle is replaced by a new like i said this is only one plane of our existance, may seem important here and now, but trust me its not, we have many better to choose from and from what i've seen this is the bottom of the barrel so no matter what is played out it is only uphill from here.......'
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Re: overpopulation [Re: que]
#315702 - 05/12/01 01:27 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I see what youre saying, but when you say "we" are you referring to life or the human race?
I hold a firm belief the human race will end soon due to self destruction and that, yes, another race of species will eventually become dominant, unless the earth will remain in the state of nature that preserved life and kept the earth in a steady cycle for so long before we, as humans, started killing more food than we need, colonizing, conquering, etc.
thats all i have to say for now.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#315725 - 05/12/01 01:55 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Overpopulation will that not lead to hunger and starvation? Or will this economy be able to feed them? I dont think it will. Depletion of resources then will become seen. I think the people who see this will begin to self produce what they need. If not they will be dependent upon the eroding US economy. Food stamps anybody?
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#316153 - 05/13/01 08:36 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching pills and listening to repetitive electronic music.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#316232 - 05/13/01 11:38 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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All the rich fuckers and politicians are gonna take off in a spaceship to Mars, and leave all of our wretched poor selves to a life of fear, pain, and misery here on Planet Earth.
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 Re: overpopulation [Re: zeuzjuz]
#316317 - 05/13/01 02:03 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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As of this minute, the current world population is: 6,095,937,655
Starvation Deaths This Year: 11,456,943
Rainforests Acres Cut in 2001: 20,348,064
Species Extinctions in 2001: 74,876
In my opinion, saying the Earth will balance out the human population
by disease, storms, etc. is nothing more than wishful thinking. The amount of deaths from
these natural reactions is quickly refilled and exceeded.
I once read that the number of fatalities caused by war in the 20th century, meaning
all of WWI, WWII, etc. etc. could be replaced in only six weeks.
I do not believe the Earth will necessary solve our overpopulation
(perhaps it is trying but failing) problem, rather it is our
job. Edited by Agent Cooper on 05/13/01 04:25 PM.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: zeuzjuz]
#316323 - 05/13/01 02:14 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Jen- the 'we' I'll explain later.......
Agent Cooper-I'm throwing this together hastily in a hurry....but first let me say you are correct
Here is the type of conflicting type of information you find on the web.....our future here is widely disputed from 'doom and gloom soon'... to.....No problem!....
The U.N. last year revised its year 2050 population projection to 8.9 billion, down from 9.4 billion. The change was based on the world's continuing birthrate decline and on the rapid spread of hiv infection, particularly in sub-Saharan Africa.....
In 30 or 40 years the world pop. is expected to reach around 40 or 50 billion. I ask you, how can we reach this level of people and leave a smaller footprint on the Earth. Things are going to get worse before they get better, but we crawled out of the swamps there's really no reason we can't crawl out of this.
"saying the Earth will balance out the human population
by disease, storms, etc. is nothing more than wishful thinking"
Your right storms, disease (?better chance), or any current natural phenomena will do little. But as you later stated "it is our job" is more my philosophy it all depend on whom you see as your employer? Mindless job or mother earth...she shows us the indicators on what we need to do to continue, if we don't listen and start doing her footwork we will pay the price.
I also have seen a blissfull white light coming from the mouth of infinity, its my training film, incentive package, and retirement benifits all rolled into one. She showed me this via her creations as a helpfull aid in doing the great work that needs to be done.......
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Re: overpopulation [Re: que]
#316418 - 05/13/01 05:19 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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So your saying you dont want to have children with me jenny?
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Chonger]
#316423 - 05/13/01 05:38 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey why dont you just call asia up on the phone and tell them to stop makking so many babies.
There are 3 types of people in this world: Those who can count, and those who can not.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: que]
#316442 - 05/13/01 06:21 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree que. We should definitely listen to the Earth
and know our place within nature.
