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The Bush Betrayal
    #3151231 - 09/18/04 04:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin196.htm
The Bush Betrayal

Chuck Baldwin | September 10 2004

In a recent article, former Georgia Republican Congressman, Bob Barr, wrote, "Has America been betrayed by President George W. Bush? In his most recent book, The Bush Betrayal, James Bovard poses and then answers this question with a resounding 'yes.'"

In his column, Barr also correctly writes, "[W]hich recent president's term in office was characterized by support for the so-called assault weapon ban, a huge increase in deficit spending, bigger budgets for virtually every domestic program, including Americorps and the National Endowment for the Arts, and signing into law a massive increase in federal government regulation of political speech, whose administration would you suspect they were describing? That of Democrat Bill Clinton? Nope. [We're] talking about the first term of Republican President George W. Bush."

Mr. Barr is absolutely right! When it comes to Bush's first term in office, never has so much been overlooked by so many!

Millions of Christians and conservatives continue to labor under the obviously erroneous belief that G.W. Bush is a conservative, that there is some huge difference between his policies and those of his Democratic rival, John Kerry. However, the facts do not bear this out.

As Bob Barr also wrote in his column, "The fact is, the records of these two presidents, Democrat Bill Clinton and Republican George W. Bush, are much more alike than either man would likely feel comfortable admitting." Again, Mr. Barr is 100% accurate.

On most matters of substance, there is hardly any difference in the policies of President G.W. Bush and Bill Clinton or John Kerry. Consider:

*Both Bush and Kerry support "civil unions" for homosexuals.

*Both Bush and Kerry support extending the Clinton Gun Ban.

*Both Bush and Kerry support expanding the size and scope of the federal government. Bush has actually outspent every Democratic president since Lyndon Johnson.

*Both Bush and Kerry support NAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and the FTAA.

*Neither Bush nor Kerry has any intentions of making abortion-on-demand illegal.

And while we are on the subject of abortion, President G.W. Bush signed legislation in 2002 that increased funding for International Family Planning to the tune of $480.5 million making this Republican-led administration the biggest supporter of international baby butchery in U.S. history. That is not to mention the millions of dollars that Bush has approved for America's largest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood.

Recently, many "pro-lifers" heaped voluminous praise upon Mr. Bush when he decided to withhold a miniscule (by comparison) $34 million in federal funds from UNFPA (a UN abortion agency in China). What these ignorant (or deluded) "pro-lifers" failed to notice was that Bush redirected that $34 million to USAID Child Survival Health Program Fund. This fund includes money for "forecasting, purchasing, and supplying contraceptive commodities and other materials necessary for reproductive health programs."

In other words, all President Bush did was play the old shell game by taking $34 million from one pro-abortion agency and giving it to another pro-abortion agency. As American Life League President Judy Brown said, "These 'contraceptive commodities' are nothing but abortion-inducing chemicals that kill the very children that the fund claims to help."

*Both Bush and Kerry supported the removal of Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore for upholding his oath of office to acknowledge God by resisting an unlawful order by federal judge Myron Thompson to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama Judicial Building in Montgomery.

*Both Bush and Kerry are strong supporters of the United Nations.

In fact, when President G.W. Bush addressed the UN last year, he said the reason he ordered U.S. troops to invade Iraq was for the purpose of supporting "the peace and credibility of the United Nations."

*Both Bush and Kerry support granting illegal aliens amnesty.

*Both Bush and Kerry support a "one China" policy.

*Both Bush and Kerry support "outsourcing" American jobs overseas.

*Both Bush and Kerry support the creation of a federal police state with the creation and expansion of the Patriot Acts and the Department of Homeland Security.

The list could go on almost without end.

James Bovard and Bob Barr are correct: America has been betrayed by President George W. Bush! Mr. Bush has proved himself unfaithful to virtually every precept of conservative, constitutional principles. As such, a John Kerry presidency would be no worse. In fact, it might even be better as conservatives would suddenly have their blinders removed and might actually start acting like conservatives again.

Of course, the best alternative would be to elect a true constitutional conservative as President. And the only such candidate for this year's election who meets that criteria is Michael Peroutka of the Constitution Party. It is for the above reasons and more that I was happy to accept Michael's invitation to be his Vice Presidential running mate.

