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 Pimpin The Sacred Spore 
#314857 - 05/11/01 01:41 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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With all these new spore venders poppin up up today, I just felt the need to ask this question,
(not from a legal standpoint, but of a moral one)
Why is it that 'Shroom dealers' are looked down upon in this community, but 'Spore dealers' are OK? I have heard certain 'Spore dealers' go on about "these mushrooms are SACRED, teachers, showers of the WAY, etc", but at the same time they are selling a sacrement. Is it OK to sell the spores, but look down upon selling the fruitbody? IS there a difference? Is one ok and the other bad? Please share some thoughts on this, I would like to hear other peoples opinions.
My personal opinion is that neither should be used for financial gain..... I beleive in the barter system ;-), I think that money isn't worth much more than asswipe.
Anyone else have opinions? I would especially like to hear the viewpoints of some 'venders' on this :)
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Anonymous]
#314869 - 05/11/01 01:51 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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that's a very good point. I think It's a good idea, the bartering system. one problem, though. the grocery store don't trade.
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Anonymous]
#314881 - 05/11/01 02:06 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well said pavlov's dog...i want to believe in the barter system as well, like the good indians, but then again....isnt mushrooms for money a barter as well??
Money represents something.......
I believe,that one wouldnt want to trade or sell his mushrooms, when he trully was aware,that he does not own them.....(as with anything else too). But.....we are speaking hypothetically, cos that would be the way of action,of a man who has altered his conciousness by him self,after learning how to do it by using sacret plants.Being aware of the holyness and wholeness of his actions.A more sensitive human,that us,that "runs his life" under ESP intentionally.
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Anonymous]
#314890 - 05/11/01 02:20 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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If someone is willing to cultivate from spores, there's some degree of commitment and responsibility they're accepting. Selling fruitbodies is more likely to put a very potent entheogen into the hands of someone who has no respect for it.
Also, from a more practical standpoint, if someone gets busted for selling it could come back to haunt to spore vendor.
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Anonymous]
#314909 - 05/11/01 02:38 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think you miss the point... If it wasn't for spore vendors like PF, we might not be here today.. Sure you can argue that eventually something like the FSR would have popped up and made getting prints easy BUT look at the paranoia with giving out addresses....
Spore vendors do a big service to this community, so many people are now exposed to mushrooms that otherwise couldn't have... Imagine how many more people cultivate at this point in time than say back in the mid 90's... Spore vendors are a HUGE part of that... Only recently has trading become popular, and even with trading you aren't introduced to new prints...
Spore vendors offer us new strains, they single out agressive strains, come up with new ideas, etc..... Any criticism you have against them making money is just being silly IMO... They do a lot of work and take some risks many of us would not consider, so instead of criticizing them we should thank them for what they do...
All the amazing work workman, Ryche, Psilocyber, etc. do for this community shouldn't be ignored because they are out to make a little money off of their hobby... Its a shame people think that profit is somehow evil when these vendors are allowing so many people to enjoy the wonderfull magic mushroom..
I honestly believe the mushroom is something amazing, and if these vendors weren't around we would see much less people enjoying the fruits of their labour, not to mention MUCH less strains available to any of us......
Give respect where its due, without Vendors we would be many years behind were we are now...
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Thor]
#314928 - 05/11/01 03:06 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Edited by forax (09/28/08 04:23 PM)
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Thor]
#314929 - 05/11/01 03:06 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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selling good shrooms at a fair price is not morally wrong, and anyone claiming it to be should go fuck themselves.
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Dirtmaster]
#314955 - 05/11/01 03:41 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Everyone should also realize that if it wasn't for spore vendors we wouldn't have so many spores available to pretty well anyone...
If spore vendors didn't exist it would be hard to get spores, the FSR and all the spores out for trade today came from vendors in the first place.... Very few people get their spores from the wild, so obviously the vast majority of spores owe their roots to one of the fine spore vendors....
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Thor]
#315018 - 05/11/01 04:37 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: egghead]
#315055 - 05/11/01 05:10 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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If your at a gathering of like minded souls then, as long as you're not ripping them off, it should be okay. Since most are either experienced or at least there because something in that setting rings true for them.
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: egghead]
#315056 - 05/11/01 05:10 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you're at a gathering of like minded souls then, as long as you're not ripping them off, it should be okay. Since most are either experienced or at least there because something in that setting rings true for them.
Edited by them_26 on 05/11/01 07:13 PM.