When I see barren lands that have been clear-cut for profit, I hear the Earth say:
Curb your consumption, eliminate your systems of greed, stop exploiting
forests and waters and animals, and only breed
when
necessary. Just guard against the relaxed and apathetic stance of waiting for some big solution to come along - Everything will be okay because in the cosmic
scheme of things nothing really matters, blah blah blah & when things
get really bad, the Great Mother Earth Spirit will come along and straighten everything out
so dont worry bout nothing cept rubbing these crystals I bought at the New Age store, blah blah blah. I hear this alot within some spirtual circles. I believe this attitude is incredibly lazy, diluted, removed, and detrimental to the great "Gaia" so many pay lipservice to. That's all I'm saying. Our personal actions are vastly significant. Edited by Agent Cooper on 05/13/01 08:38 PM.
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"Our personal actions are vastly significant."
True very true.
The cross-road is drawing near...
Will our race chose the right course?...
I honestly have no idea...
Looks to me like a few of you have a little bit of a "God" complex, you mean to tell me that this mostly benevolent being we all live on dosin't hold all of our fates in her hands?.
All it would take to destroy 90%+ of the world's population, would be a massive volcanic eruption, one that would/could be able to blow enough ash into the earth's atmosphere so as to block out any sun light for 3+ years. Not to mention a number of other things that could devastate the human population.
" i'm disgusted of our race i hope we all die soon!!!!!!!!!. ".
Don't let it get to you Jenny, there's too much beauty in the world to let frustration and anger get the best of ya. and if you don't like what's goin on in the world, do somthin about it. We ain't on a one way street ya know, things can change. If we can all somehow tame our egos and learn to live in harmony with each other, and with all the other wonderful life on this earth, even the Mosquitos =) then and only then will we be ready, or close anywayz to transcending to a higher level of being.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#316594 - 05/13/01 10:29 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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The natural order of the universe is entropy.
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#316596 - 05/13/01 10:33 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I say all of the inconsiderate self conserned bastards in this world (almost everyone) should stick their mouth around the exaust pipe of their car and inhale deeply. That way the bastards can stop using up all of the earths prescious rescources and hey it might just cut down on car emission pollution 
I think I am going to dedicate my life to funding abortion clinics and China and India civil wars. Lets all burn civilization down to the ground so that mother nature can reclaim what is rightfully hers, death to all the shaved apes![exclamation]
I can see a world where this is no poverty and no war, I can also see us attacking that world because they would never expect it. 
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I think we need a MAJOR world war. Unfortunately, that would probably involve nuclear weapons which would be nice for population control, but not so nice on the eco-system. Out of war comes new technology, etc. Its not all bad.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#316651 - 05/14/01 01:03 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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We should just nuke the nigger continents now.
it's not the final solution, it's the only solution.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#316660 - 05/14/01 01:31 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think that mankind is for the most part just begging for a real ass kicking, by forces far greater than our own. And to think that there arent any greater forces than us is just plain foolish ignorance.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Kid]
#316685 - 05/14/01 02:42 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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A prime example of how nature corrects itself....give these idiots all a chainsaw to deforest and watch the fun! In no time you will have piles of idiot body parts only....a step in the right direction. A few soon to be dead via racial slurs anyway....I'll take that, the kid will never see 21 I give it 10/1 odds.
Agent Cooper-I see materialism and spiritualism as opposite swings of the pendualum. As the material (greed/consumer) grows the spiritual dies. To take a mechanical view of only correcting the flaw of over-consumption is not possible without replenishing the spiritualism it has destroyed and/or ignored. New age bozo's kinda screwed themselves real fast on that one wrapping spiritualism for profit in the same package,'wana buy a chakra alignment we'll throw in a doggie bag of crystals' and of course the great christianity buy your way to salvation joke.Not to single anyone out lets not forget the capitolistic hippi-nazi power mad perverts with the enviremental pitch that get hoards of llittle 'hippy chicks' begging for money door to door when all they are doing is putting a half million in the scum fuck that runs the place pocket every year.The numbers are stagerring in the paific northwest The $$ goes to 'clean water causes' 'enviromental causes' 'saving the rainforrest' not my crack habit, but when you can't pay your rent on my measly salary i'm paying you i'll help pay your rent, because I care....providing your sucking my dick!Capitalism is a nice blend of nievity,insecurity ,exploited natural desire and basic needs, such as you need clean water and envirement to survive. Not to say that this part of our country is not the most productive in actually working on these issues, thats just what makes it a good breeding ground for such things.