If you choose to vote for G.W. Bush, go ahead, but please don't delude yourself into thinking that by doing so you are voting for something dramatically different from that of the Democratic candidate, because you aren't. You are merely voting to continue the failed and fallacious policies of the liberal establishment which controls both major parties.


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: ekomstop]
    #3151236 - 09/18/04 04:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Er, the gun ban that they were supporting uh, died.


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: ekomstop]
    #3151281 - 09/18/04 05:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Great article though you're, for the most part, preaching to the choir here. Michael Peroutka, however, is NOT a valid choice for any rational person this November. While he would be a true(sort of...) fiscal conservative where Bush is not, he would also take the social conservatism which has become a much maligned trait of the Bush regime to a new and borderline theocratic level. The Constitution Party would have this country be the Christian equivalent of [insert any Muslim country here]. Anyone looking for liberty in all areas of life, economic and social, should be voting Libertarian.


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: retread]
    #3151289 - 09/18/04 05:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Er, the gun ban that they were supporting uh, died.




yeah..i guess this must be somewhat outdated in political terms. the article is about a week old after all



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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: ekomstop]
    #3151389 - 09/18/04 05:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Great article.

This has been the point many of us have been rasing, that Bush is no conservative at all, but hey, you have to convince the Christian right out there that he isn't.


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: Skikid16]
    #3151410 - 09/18/04 05:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Labels are wonderful things, simpletons will often ingore facts as long as they can agree with the label (what the label is supposed to represent).


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: Evolving]
    #3151425 - 09/18/04 05:46 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

especially when he can hide behind the guise of the war on terror, and his born again christianity.......


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: ekomstop]
    #3151654 - 09/18/04 07:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

But wait, I thought he was a far-right fascist? How could it be?


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3151721 - 09/18/04 08:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Divided_Sky said:
But wait, I thought he was a far-right fascist? How could it be?



The sooner you recognize the fallacies of the traditional left-right spectrum the better. George W. Bush does not fit on it. That flawed system designates the left as the side that wants government to legislate the shit out of the economy and the right as the side that wants government to legislate the shit out of morality. Our esteemed President wants government to legislate the shit out of the economy AND government to legislate the shit out of morality. Let's do a little experiment here. I'm going to play the role of Mr. Bush and take the World's Smallest Political Quiz -- a widely reguarded tool for accurately assessing the political leanings of an individual:

(Choose A if you agree, M for Maybe, D if you disagree.)

Personal Issues
  • Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet M
  • Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft M
  • There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults M
  • Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs D
  • There should be no National ID card M


Economic Issues
  • End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business D
  • End government barriers to international free trade D
  • Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security D
  • Replace government welfare with private charity D
  • Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more D


According to your answers, your political philosophy is: statist(authoritarian)

Statist
Statists want government to have a great deal of control over individuals and society. They support centralized planning, and often doubt whether liberty and freedom of choice are practical options. At the very bottom of the chart, left-authoritarians are usually called socialists, while right-authoritarians are generally called fascists.


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: ekomstop]
    #3151852 - 09/18/04 08:55 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I agree that Bush is not a true conservative. I think he is a centrist with conservative economic, social and foreign policy, but more liberal attitudes towards government spending, health care and education. He is not an authoritarian; his policies towards taxes, charter schools, private property, guns, religous charities, social security and government regulation of business show otherwise.
I think you got a few of the economic issues wrong for Bush: he does support privatizing Social Security and replacing government welfare with private charity. On taxes I think the issue is represented in the extreme, 50% tax cuts are unrealistic from nearly any point of view, and government spending should be a seperate issue. I think if the question was posed correctly Bush would be an A, but since spending and tax cuts are linked here, and that he would have to support the biggest tax cut in the history of the Western World he is a D. Because he supports a fair amount of tax cuts I would give him an M.

What you really have then is 2 As, 2Ms (trade, taxes)and a D. That makes Bush a CENTRIST.

'Centrists favor selective government intervention and emphasize what they commonly describe as "practical solutions" to current problems. They tend to keep an open mind on political issues. Many centrists feel that government serves as a check on excessive liberty.'


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: ekomstop]
    #3151923 - 09/18/04 09:18 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't realize Bovard had a new book out...

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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3151969 - 09/18/04 09:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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He is not an authoritarian; his policies towards taxes, charter schools, private property, guns, religous charities, social security and government regulation of business show otherwise.




