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Iraq Body Count
    #3144282 - 09/16/04 05:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

3,000 Iraqi dead named

Simon Jeffery
Thursday September 16, 2004

The most complete attempt yet to identify some of the estimated 15,000 Iraqi civilians killed since the US-led invasion in March last year was unveiled in Chicago today.
Iraq Body Count (IBC), a volunteer group of British and US academics and researchers, came up with 3,000 names by combining its database of dead civilians gleaned from media reports with the work of on-the-ground Iraqi researchers.

"Every one of some 15,000 Iraqi civilians killed was a loved human being, whose loss creates heartbreak and bitterness among the bereaved families and communities," said local IBC member Scott Lipscomb.

Each of the names was read out in a ceremony that lasted two hours, and has been inscribed on a 24ft wall in Chicago's Federal Plaza alongside a memorial to the US soldiers who have died in Iraq. The memorial, which travels between American cities, consists of more than 1,000 pairs of combat boots tagged with the name, age, rank and home state of each dead US soldier.

A 150-strong Iraqi team funded by the US-based Campaign for Innocent Victims in Combat named two thirds of the identified fatalities. The team visited various parts of the country in summer 2003, knocking on doors and asking families if they had suffered any losses.

Neither the US nor the UK, the former occupying powers, attempted to count or identify the civilian dead and the IBC list represents the most comprehensive project of its kind.

John Sloboda, a co-founder of IBC and professor of psychology at Keele University, said the group estimated that a further 12,000 civilians on top of the 3,000 identified had died in Iraq since March 2003.

"Our primary project is to accumulate the best media estimates of the total number killed," he said. "We have a minimum and a maximum to account for differences in reporting and uncertainties. Our minimum is just under 13,000 and our maximum is just over 15,000.

"This is simply those deaths that the media were able to report. We are pretty certain there are a significant number more that just have not come to light."


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Re: Iraq Body Count [Re: Xlea321]
    #3144502 - 09/16/04 06:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Of course nobody mentions how any of those Iraqis were killed and by whom. As far as I know a little over 3,000 were killed by Coalition forces. The rest have died from crime, terrorist attacks and insurgent fighting or lack as result of infrastructure destroyed by insurgents.

You can blame most of those deaths on the likes of Zarqawi and Al-Sadr.

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Re: Iraq Body Count [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3144567 - 09/16/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Source please.


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Re: Iraq Body Count [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3146533 - 09/17/04 02:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Of course nobody mentions how any of those Iraqis were killed and by whom.

Actually they do. Read the full article.

You can blame most of those deaths on the likes of Zarqawi and Al-Sadr.

No, you can't.

"We don't just take off-the-peg definitions but look case by case - if a group of people were bombed from the sky while they were sleeping in a house it doesn't matter if the Americans call them insurgents or not, they were not initiating deadly violence," Prof Sloboda explained.

"If, however, a group of insurgents were mounting an attack on an American position and the Americans returned fire and killed them then they would not be included in our figures because they were the initiators of violence."

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