This country was inhabited over 10,000 yrs. ago by its natives now call me crazy but the 200+ yrs. whitey has been here spiritualism is nearly non-existant and we are smothering in our own filth .Destroying the continent,spreading our infectious destuction to all ends of the globe then focusing on asia and india cuz they have to many people? thats some pretty quick work, we are freakin' morons to do this and think we are the brightest bulbs on the block, I really don't see us continueing for 10,000 more years as did the previous residents of our present location. With the exception of heavy on the spiritualism/light on the materialism which worked well. I've seen items over 9,000 year old from nevada that look identical to what we see as traditional indian garb, they were very smart cookies, knew their shit well and carried much tradition unchanged; clothes and various parephenailia of life into equivelent of us running our culture to the year 12,001, yea right like we have a chance in hell of that or even have any real 'culure' at all for that matter. We are a hodge-podge of oppertunistic global mutts.
The more probable scenario is something closer to begging on our hands and knee's to the angry native spirits what we can do to appease them for forgiveness.
Sound extreme? Its already happnin', why do you think we are here? For the knowledge of Mescalito, Ayahuasca, and Sacred fungi for access to the Gods forgotten that are so much a vital part and necessity for our survival.
'As is above, so is below' I take this quite litterally...above we have 10,000yrs. of native spiritual home firmly in place, below we have a bunch of white rats scurrying about not knowing much about much, this whole board is great proof of that. They are here for reasons they do not have a clue about. Self correcting hell yes! nobody can say nuke the nigger and live, they will die at the hands of blacks guarenteed! Others will learn as they grow. Probably a few columbine shoot 'um up outcast to rock the boat and turn some heads IMO you can thank the angry indian spirits for this,we have a major discourse and imbalance simple as that and a big pat on the back to the spirits WE NEED MORE SCHOOL SHOOTINGS!! They have "wake up dumb asses!' written all over them and they need to be white kids, gangland shootings are not even noticed...Did you hear today that the equal number of blacks where shot as were in columbine ? hell no but it happens every day of the week, not to mention that number again that had trees thrown in front of their cars, by who? yup, you guessed right..native spirits..so come on kids if your school days are not over bring your guns!! if they are get a 12 pack and go drive around...really fast cuz thats coool!! and eat abunch of shrooms' dude trees wizzing by at speeds topping 100 mph is the freakin' best!! thats what a prankster native spirit told me anyway?'cmon trust him, "um er yea we can um trust him" the sared/profane smear of death on the highway.....YEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh wait i've been known to work with kids perhaps I should retract.... naaaaahhhhhhh
Edited by que on 05/14/01 12:26 PM.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Kid]
#316916 - 05/14/01 12:51 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kid to think you are somehow better than someone else is to not think at all.
Drunkgoat why do you think asia should stop making so many babies? Why is it you think that they are making more than anyone else?
For overpopulation im sure there are many solutions but whos to decide which will work? When the population becomes so large the greed and hate will grow stronger, and so will the people against that. Oh what to do?
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Re: overpopulation [Re: que]
#317302 - 05/14/01 06:39 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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> the kid will never see 21 I give it 10/1 odds.
I'd better die real soon then... eh, and if I do I guess I'll just be eliminating the overpopulation problem.
I'm too selfish to care about that though.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Droz]
#317306 - 05/14/01 06:41 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I didn't say I was better than anyone, I'm just selfish.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Kid]
#317507 - 05/14/01 10:45 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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The government has been trying different forms of population control. The HIV virus is one of them. The population has to eventually stop growing. I am sure that something terrible will happen and most of population will die out.
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It's simple. Most of the population will die off when whatever paticular government that provides for them falls. Look at North America for example. So many people. What would happen if we suddenly had no power, gasoline, or running water. If the stores and national guard can't ship or provide food. People who don't know how to survive will die fairly fast. I live in the desert. There are two huge citys here with millions of people spread out between them. Without modern conveniences most of those people would fry in just a few months. The same goes for extreme northern climates. With no heat, they will die the first winter. That is what will slow down the population growth. It will happen soon, maybe not in our lifetime, but soon. It allways happens.