There are degrees of authoritarianism. Because Saddam Hussein was not as bad or as much of an authoritarian as Hitler does not negate his authoritarian status.

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think you got a few of the economic issues wrong for Bush: he does support privatizing Social Security



So he says. He took no initiative on the subject during his first term so I'm supposed to believe what he says he'll do during his second term at face value. Y'know, he also said the United States was going to have a more humble foreign policy.

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and replacing government welfare with private charity.



Is that a fact? From what I've read, and I'll readily admit I haven't done much research on this particular subject, he just wants to throw money at private charity in addition to maintaining current welfare levels. Where's the Bush Welfare Reform bill?

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On taxes I think the issue is represented in the extreme, 50% tax cuts are unrealistic from nearly any point of view



50% tax cuts -- and therefore a 50% reduction in the size and scope of government -- would STILL not have the US government recede to its constitutional boundaries. Just because you have apparently been conditioned to view the Constitution as a living, breathing joke of a document does not mean it is.
  • A true conservative would respect the constitution.
  • Bush wipes the shit stuck to his boots on the Constitution after a hard day on the ranch.
  • Ergo, Bush is not a Conservative.


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and government spending should be a seperate issue.



I disagree. They go hand in hand. If George Bush were to eliminate the income tax tommorow, not replace it with an alternative, and maintain government spending, the Federal Reserve would have to print an insane amount of money(yes more insane than the amount of money it currently prints, if you can believe that) in order to keep up. The rampant inflation that would occur would essentially be a tax on every dollar in circulation and would devistatingly reduce the spending power of the average American.

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I think if the question was posed correctly Bush would be an A



You mean if the question was posed they way you would have liked it.

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since spending and tax cuts are linked here, and that he would have to support the biggest tax cut in the history of the Western World he is a D



Glad we agree.

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Because he supports a fair amount of tax cuts I would give him an M.



The Bush Tax Cuts, all things considered, amount to a 1% tax cut phased in over 10 years -- if it lasts that long. The question asks if [Bush] supports cutting taxes by 50%. Do you honestly think it is truthful to say that Bush *might* support a 50% tax cut? Please do not deceive yourself.

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What you really have then is 2 As, 2Ms (trade, taxes)and a D. That makes Bush a CENTRIST.




I thought I was being generous as it is. Bush would have been a firmly entrenched statist if I were to answer each question specifically as it is written -- I instead altered them slightly. For instance, question 1: Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet. Bush disagrees with that blanket statement and as such he should have been given a D. I decided an M would be more appropriate regardless of how the statement was phrased because Bush does not [yet] support the government regulating some of those things. I'm willing to be even more generous and change the Ds to Ms on the free trade and social security issues. Unfortunately, your boy is still an authoritarian. The sooner you accept that, the better.


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3152003 - 09/18/04 09:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Unfortunately, your boy is still an authoritarian. The sooner you accept that, the better.



I think D_S's problem with this is that he agrees enough with Bush's policies that this would make him an authoritarian as well.


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: ekomstop]
    #3153708 - 09/19/04 09:54 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have a freind who actually consider's himself an authoritarian. It's pretty funny.

I have to ask, if Bush is an authoritarian WHO is a centrist? Ayn Rand?


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3153756 - 09/19/04 10:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I think John McCain would be a good example of a centrist.


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3153777 - 09/19/04 10:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I have a freind who actually consider's himself an authoritarian. It's pretty funny.




He must love the way things are going in this country.

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I have to ask, if Bush is an authoritarian WHO is a centrist?



Someone like Joe Lieberman?

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Ayn Rand?



Uh, what?


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: silversoul7]
    #3153805 - 09/19/04 10:14 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
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Unfortunately, your boy is still an authoritarian. The sooner you accept that, the better.



I think D_S's problem with this is that he agrees enough with Bush's policies that this would make him an authoritarian as well.




I've taken that test several times and I almost always come out dead center, sometimes a little to the right. I think once I crossed over onto the left side one point.


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Re: The Bush Betrayal [Re: silversoul7]
    #3153812 - 09/19/04 10:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I think John McCain would be a good example of a centrist.




McCain is very conservative on alot of issues and supports the 'neo-con' authoritarian foreign policy.


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