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9/11 Conspiracy
    #3143610 - 09/16/04 03:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

So i've watched 3 9/11 conspiracy movies. Now you all know I am on the left, and these three movies were made by extreme right wingers. I would like to believe that GWB had something to do with 9/11, but that would mean the dems did too....Basically to believe in a conspiracy is to have absolutely no faith in my gov't, in fact fear them. There is some VERY hard evidence in favor of US gov't involvement , including the physics of how fast the towers fell. Anyway all I'm saying now is that its a strong possibility. Here is one of the few points not backed by hard evidence that really made me think.

According to the FBI the night before the hijacking, mohammed atta and 2 other terrorists go into a titty bar and spend hundreds on booze and strippers. They are bragging that america is about to pay for its crimes...basically trashing on the USA.. They left behind business cards and a qur'ran!!!!

ok now doesnt anyone else think that is a little too fucking convienient??? We are supposed to believe the people who did this were RADICAL islamic terrorists. Drinking and Strippers are strictly forbidden in that religion. There is no way they are gonna go around breaking allah's rules the day before they are going to die. It makes no sense they would brag either, why jeopardize all the planning in one drunken night of partying? And leaving behind business cards and a fucking qur'ran?!?!?! not gonna happen. The whole thing sounds staged and the public believes it because an american might actually goto a strip club and get crunk the night before a suicide mission....to me that doesnt add up....why jeopardize your "50 virgins" only hours before u are to martyr yourself??


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3143635 - 09/16/04 03:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think the idea is that martyrs go to heaven regardless of whatever else they've done.


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: silversoul7]
    #3143666 - 09/16/04 03:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

hmmm....where is zahid with the ruling on this one  :crazy:


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: silversoul7]
    #3143670 - 09/16/04 03:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

lol and why did they leave a qur'ran?? and business cards


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: silversoul7]
    #3143683 - 09/16/04 03:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, they probably figured they were gonna score some serious brownie points with Allah in the morning. So they could let loose a little the night before. I mean, what kind of god would Allah be if he turned away a couple of guys that just murdered 3000 people?

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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3143879 - 09/16/04 03:57 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

First of all, it's not 50 virgins, it's 72, an even better incentive.

Second, there's another Atta story along the same lines, except it's even more absurd. Google "Johnelle Bryant" and see what comes out.
To summarize it, this woman (who disappeared since) claims that Atta came to see her to get a 600.000$ loan to buy a spray plane (at a time when he supposedly hadn't even entered the US). When told he wouldn't get it, he got angry and more or less started giving away the whole 9/11 plan, praising Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, etc. All this in front of a US civil servant. He even allegedly seemed very interested in an aerial view of Washington, offering to buy it for several thousands $, while they're almost for free in any souvenir shop. :confused:
Anyway, the story was obviously completely made up and supposedly incriminated Atta and Al Qaeda in the 9/11 attacks. It made the news anyway, and nobody seemed to see the sheer absurdity of the whole story.

I agree with you, all these planted pieces of evidence are one more element that make the whole thing seem highly suspicious.


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3144053 - 09/16/04 04:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Propaganda Matrix

Check out that page





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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: Learyfan]
    #3144177 - 09/16/04 04:58 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

there is almost more evidence that the gov't had something to do with it


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3144641 - 09/16/04 06:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I have heard reports of the hijackers being Western-like, but this one is probably false. From what I understand hijacker Ziad Jarrah had a girlfriend with no intention of marrying, but I have also heard that Ziad Jarrah was murdered in 2000, which is also interesting. Mohammed Atta however, was obsessed with his own death and spent most of his time in prayer, preparing for the attack. If anyone has read Atta's will, they would know he was religious, and not the type of guy to be slipping cash in a strippers G-string.

Why the hijackers would risk derailing their operation by bragging about it raises some eyebrows about this witness accounts.


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3145409 - 09/16/04 10:08 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

KingOftheThing said:
there is almost more evidence that the gov't had something to do with it




Personally I think the amount of evidence suggesting (proving rather) a conspiracy in regard to that complete joke of an official report is overwhelmingly frightening.


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: ekomstop]
    #3145439 - 09/16/04 10:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)


Personally I think the amount of evidence suggesting (proving rather)
a conspiracy in regard to that complete joke of an official report is
overwhelmingly frightening.

And what evidence is that? The ridiculous assertion by some wacko
website that massive tanks were attached to the side of one of the
hijacked planes? Or some of the innuendo, stretching, and drivel
that I have personally seen on 9/11 conspiracy websites?


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3145466 - 09/16/04 10:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I've posted many links to videos, radio interviews, news archives and reports, even offered to snail mail a bunch of videos to people with slower connections that are chock-full of convincing evidence, yet it appears a number of people here would rather ignore it all and remain in the dark on the many facts that just so happen to contradict the information that they have already digested. Why should I feel the need waste my time trying to convince somebody something that they obviously don't want to be convinced of?


Edited by ekomstop (09/16/04 10:33 PM)


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3145486 - 09/16/04 10:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Learyfan said:
Propaganda Matrix

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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: ekomstop]
    #3145526 - 09/16/04 10:40 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I am on a shitty computer so I can't listen to audio or watch video.

I can read however, and every 9/11 conspiracy web site is full of
miselading articles and outright mistruths. I went to one of the
sites you posted and within 5 minutes I found inconsistencies and
outright innaccuracies.


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3145572 - 09/16/04 10:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

And you sincerely don't sense any degree of inconsistencies and/or innaccuracies in the official report?

I recommend you get your hands on some of some of those videos one way or another..I mean, atleast for me it was alot easier to begin understanding some of this a bit more objectively after being shown the facts instead of simply reading about it.

Hell, I will offer to mail some to you. But I am completely broke so how about we make an agreement, if what you see changes your perspective even a little, would you promise to pass them around to others on this board who arn't able to download them?

I also have some interviews on mp3 that I could send to you if you are willing to leave your computer on overnight or something. Just tell me if you are interested, I have AIM and soulseek.


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: ekomstop]
    #3145780 - 09/16/04 11:30 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think that tihs is some big conspiracy for globalization, but just good old money. The Bush family goes way back as chums with BinLaden family (the royal family of Saudi Arabia). Saudi Arabia is our largest exporter of oil, enough said. If anything, I'd say it is proviteering companies like Bectel and Haliburton and their (multi-million dollar) lobbyists are the problem. Interesting side note:
George HW Bush (Daddy) was the first president in US history yo cash in his presidential pension for cash... Doesn't he have enough money allready?

Check out :
HTTP://www.bilderberg.org


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: skunkjar]
    #3146124 - 09/17/04 12:39 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)


The Bush family goes way back as chums with BinLaden family (the
royal family of Saudi Arabia).

The Bin Laden family is not the Saudi Royal Family.


Saudi Arabia is our largest exporter of oil, enough said.

Canada is the largest supplier of oil to America, not Saudi Arabia.


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: ekomstop]
    #3146134 - 09/17/04 12:41 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I guess I could give these movies of yours a look. I have a post
office box you could send them to(if you had the money to).


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: Learyfan]
    #3147681 - 09/17/04 11:51 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

nice propaganda matrix link
so far the most info ive seen in one location.


Edited by Eightball (09/17/04 03:18 PM)


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Re: 9/11 Conspiracy [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3148859 - 09/17/04 05:13 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

in plane site was garbage.


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