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What it comes down to is we need to kill all of China and India and other people mongers. Why, because we can, strongest survive and we are the strongest fuck ethics this is about the existence of the human race
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#317547 - 05/14/01 11:16 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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War is actually not a good way to reduce populations.
Those who die in war are usually male, which does not limit the amount of procreating that would repopulate the world once the war stopped. If females went to war instead, that would make a bit of a difference. But not that much. I assume you've heard of the "baby boomer" generation? So named because of the boom in population with the end of WWII. If a war eliminated a more substantial amount of the population, I'm sure we'd recover nicely with lots and lots of procreation.
Space is not a viable means either. Take your population "doubling time". Let's give it 40 years, which I believe is higher than the current number. Say you take half of your population and put it on a new planet. So now we would put 3 billion people on Mars. 40 years later, we're back at 6 billion on Earth, and also 6 billion on Mars. So we have to populate two more planets now. 40 years after that, it's up to 4 more planets. And so on. Exponential number of planets we would need to populate every 40 years. Unless, of course, we could achieve Zero Population Growth. But....if we're going to do that, why don't we just do that in the first place and not bother with the other planets?
Zero Population Growth.....a reasonable goal? Maybe.
Many countries in Western Europe have actually already achieved that. The United States has not, but does have a rather low birthrate. Population growth gets higher (as a general rule), the poorer you get. It's worst in places like Africa, Bangladesh, India, etc.
The bad news is that Western efforts to spread birth control practices often interfere with local culture beliefs and traditions. It's a hard case to decide....are we just being ethnocentric?
I personally don't understand the thought process behind "kill people to control population". Why do you want to control population? To increase quality of life, right? To keep people from suffering, right? Well, that's not achieved (if you ask me) by violence or disease. AIDS may well take care of population concerns in Sub-Sarahan Africa, but not in a good way. The quality of life of those left will not improve. I don't think anybody wins in that situation. Except drug companies. Sigh.
Population control is rather about reducing the number of babies we try to make. Condoms, pills, vasectomies, etc, etc. Eventually many countries may have to adopt China's policies towards family planning, unfortunately. It would be better if we could exercise some self control and do it ourselves. But perhaps I'm too idealist.
As for myself, I plan to have one child. Maybe two, but no more. Couldn't stand to be part of the problem.
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have no kids...even better :). but uhh i think its naive to think nature wont correct this real soon. look at how long it has took us to work on the HIV virus... i know i know its a conspiracy;)....but from a medical standpoint if HIV was transmitted like the flu virus things would be looking mighty depopulated by now. we cannot assume that technology will save our asses. mankind will more than likely survive, that is the beauty of genetic diversity. as we move into enviroments that have been taboo or unliveabale until now new diseases will show up.(artic and jungle regions). the very ease we traverse the globe will make the black plague seen rather mundane to the rotting flesh a modern plague would produce.
on top of natures normal species control mechanisms
we have...meteorites, atomics, biological and chemical wepon proliferation. my personal conclusion is alot of people are going to die at once.
what should we be doing? its obvious mankind is currently too blind to stop itself. we should vigorously create seed and genetic banks of any and all species we can...and the means to resurect them...even if the survivors(human) are quite uneducated in such matters. a kind of automatic noahs ark if it were. for saving as much genetic diversity is key to saving life on earth.
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Yes, theres much beauty in the world, but there was much more before our race came along, the earth started approx. 4.5 billion years ago, life started forming about 3.9 billion years ago, but the primates have been around for a mere, 10,000 i think. which isn't very long looking at dinosaurs, etc. The species that are still around, how did they survive? most of them ocean creatures that haven't depleted most of the worlds naturual resources, but also haven't brought about technology, or cured diseases, etc. but theyve still survived.
Theres no doubt our race will end, and no, i don't think overpopulation will end our race, but if something else doesn't or we don't migrate to other planets, theres no doubt it will.
The other thing is, asia has been around a lot longer than the US, so that doesn't give us a right to say, "lets kill asia" because not only is china taking action to control their population, but the US isn't doing shit, and because of our strong economy we have few poor people therefore a low birthrate, but we're still reproducing like no other.
