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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3144882 - 09/16/04 06:03 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

If the U.S. were to leave, they would be able to implement it - it's the goal of every Mujahid - to establish Shariah according to Shariah, and Shariah has erected Metyn Kaplan; and everywhere from Afghanistan to Chechnya, the mujahideen is in contact with Metyn Kaplan. He is our caliph without a state.


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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: ]
    #3144887 - 09/16/04 06:05 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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mushmaster said:
Yes, they are.

could you explain what islamic law is? i understand that islam, unlike other major religions, has a very defined political component to it. what do islamic texts say about the role of the state?




Shariah is basically Islam - it is derived from the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah. If you want to learn about Islam, there many sites out there.


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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: Zahid]
    #3144891 - 09/16/04 06:07 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

i've been looking around. are non-muslims bound to shariah in a muslim caliphate? is religious freedom tolerated?

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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: ]
    #3144892 - 09/16/04 06:08 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, religious freedom is part of Shariah. Khilafah is required by Islamic Law to fund the building of Churches, Temples, Synagogues, etc.


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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: Zahid]
    #3144907 - 09/16/04 06:14 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

if shariah is the political code prescribed by the q'uran, and it is as you describe it, why are the governments in muslim nations some of the most oppressive in the world?

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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: Zahid]
    #3144913 - 09/16/04 06:17 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

how does a shariah government differ from a liberal democracy?

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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: ]
    #3144918 - 09/16/04 06:18 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Because they are corrupt. They do not follow Shariah. The Muslim world is poor and governments tend to be greedy. Islam is supressed by these governments, as are other religions. The people have no say on these governments, as they are backed by the West. If they attempt an armed uprising, they are branded terrorists by the state and the West.


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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: Zahid]
    #3144928 - 09/16/04 06:20 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Zahid, to give us a better idea, what countries in the past have followed Shariah?

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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: ]
    #3144934 - 09/16/04 06:21 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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mushmaster said:
how does a shariah government differ from a liberal democracy?




It's a conservative democracy. People elect their leaders, and have the right to question how their leaders are implementing Shariah. However, that doesn't mean bars and whatnot can open. Our culture is different from yours, and we follow a code of morality as set by God.


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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: Gijith]
    #3144937 - 09/16/04 06:22 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

i'm guessing... turkey\ottoman empire was the last...

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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: Gijith]
    #3144939 - 09/16/04 06:23 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Shariah hasn't existed since 1924. It existed under the Ottoman khilafah until it was destroyed by Mustafa Kemal.


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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: Zahid]
    #3144941 - 09/16/04 06:24 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Zahid said:
If the U.S. were to leave, they would be able to implement it - it's the goal of every Mujahid - to establish Shariah according to Shariah, and Shariah has erected Metyn Kaplan; and everywhere from Afghanistan to Chechnya, the mujahideen is in contact with Metyn Kaplan. He is our caliph without a state.



But how come the mujahadeen have been unable to implement it elsewhere?


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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: Zahid]
    #3144942 - 09/16/04 06:24 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

However, that doesn't mean bars and whatnot can open.

ah.... so non-muslims are held to islamic rules for morality?

can i drink a beer in an islamic caliphate?

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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: ]
    #3144951 - 09/16/04 06:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

No, you cannot - but you are free to go else where.


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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: Zahid]
    #3144958 - 09/16/04 06:27 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

interesting. what are some other islamic codes of behavior that non-muslims might not want forced on them?

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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3144966 - 09/16/04 06:28 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Yeah, and it would mean the invasion was a TOTAL waste for the US.

I think we need to send more troops and take a more aggressive stance towards insurgents.




Remind you of certain other war of the latter half of the 20th century? I remember saying on sept 12th 2001, lets not get ourselves into another vietnam.


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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3144970 - 09/16/04 06:29 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
Quote:

Zahid said:
If the U.S. were to leave, they would be able to implement it - it's the goal of every Mujahid - to establish Shariah according to Shariah, and Shariah has erected Metyn Kaplan; and everywhere from Afghanistan to Chechnya, the mujahideen is in contact with Metyn Kaplan. He is our caliph without a state.



But how come the mujahadeen have been unable to implement it elsewhere?




Good question. In Chechnya, the mujahideen haven't been able to do much because of the presence of Russian troops and their constant campaigns in Chechnya against the Mujahideen. In other words, the Chechen Mujahideen has its hands tied trying to liberate their country before any order can be established. In Afghanistan, the Taliban was culturally corrupt to begin with, and they were under constant war fare with the Russian backed Northern Alliance, hence they only managed to establish an emirate, not a khilafah at their own fault. They could only call it an emirate because they knowingly corrupted Shariah.


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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: ]
    #3144975 - 09/16/04 06:31 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Islamic morality is established in public only. If you want to paint goatse paintings for the Shroomery in your studio, you are free to.


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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: Zahid]
    #3144977 - 09/16/04 06:33 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

so i can drink a beer, as long as it's in the privacy of my own home?

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Re: Iraq - what should happen now? [Re: ]
    #3144980 - 09/16/04 06:34 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, but it would still be illegal to posess.


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