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: them_26]
#315084 - 05/11/01 05:35 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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rembember to sell the cubies to the gringos and keep the pans for yourselves. I would bet that a majority of the people on these boards that look down on selling mushrooms are infact paranoid that the board that they are on is under survillence. For them to deny that mushrooms are or should be sold whould take the focus of them as growers in general. This is not to say that they are not themselves in "The Game." It is kinda like a fat A.O.L. perv telling some 13 year old girl that he is some quarterback or somthing, few things on the net are true when security and egos are concerned. peace
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 Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: ALDER_057]
#315137 - 05/11/01 06:56 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am all for selling mushrooms because I know that if I had never been sold mushrooms many years ago I would have never tried them. I would surely not have been bold enough to go out into a field searching for the sacred shroom knowing that I was risking my life for a high I had never experienced. I would guess that the marjority of mushrooms use in the US comes from users who were first introduced to mushrooms via a big bad DRUG DEAL. If I knew where that initial dealer was I would go GIVE him 10x what he sold me so long ago simply out of PURE GRATITUDE.
One could easily consider PF the founder of the internet mushroom cultivation movement. His TEK is geared toward personal use and not mass cultivation. This may help generate some of the backlash against the sale of mushrooms. I dont sell them but I certainly dont look down on those who do.
About pimpin spores...I think Big Daddy Kane said it best
Anything goes when it comes to hoe's because pimpin aint easy...
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#315143 - 05/11/01 07:08 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Heaven and hell [Re: McMan]
#315494 - 05/12/01 07:13 AM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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The way I see it, as this thing gets bigger, you're going to have people out for a buck, and people who use if for a sacrament, and people inbetween.
I use it for a sacrament, but someone did SELL me shrooms in order for me to know what they were all about.
As growing becomes more popular, you're going to have MORE of each type of person.
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Anonymous]
#315640 - 05/12/01 12:08 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Anonymous]
#315641 - 05/12/01 12:08 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok, what pavlov is saying is true, we went froma few vendors to a whole shit load of spore sluts. it's ok to have a few vendors to provide strains in a way so people can get hooked up to see what this is all about, but what pavlov is pointing out is that everybody is now trying to be a spore pimp and it's getting sick, we are just degrading them all the way around. but now we have vendors selling spores like 10 to 18 dollars a syringe () then they tack on a S/H charge, yo this is financial gain I don't care what any of you say, are they want 20 to 40 dollars for a print. WTF, check this out......If I buy a syringe for 10 dollars and make a huge casing which produces say 20 prints then I sell them for 20 bucks a piece thats 400 bones, and you vendors say your doing it to help people? go figure.
STOP SLUTING THE SACRED SPORE AND START HAVING SOME RESPECT FOR IT LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Out of chaos...comes order...." AND THE FSR..Edited by Taz on 05/14/01 05:34 AM.
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: psilocyber]
#315824 - 05/12/01 04:28 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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In reply to:
We have never made any pretensions about spreading the sacred spores or exploiting the spiritual side of mushrooms. We simply offer a stellar service that is dependable and fast. Our prices are not outrageous in the least bit. Its a commercial market bar none.
While this is all true, don't forget the element of trust. For newbies to microscopy, it's important to deal with someone you trust. When you order a Ps Mexicana print from a respectable vendor, you can be pretty certain that that is what you'll get. And that's important.
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#315861 - 05/12/01 05:36 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Taz]
#315921 - 05/12/01 07:11 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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So don't use use the vendor you don't like. Just like any other business transaction (and please don't think that all I see is a transaction) you shop around. Find what you think are reasonable prices and good customer service.
Ever sneak food into a movie theater? Sorry, I'm poor. But it can be good for the soul.
There Macy's, Wal-mart, yard sales, and hand-me-downs. Cool managers/owners and vice-versa. I don't think there should be a certain amount of vendors. If someone can handle themselves then it will be noticed. And if they're $reasonable/pleasant to work with my belief is that they're okay.
Contests are a noteworthy gesture. But who the fuck knows? The nameless ones may be donating to the FSR. And w/the FSR you can get a print for a dollar. Can't beat that! Grow it out. Make some prints, trade, and give a few away. Wanna try your hand at vending go ahead.You don't see everyone practicing what they preach but you can never really expect that, can you?