It is a world problem, and its obviously in everyones hands to preserve our natural resources, but i have to faith in our race to accomplish that.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
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primates (including li'l fellas like lemurs & tarsiers) a few tens of millions of years... human/chimpanzee divergence prolly more than 5 but less than 10 million years ago(chimps & humans: 22 vs 23 chromosome pairs)... genus Homo maybe 3 mil... (that include lucy, huzz, and alley-oop...) first cities/writing/agriculture/government maybe 10,000 years ago or so...
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"food supplies increase arithmetically; populations increase geometrically" (malthus)
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Re: overpopulation [Re: gnrm23]
#317940 - 05/15/01 02:52 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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On the one hand, it seems fairly obvious that the world is becoming dangerously low on resources, but on the other, I sometimes beleive science might come up with ways to make it less of an issue, or to even reverse the effects of pollution and restore the plannet to good health.
I hope this happens, but I doubt it.
Its all an issue of energy.
Man/human race has become obsessed with material possesions for some time now, and its escalating beyond beleif. All of these material possesions are becoming more popular, affordable and almost essential, but at the cost of the world's natural resources. Not only do these commodities require natural resources to be produced, but also to be maintained and run efficiently, ie electricity, gas, chemicals.
We're wasting the worlds energy on pleasure without realising the long term effects it will inevitably have.
Sooner or later, mankind will have to devolve to a more primative lifestyle, i only hope I'm still around to say I told you so. I'd sure like to see the expression on Bill gate's face when he realises his fortune doesn't mean shit because the economy has collapsed. I'd like to see him planting seeds for food, and gathering wood in the forrest to keep him warm.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Chonger]
#318019 - 05/15/01 04:47 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Go here:
http://www.familyplanet.org
These people seem to favor a relatively humane means of reducing Earth's population (for those of you who care about being humane). For my own part, I'd just as soon nuke 'em til they glow and then strafe 'em in the dark, but for ettiquette's sake I'm willing to watch the Bleeding Hearts and Artists try thier "peaceful" solutions first. Hell, I might even kick a $20 thier way every now and then just for laughs.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#318138 - 05/15/01 07:10 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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The world is becoming over-populated. It's because we won't let nature take its course.
If a person gets pneumonia.. and only survives because of antibiotics, nature is being disturbed.
When a baby is born with a hole in its heart.. and doctors patch it, nature is being disturbed.
When McVay bombed Oklahoma.. he was doing what nature had programmed him to do. We put him in jail though, stopping him from continuing his job.
Other animals on this earth don't have medicines, antibiotics, and other things to "artificially" save them.
They live by "Survival of the fittest", while we live by "Help the weak get stronger"
Though... I'm sure some people will disagree with the following statements. Perhaps because of a related incident in the past? Perhaps your to afraid to die or loose someone?
I would have died from pneumonia when I was 12 if it weren't for antibiotics. My entire left lung was filled with mucus. My right lung was just starting to fill. Walking up stairs left me breathless.
I lived (seriously)! But nature didn't kill me. I am a part of over-population now I suppose because I didn't die.
I wonder if nature will start trying to kill me different ways now because I should have died? Kind of like on Final Destination.
Hmm. Time for class it seems.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Kevin]
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yep, I've also thought about that too IES.
I think your jumping in the deep end though, because, say you had like a certain condition, thousands of years ago, they knew how to cure it with plants and other such natural things.
You say the oklahoma bomber was programmed to do what he did, i agree, but I also think people were programmed in the same way to come up with cures for diseases in the same way, its all just inevitable in any case.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#318401 - 05/16/01 05:25 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah I think we should kill of peope with low IQ's and the mentaly dissabled. wouldn't the world be a better place?
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#320598 - 05/18/01 11:37 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why do you think we have Aids, World Wars, and cigarettes?
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#320600 - 05/18/01 11:39 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh, and don't be suprised if in a few years, 70% of the population is just wiped off the Earth.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: ]
#320814 - 05/19/01 10:21 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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If the united states and canada keep doing what they are doing by polluting the air like they are, in about 10-15 years all the prairies will be deserts, the ice caps will melt alot more, and floods, hurricanes, tornadoes and ice storms will increase even more. (They have seriously increased in numbers over the past decade) The thing is that North-America is not taking any mesures to protect the environment like other countries elsewhere and this will lead to population losses. Many people aren't going to make it because you can't stop a flood, a hurricane or a tornado.
