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OfflinePhred
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But... but... Liberals are such CARING people!
    #3146047 - 09/17/04 12:26 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040916/480/wvrs10309162250

Great photo of Kerry-supporting union thug intimidating children. Check out the little girl's brother.

pinky


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InvisibleAnnapurna1
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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: Phred]
    #3146070 - 09/17/04 12:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

at least they didnt haul him off to jail.. the bushistas have been known to do that to ppl wearing kerry t-shirts...


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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3146091 - 09/17/04 12:33 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Face it, rabid Kerry supporters are just as big puss filled douche bags as rabid Bush supporters... they just think that they're more compassionate.


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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: Phred]
    #3146162 - 09/17/04 12:46 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Desperation.  :murder:
As Kerry's numbers continue to sink, watch for this shit to get worse and worse.


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OfflineDigitalDuality
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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: Phred]
    #3146216 - 09/17/04 12:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I would identify libertarians, Greens, and Democrats as "liberal", wouldn't you agree?


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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3146261 - 09/17/04 01:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

DigitalDuality said:
I would identify libertarians, Greens, and Democrats as "liberal", wouldn't you agree?



I wouldn't call libertarians liberal. Just look at their fiscal policy.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: Gijith]
    #3146270 - 09/17/04 01:09 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'm going to miss John Kerry.


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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: Zahid]
    #3146346 - 09/17/04 01:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Because he...
Quote:

Zahid said:
he has a nice sword like face



...?

That's my favorite of your posts.
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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: Gijith]
    #3146356 - 09/17/04 01:28 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

:tongue2:


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OfflineDigitalDuality
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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: z@z.com]
    #3146368 - 09/17/04 01:32 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

They are fiscally conservative yes. But conservative (being the opposite of liberal) is not merely about economic policy. Dicitionary definitions of liberal barely even mention economic policy.

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# Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

# Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Liberal





When you look at civil rights issues.. Libertarians, Greens, and Democrats are all extremely liberal. By dictionary definition, they are open to try new things, new routes, they are pushing for change.

The whole essence of conservatism, is to hold on to the past, this normally upholds values from the "moral majority". Not very libertarian at all. Not just being conservative economically.

So as far as i'm concerned, libertarians are liberals.


Edited by DigitalDuality (09/17/04 01:34 AM)


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InvisibleDieCommie
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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3146379 - 09/17/04 01:35 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

By dictionary definition America and Western Europe are all liberal countries....

But the dictionary definition of Conservative and Liberal have little to do with modern political liberals.


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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: DieCommie]
    #3146399 - 09/17/04 01:40 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

^
So the libertarian party.. who pushes for equality amongst gays and straights, who pushes for progressive change in our system by wanting to get rid of the Federal Reserve, public education,.. a political party that does not make an official statement about abortion and refuses to involve the government in the issue (by default, pro-choice), a political party (or at least Badnarik) who opposed the Iraq war, AND the war in Afghanistan, who opposes the Patriot Act (side by side with Dems currently, and Greens), a politcal party that wants to completely end the war on drugs.. A party that opposes moral majority religion mixed with state bullshit.

these aren't liberal ideals?

Gee, i always thought myself liberal. Or are libertarians just afriad of the terminology b/c of who else they could be lumped together with. that display more of a "bigger" government, such as greens and Dems.


Edited by DigitalDuality (09/17/04 01:43 AM)


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InvisibleDieCommie
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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3146433 - 09/17/04 01:48 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

By the definition in the dictionary America is all liberal. America changes very fast and every few years our society and culture are different than before....every decade has a distinct feel. By this definition all western countries are liberal. Societies that stay stagnant are conservative.

But the modern political definitions arnt tangent to the dictionary definitions. By dictionary definition being pro-life is liberal, after all that is change, but obviously that is not how it is. Modern labels are much more arbitrary.

I, like you, prefer the dictionary definitions. By those definitions I am very liberal, and I view true conservative countries with suspicion.


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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: Phred]
    #3146707 - 09/17/04 02:55 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Liberals tear up signs

Conservatives run up the deficit, run into war without planning, strip civil liberties....



And that's just great of the father to use his daughter in HIS political objectives.......


Conservatives are such great parents.....


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OfflineTao
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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: z@z.com]
    #3146985 - 09/17/04 05:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Libertarians = Classic Liberals (either principled or pragmatic)

Greens, Dems, etc. = Modern Liberals


Repubs = ? Maybe modern liberals as well?


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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: Tao]
    #3146992 - 09/17/04 05:18 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

TaoTeChing said:
Libertarians = Classic Liberals (either principled or pragmatic)

Greens, Dems, etc. = Modern Liberals


Repubs = ? Maybe modern liberals as well?



Repubs = mix of classic liberal fiscal policy(at least until the Bush admin. came along) with social conservatism


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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: Evolving]
    #3147203 - 09/17/04 07:52 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Face it, rabid Kerry supporters are just as big puss filled douche bags as rabid Bush supporters... they just think that they're more compassionate.




I think that is the main point. The fanatics on both sides dont seem to exhibit much in the way of rational thought. How long before the first effigy is burnt?


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OfflineTao
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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: GazzBut]
    #3147229 - 09/17/04 08:20 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

there was a giant flaming effigy of bush being towed around a neighborhood in seattle i was at a few weeks ago. and im sure it wasnt the first.


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OfflineGazzBut
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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: Tao]
    #3147242 - 09/17/04 08:28 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think it edame who has the quote on all here posts referring to dogma entering the brain and rational thought leaving....So true, so true!

alot of people round the world are finding it quite disconcerting to watch the way the election is being carried out in the states. It seems to be mostly hype with little substance.


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OfflineTao
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Re: But... but... Liberals are such CARING people! [Re: GazzBut]
    #3147249 - 09/17/04 08:35 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

But dogma is so much easier than thinking for yourself. :smirk:


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