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Anonymous]
#316074 - 05/13/01 03:00 AM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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i believe certain spore vendors are crutial in the future of cultivation, when i say "certain", i mean the vendors who are actually progressing into finding new strains, purity., positive identification., etc...
i dont believe in the vendors that dont do research, and are out to just make a buck (STP). thats rediculous.
the " certain" vendors have the right to charge for spores, at a reasonable price to compensate their time, knowledge & effort, etc., that is o.k by my book.
if you were that "certain" vendor, wouldnt you want to be compensated for your efforts?
come on! they even travel to foriegn lands in search of new strains!
about selling fruits, AFOAF doesnt believe in selling them like a drug dealer would, reckless & "just out for a buck."
"Personal Gain"
AFOAF believes that cultivation requires cash, and most cultivators arent rich, therefore, AFOAF believes selling the fruits to friends, and not to just anyone who has $$,
only charging a reasonable amount to cover the cost lost to continue the hobby, to keep it going.,
No Personal $$ Gain, No Personal $$ Lost,
the ONLY thing gained is Personal knowledge on both parts of the deal...the grower & the consumer.
A BALANCE.
that is our 3 cents'!
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I like what's being said here. Dystopian Harbinger's points about the good side of selling especially needed to be said.
I wouldn't want a person seeking magik mushrooms to go out and eat a poisonous LBM. Bam my friends are dead. No, and if someone cultivating shrooms was to sell, I think they might have some costs to compensate for. From the time some of us spend discussing this on the Shroomery, there is obviously a lot of time invested...work, which other people aren't going to have to do to get great shrooms.
The difficulty in selling somthing of this nature is that it can be very harmful if misused, so I think that anyone selling would need to put her/his concern for the unexperienced before her/his desire to make annother sale. ie; don't sell to people who won't know how to use them safely.
That has the karmic proportions of giving loaded weapons to children.
I think the other main hang-up about selling shrooms is that they are worshiped by some people. Fine. In my opinion, the physical manifestations are not the deity...it's just a drug. What is precious and sacred happens inside souls, which aren't being sold in this case. I personally believe that it is troublesome when people start thinking that life is beautiful because of a dried up fungus, or a crystaly white powder or whatever...
But wees bigger dan dat, um-hmmmm?
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Anonymous]
#316597 - 05/13/01 10:35 PM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm grateful to those who have provided my firend spores to growth with. Okay so I'll go with the spore provider I know, Ryche. Ryche is the only spore dealer I can really speak of because he's the only one I've used over more than one order.
Its werid like after a certain point I was researching advanced cultivation topics and found posts where Ryche was asking the questions and proposing really dumb shit. You'd think a reputable spore provider would know everything right away. I guess not we all start somewhere.
I guess my point is, we have some people serving spores who have been around awhile and have built a solid reputation. That has value. When you are trying some new technique, and it fails, you want to be able to say, "it wasn't that the syringe was bad, I need to keep working on this technique." If you bought your spores at some fly-by-night operation which just popped up, well, you can't be so sure.
Without reputeable spore sellers, there is no way we can make advances in cultivation. To be able to go from spore to mushroom takes a considerable amount of learning such that the grower can be considered accountable for their actions.
But then, I like whores. I don't consider some of the reputeable syringes sellers (ryche, sporechicks, PF) to be whores in any way though.
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: djfrog]
#316707 - 05/14/01 03:38 AM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok everyone, I posted in this thread about ryche prices and I changed that, I shouldn't have posted his name because I was speaking of vendors in general. I got my facts wrong with ryche's prices and apologize about that. sorry ryche, hope there's no hard feelings...
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Re: Pimpin The Sacred Spore [Re: Taz]
#317758 - 05/15/01 07:34 AM (23 years, 11 months ago) |
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Spore vendors are where the majority of people here got there first spores from. There's almost nothing in this world that doesn't cost money, almost everything depends on money now a days and nobody ever has enough. Spore dealers are selling to people that have to grow the shrooms and who mostly take it themselves or give it to friends, of course some dealers probably also get from spore vendors but they're the minority in the case. Drug dealers are just selling stuff that messes people up to people who want to get messed up, I'd put money that over 80% of the people who have baught shrooms from dealers don't know what psilocybe is. I'd also be willing to bet that more than 10% don't know that mushrooms come from spores ; ) I guess I'm trying to say that the majority of people buying from vendors use the shrooms for themselves and a majority of which have a form of respect for the mushrooms while the group buying from dealers are usually just people trying to get fuct up. Either way though, shrooms are illegal as a whole so in the eyes of authority they're the same thing.
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