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What it comes down to is we need to kill all of China and India and other people mongers. Why, because we can, strongest survive and we are the strongest fuck ethics this is about the existence of the human race
If it's genocide you want, how about killing the (by far) #1 resource-consuming nation on the planet? This would do a lot more to reduce the -effects- of overpopulation than exterminating a country with more people but much lower consumption. So all Americans must die, it's the logical choice.
Hmmm, harder to take such a coldly objective view now, isn't it?
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#325723 - 05/24/01 11:57 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is really directed to no one....
I don't think the world is "over" populated, and I don't think it will be in the near future. A larger population than previous times isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's actually a function of several very good things.
Food supply has risen faster then the population has. Any famine in the 20th century is the direct result of poor politics, or war. George Revelle, of Harvard University, estimated that Africa, Latin America, and Asia alone, could support 35 to 40 billion people with better water usage.
Women are not having more children. Quite the opposite, in the last one hundred years the size of the average family has dramatically decreased. Governments cannot have the ability to legislate reproduction! Travesties will ensue. I've noticed a few of the same people that say: "the government has no right to tell a woman what they can do to their body.", think the government should basically have control over the entire reproductive process. See the flaw?
We aren't running out of natural resources. If we were the prices would be skyrocketing. Prices of oil are going up due to, again, poor economic practices. There really are no natural resources anyway, there are materials that humans turn into resources. Whales were on the cusp of extinction in the 1850's because their oils were used for heating, lighting, and lubrication of machine parts. (Whaling still occurs, threatning them, but not to the extent.) Then, someone found that you could make kerosene from this black shit that farmers had to pay to get hauled off their land. I have no doubt in my mind some innovation will replace oil. An example (not how oil will be replaced) would be the fiber-optics your internet is probably coming through, and the silicon parts in your computer. Made from sand. Us awful, ignorant human beings are pretty amazing when you think about it. Things have way of evening themselves out. Sure we need to innovate and conserve. We are, and will.
Look at this way: Would you rather expect to die at 45, and have most of the people around you die at high rates? Would you rather have to spend the majority of your day working just to eat? Would you rather have no leisure time to think of? No time to enlighten yourself? I mean, the alternative to our lifestyle now, isn't the best. All this gloom and doom shit is depressing! I mean, "voluntary human extinction"? Shit. They're buyin into the media hype, WAY too much.
You can say Indian's were enlightened, but they were tied to their religions. They had to pray to bears and trees to do pretty much anything in they're daily life. I'm pretty glad I don't have to do that, aren't you? Actually, in most religious circles, they are noticing a great spiritual awakening in the country.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: MOoKie]
#326019 - 05/26/01 02:19 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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they say the ice age started because there was a world wide flood. when the carbon dioxide created by volcanos depleted the ozones, the polar ice caps melted, just like they are melting now. they flooded the earth, and then when it was covered in water, it reflected so much of the sun's heat away from the earth that it all froze solid. gradually, the carbon dioxide continued to build, and the ozone continued to deplete, until there was enough heat getting through to melt the ice again.
ice age coming. bring a jacket.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Xibalba]
#327494 - 05/27/01 11:36 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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mook-Would you rather have to spend the majority of your day working just to eat?
It has been estimated the amount of time one needs for survival with 0 technology....so what ya' think? more than 8 hours? nope.....3.5 hours to cover your basic needs in a primitive settling....more or less depending on where you are......technology was to simplify life and reduce human labor need but has done quite the opposite.....
So do I think I can just turn the other cheek and not own a car, not own a house, live off the land?
yup....i pretty much do....i own no car, have next to no bills, buy only bare essentials and pay just over $100 rent/mo. and have money in the bank for emergencies, working perhaps 10-25 hrs. a month...so am i just lazy? naaa lazy people do not bike 1-200 miles a week, fish, camp ect. all destination reached with no petrol.....
