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The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ?
    #3147856 - 09/17/04 12:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

This is the result of an upside-down graft of a Lophophora williamsii var williamsii onto a Myrt stock.



For a long time I didn't think the graft took, as there was only swelling of the scion, with no obvious Loph growth or pups. Then one day the swelling burst and you can see what has happened.

I would like to get this cristate onto it's own roots but it'll probably be a bit of a messy job, particularly as the original tap-root has hardened into something like tough cork.


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3147887 - 09/17/04 01:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I'd wait until it grows some pups to do anything.


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3148209 - 09/17/04 02:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, never saw anything like that. It's really cool how it opened up from inside. I would definately give it some more time before thinking about removing it from the host. I hope you keep us updated.

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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3148873 - 09/17/04 05:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

totally crazy!
how amazing...
i've had given up grafting butts, i'm gonna back into it now!


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3150655 - 09/18/04 02:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Good luck with your cristate!

Give it some time to grow and keep up informed.


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3159398 - 09/21/04 12:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I tried to edit the original post to make comparison easier, but there's gremlins preventing me editing it. :laugh:

Here's an update, this is how it looks today - just nine days after the original pic. It's certainly expanding quickly:



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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3159422 - 09/21/04 01:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thats only nine days? WOW!

Hows them hoodias going?


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3159462 - 09/21/04 01:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hah! I love it


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3159476 - 09/21/04 01:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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SHEIKofSHIITAKE said:

Hows them hoodias going?




Pain in the ass, three more cuttings and they all rotted from the callus up. Mushmush claim that they root readily, think we're just unlucky. :wink:


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3159483 - 09/21/04 01:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Bah whats up with that? Do you think they just need to be meatier?


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3159499 - 09/21/04 01:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Don't know, Hoodia doesn't get particularly 'fat'. :laugh:


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3159530 - 09/21/04 01:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder why? Lol


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3159575 - 09/21/04 02:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Intruder Alert!!!  :shocked:

Anyone recognise these? Didn't notice them at first. No-where to be seen on the rest of my collection. There's several of these on the graft, yellowish in colour, and about 2mm long!




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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3159693 - 09/21/04 02:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Time to bring out the malathion I think :thumbup:.
Nothing says "fuck off" to little intruders like organophosphates do :laugh:.


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3159774 - 09/21/04 02:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Is it a scale those lil critars are easy to get rid of by smooshing.


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3159795 - 09/21/04 02:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Soak some cigarette butts, and spray him for a day or two.


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3160066 - 09/21/04 03:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Jackal said:

Anyone recognise these? Didn't notice them at first. No-where to be seen on the rest of my collection. There's several of these on the graft, yellowish in colour, and about 2mm long!




I use a safety pin to spear them.

I would not use any pesticides! At worst, try a dilute alcohol solution.


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3163048 - 09/22/04 01:36 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

First let me say, very nice!!!

Could you describe in as much detail as possible, how you made your graft. I understand grafting, I am just looking to try and duplicate your results of getting a crested cacti (lo. will. is illegal here, so I will have to try a legal cactus like aztikium) none the less I would love to hear how you made the graft. Like:

how did you sterilize your blade/razor to make the cut
how did you secure the scion to the base
how long was the scion secrued to the base
did you do anything to provide humidity
how did you overlap the growth rings, or other placement info
how old was the scion
how much of the root was grafted as the scion
anything else you can think of that you may have done in the process

You may have stumbled on to something repeatable here, and that would be great. Thanks for sharing your pictures and for any additional details you can provide.

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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3163160 - 09/22/04 02:10 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I also thought of:

The orientation of the root scion
If there was any of the green flesh left on the root part used as the scion.

Perhaps you may think I am being picky, but just as in recalling dreams, the little details amount to everything. So many scientific discoveries have resulted from the scientist noting every little detail and then the experiment failing to produce the expected results. Then going over the minute details carefully and repeating them meticulously - the odd result is repeated and the crucial detail elicited. Thanks again.

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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: reite]
    #3164293 - 09/22/04 12:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I dont understand how you made this grat. Is this the root section grafted on? It looks like the whole graft was calus?? Was there a visible growth top when you grafted on?


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: reite]
    #3164487 - 09/22/04 01:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

reite said:

how did you sterilize your blade/razor to make the cut



- I use alcohol wipes for all my tools.

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how did you secure the scion to the base



- Rubber bands going over the top of the scion and under the pot, quite significant pressure is applied between scion and stock.

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how long was the scion secrued to the base



- This graft is about 14 months old, for ages I only saw swelling kinda like a bubble inflating. There was no noticable peyote tissue. The bubble was green translucent kinda like a scab healing over on human skin (but green)  :tongue:

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did you do anything to provide humidity



Nope, I don't find increased humidity necessary when using Myrt and fair sized scions.

Quote:

how did you overlap the growth rings, or other placement info



Dead centre.

Quote:

how old was the scion



A typical three year old peyote, 2.5cms (1 inch) diameter.

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how much of the root was grafted as the scion



All of it, imagine removing the button right down to the soils surface, what was left was grafted. After a full year the root was completely dried out - resembling cork. I then clipped it off as it was just in the way. :wink:

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anything else you can think of that you may have done in the process



After the swelling burst I moved it to my growroom (400w Metal Halide) hoping that a few pups would appear but instead I got a cristate. :laugh:

Quote:

The orientation of the root scion



Straight on, the root scion was basically turned upside down and brought into contact with the rootstock.

Quote:

If there was any of the green flesh left on the root part used as the scion.



Yes, but very little. I inferred that some would be required if pups were to be formed.

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I dont understand how you made this grat. Is this the root section grafted on? It looks like the whole graft was calus?? Was there a visible growth top when you grafted on?



Hopefully some of the above will answer your question, but rather than leave the root in the soil after removing the button, I pulled it out, turned it upside down and grafted it as if it were a button itself. It wasn't allowed to callus i.e. it was grafted immediately after the button was removed.

-Jack


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3164543 - 09/22/04 01:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Isnt Cristate a genetic thing, so unless the cutting was Cristate too then this is just a squished button?


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3164663 - 09/22/04 02:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No-one knows what causes a cristate, but I found this

Quote:

Dimmitt and other plant experts say possible causes of cresting include genetic quirks, frost damage or growth changes brought on by insects, lightning strikes or bacterial infections.

"Anything that damages the growing tip might cause a crest to form," Dimmitt says. "But it's all speculation. This is one of those 'the truth is out there' stories. But we don't know what it is at this point." 



from  here.

And there's also a thread at Overgrow  here that demonstrates cristation (new word :laugh: ) from regular growing scions.


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3165234 - 09/22/04 04:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

So, did this grow out of an aureole like a normal pup? You said that "very little" green tissue was left, I'm just wondering if there was enough to have a healthy aureole left on...


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Openminded]
    #3165268 - 09/22/04 04:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It's difficult to say, it appears to have come from between the union of the stock and scion. It certainly did not come from any of the tissue around the circumference of the scion.


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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ? [Re: Jackal]
    #3167136 - 09/22/04 11:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Jack,

Thanks for the in-depth reply. In addition to the methods you have described, I have heard that direct destruction of the apical meristem of a very young cacti with a needle, and mutagenic chemicals can cause cristae formation. Thanks for the insights in how yours developed.

Sincerely,

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Re: The Amazing Inverse Exploding Cristate Peyote Graft ™ [Re: Jackal]
    #3537246 - 12/23/04 09:54 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Any new pics?  :frown:


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