Oh yea i quite agree we have a lot of genius ideas they are just quickly exploited for maximum cash with little concern for anything else. I also agree this world could be eficciantly run with 10 times the population....like I have mentioned before 90% of this countries ppl live on 10% of the land. Take a few coast to coast drives zig-zag you will see how few people we have, overpopulation is an illusion due to technology, we instantly know what is happening in all the populated areas and there seem to be lot of problems and people stacked on top of eachother. Many millions of ppl in this country are in constant transit flying/driving creating this rat-race illusion...bring on the plains cam 1 person per land area of 1 large city in many places, the desert cam same thing, mountain cam, swamp cam, wilderness cam it would all make for some pretty boring viewing since no ppl are there..so we pay no attention to all but 10% of our land mass
..next to zero population in any direction when you drive 500 miles. Technology could support living in many of these area's without depleteing resources, we are just not done with the gluttony cycle we are currently in, but sometime we will be one way or another...do it the easy/intelligent way or the hard/stupid/greedy way I don't care (although observing selfdestruction is irritating and sad) I have all the faith in the world it will work out fine....of course if there is no world there goes my faith...hehehe
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Re: overpopulation [Re: que]
#327633 - 05/28/01 03:41 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey que, you dont send little packages through the mail do you? (sorry i dont know how to do those little reassuring smily faces)
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 Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#327795 - 05/28/01 11:55 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Woman, what a misanthropist you are!!!
So, let me give you a hint: since you hate yourself and your race so much and are so conscient of how sick this goes, why don?t you preach by example and show a bit of needed altruism by giving the first step? ;)
No kidding, I think it would be worthless.
After reading what you said I arrive upon the conclussion that yours is a easy philosophy, underneath quite unconscient and ignorant. Have you really watched around you to make such predicament? I think not. You are probably missing the real problem.
Before thinking about overpopulation, I believe it?s iumportant not to miss the prior step, proper distribution. ?Till the moment there is enough room, air and food for all of us, shamefully in the hands of some, creating that way that terribly sad and absurd void in the lifes of so many, many millions of human beings, so many of whom won?t even have the opportunity to make a mistake or hurt someone else. Just victims of the wars that should concern you the most, those with weapons and without that your country (guess you are from the US) creates and holds, just for the sake of power, economy and market.
I think it would be more helpful and positive thinking how you could save people instead of desiring their death, at least that of the inocent ones.
About your commentary over the mormons: what can I say?! Sorry for you, but it really sounds fascist and therefore stupid. That makes me think about the hipocresy you preach, and how it links together: stupid, who? Please, think about it.
Please, think a bit before throwing crap around you in a vain try to relieve frustration. You probably hide (though in this case seems as if you really must dig) a beautiful being whith a great potential to help building up some values with which to get a future, ?cause as long as people think like you, your hopes will come true.
So, get real and consequent, will you?
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Oh well!
I just came back and read what I wrote and the whole thread.
Sorry to everyone for jumping in like that not following the track. I was pissed and as I sat in front of the computer I saw Jenny?s message and I went straight to the answer not paying attention to your contributions.
By the way, there seem to be great people with great minds in this comunity. Not everyone, unfortunately, but enough to make me feel I found a place where a lot can be learnt and shared.
Que, I admire your capacity to co-live in this society in such a healthy (and so needed way), keeping yourself from being suck into the main stream of degradation. Keep on ruling your way, man!
And last, Jenny, sorry for being so critical and questioning so roughly your moral cathegory. I guess everyone has rage outbursts once in a while and in a place so unkind like this, our "home" (though I don?t feel in home :( )it should be better tolerated. Still, I think you really must reflexionate over your commentary on the Mormons...
I am also with the theory on mistake acumulation ?till it all gets too fucked, and then we shall start over again -only a few- with a hard lesson behind that will prevent us from being so fool and that will teach us to appreciate what we have got.
Or so I hope, ?cause though we can barely appreciate how unfair everything is (too unfair to have faith or believe in anything for many, at this point), not having a second chance would just be too much, too much to be real, don?t you think???
In any case, being defeatist leads us nowhere, and all we have left is hope, a probability (no matter how small), a little still of common sense and great potential to be reconducted.
I always loved the popular saying that "good things lead to better things as bad things lead to worse things".
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pilgrim-thanx for the kind words....i have been sucked in but just seem to upset the tummy of the beast and in no time purged from systems i do not hold as sacred...HOLY MONEY you got to be kidding.....it quickly turns into a push for six digit income (which i've hit) and never satisfied....perhaps some that are not the extremist i am can make it work....for me it back-fires resulting in the opposite of initial goal...(the image of) failure...don't be this person
I, I've been lonely
And I, I've been blind
And I,. I've learned nothing
So my hands are firmly tied
To the sinking leadweight
of failure
I've worked hard all my life
Money slips through my hands
My face in the mirror tells me
It's no surprise that I'm
Pushing the stone up the hill
of failure
They tempt me with violence
They punish me with ideals
And they crush me with an image of my
life that's nothing but unreal
Except on the goddamned slaveship
of failure
I'll drown here trying
to get up for some air
But each time I think I breathe
I'm laid on with a double share
of the punishing burden
of failure
I don't deserve to be down here
But I'll never leave
And I've learned one thing
You can't escape the beast
In the null and void pit
of failure
When I get my hands on some money
I'll kiss it's green skin
And I'll ask it's dirty face
"Where the hell have you been?"
"I am the fuel that fires the engine
of failure."
I'll be old and broken down
I'll forget who and where I am
I'll be senile or forgotten
But I'll remember and understand
You can bank your hard-earned money
on failure
I saw my father crying
I saw my mother break her hand
On a wall that wouldn't weep
But that certainly held in
The mechanical moans of a dying man
Who was a failure
My back hurts me when I bend
Because I carry a load
My brain hurts me like a knife-hole
Because I've yet to be shown
How to pull myself out from
The sucking quicksand
of failure
Some people live in hell
Many bastards succeed
But I. I've learned nothing
I can't even elegantly bleed
Out the poison blood
of failure
I don't mean this in a mope depressing sense its just when all that you have is never enough you always want more, if your satisfied with what you have you appriciate ALL things more.....
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Re: overpopulation [Re: missulena]
#328051 - 05/28/01 05:03 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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misulena-"hey que, you dont send little packages through the mail do you?"
ABSOLUTLEY!!!! Whats mine is yours,but you must understand my minimalism leaves this as no great offer....and since i do no drugs here are your choices....
1. shiney bits of tinfoil
2. little bits of string and lint
3. clothes from the goodwill(postage will exceed cost)
4.various photos of roadkill and of wildflowers also internal organs from when i worked for organ transplant ward at hopital i would always bring my cam and snap a few inbetween point A and B....oh also my snake Spot (deceased :( ....moment of silence) or last but not least me ;)
5. i suppose some dirty green paper with dead presidents if your intrested in something silly....
sorry i dont do drugs so the above are your options of my lifes accumulations (post discard) anything you see that you like dont hesitate to ask i'll even do express mail!!!
(p.s. if you think i'm kidding just try me, and if you seem special i'll bump up the lint offer to more personal navel lint and if you ask for $$ i get to throw in any above of my choice)
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Re: overpopulation [Re: que]
#330360 - 05/31/01 03:00 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I meant you live similar to theodore kacynski the unabomber who lived in an isolated shack and was against technology and mailed bombs to people who were for technology i know your not totally against technology but it was just a joke,.I used to keep snakes too, now i just keep megalomorph spiders such as the worlds most deadly arachnid Missulena occatoria its even more deadly than sydney funnel webs and way more deadly than any other spider on the planet.
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Re: overpopulation [Re: Jenny]
#330459 - 05/31/01 06:45 AM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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"When all the world is overcharged with inhabitants, then the last remedy of all is war..."
THOMAS HOBBES,
Leviathan, II, 30
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Re: overpopulation [Re: missulena]
#342152 - 06/16/01 11:43 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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missulena....sorry i missed the analogy....but its quite funny that it was due to my paranoia(unabomber,unabomer)..."what are you on can i have some?" <~i get that a lot...huh go figure.....
Then my list of possesions further make your comparison kinda funny....but actually i travel a lot...try to catch the taste of change perhaps in yor city in the last several weeks covered many....considering your spidey's your probably an aussie though which is cool, some very cool ppls i've met from there hope to extend travels to that area some day....
Peace & Out
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