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Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused.
    #3143018 - 09/16/04 10:10 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Previously, two weeks ago my cakes were not growing. I was instructed to dunk them in water for a 24 hour period and then place them back into the chamber and they would grow in another two weeks. Well, its been another two weeks and there is nothing happening in there. It is very frustrating. What should I do, there is ample water and I fan at-least twice a day???

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3143027 - 09/16/04 10:13 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

are you misting?
they look kinda dry...


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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: george castanza]
    #3143034 - 09/16/04 10:15 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

They are so wet that there are little droplets on some of the mycelia. It is really really wet in there. If you feel the tops of some of them they feel really damp.

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3143039 - 09/16/04 10:16 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

temps?


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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: george castanza]
    #3143068 - 09/16/04 10:21 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

75F

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3143151 - 09/16/04 10:37 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Have you covered them in vermiculite since colonisation? The pictures look as though the cakes are not fully colonised.

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3143183 - 09/16/04 10:44 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Do you have enough light?

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3143280 - 09/16/04 11:12 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

12-16hrs. initiates pins nicely when coincided with a drop in temps and fresh air exchange. Also make sure RH is high and your verm is moist. I also recommend fanning twice as much as you are now with a fanning duration of 20-30 sec. GL

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3143302 - 09/16/04 11:22 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Could you take a larger pic for us? Its just really hard to see from this distance, just pick a few cakes and take a segmented picture that shows the detail of the cakes?

If the humidity is too high that may be your problem.

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3144229 - 09/16/04 03:13 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, they were covered in verm. after they were colonized.

Okay, so I should turn the ac down to 64F tonight (i had it there for most of last week with no success), and shine a 40-watt light on them? and I should fan a lot more?

For RH should I stick a hydrometer in there for a few hours and then post what the humidity is?

Edited by CreamSoda (09/16/04 03:18 PM)

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3144643 - 09/16/04 04:50 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Am I correct here? what should the Humidity be?

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3144676 - 09/16/04 05:01 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

from the pics, humidity looks to not be an issue...

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: Tremor1127]
    #3145190 - 09/16/04 07:15 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

what da hell is that grey ball on the 1rst cake on th e3rd row to the right?looks like contam holding it back,and they do look like the cakes are kinda young .maybe you didnt give enough time to colonize inside the cake


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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: botanisthype]
    #3145416 - 09/16/04 08:11 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I COVERED THEM IN VERM. They are fully developed. I am in a panic here, i spent 100 USD and two months and am getting nothing. How can I start them growing?

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3145433 - 09/16/04 08:14 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

IMO too much verm so the myc doesnt get the light. so its not getting the last most important pin trigger.


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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: scape]
    #3145470 - 09/16/04 08:26 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Should I wipe off some of the verm? Should i buy a light for the growing chamber?

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3145480 - 09/16/04 08:28 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

i dont think buying a light is nesscary. i would remove some verm.. i usally just roll my cakes in dry verm and call it good. ive double ended cased 1 time and didnt really see a huge benfit. however i would say with out a dbout you have WAY TO MUCH verm. wait till someone else comments on this idea about removing the verm. i am unsure. but make sure your giving your cakes plenty of fresh air exchange/high RH/and a constant temp of 75 degress and 16-18 hours of light for a pin set!!


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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3145532 - 09/16/04 08:42 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

should i stick them up by a window?

Edited by CreamSoda (09/16/04 08:43 PM)

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3145541 - 09/16/04 08:44 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

well dont be confused. Just listen to what people say, if you dont understand ASK! plain and simple its the only way your going to get some where.


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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: scape]
    #3145567 - 09/16/04 08:48 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Should I place them next to a window on a table or something?

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3145596 - 09/16/04 08:54 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

just give them light 16-18 hours.. if your going to use natural sunlight make it indirect so it doesnt harm the cakes.


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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: scape]
    #3145606 - 09/16/04 08:55 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

AFTER CLOSE INSPECTION I JSUT SPOTTED ONE PIN! YAY! DOES THIS MEAN THAT I AM INFACT DOING AN OKAY JOB?

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3145624 - 09/16/04 08:58 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

yea a pin is good.. one usally means tons on the way... just watch fan more than 2 times a day. and keep RH UP!


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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: scape]
    #3145633 - 09/16/04 08:59 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

but its not on an acual cake its like comming off some myc that is like a little bridge off the cake. No signs of pin growth on the real cakes. What should I do? Should I still make the changes or just wait?

Edited by CreamSoda (09/16/04 09:07 PM)

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3145671 - 09/16/04 09:07 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

just wait... fan 5-6 times a day. make sure that you dont pick the cakes up and play with them... its just not what they like and most of all keep the temp stable and 16-18 horus of light! you will win this battle.


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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: scape]
    #3145698 - 09/16/04 09:12 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I am confused how to handle the light issue. I have them on the floor of the living room in my apt. It gets light but not very much.

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: scape]
    #3146084 - 09/16/04 10:32 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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yea a pin is good.. one usally means tons on the way... just watch fan more than 2 times a day. and keep RH UP!




NOT!!!! It means nothing of the sort, it only indicates that you have a fruiting strain which may or may not pin prolifically. (fact!) :wink: either way GL!!!!

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3146126 - 09/16/04 10:40 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

they do look like they have too much vermtry taking some off then putting them in some light for 16-18 hours

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: C4NN4B15_F4NN4B15]
    #3146237 - 09/16/04 11:00 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Where the hell did this 16-18hrs. come from? 12-16hrs. has always been the standard for optimal pinsets IME. Especially stubborn ones :wink: They seem to grow better with a longer dark period after pins are set so I've heard :wink:

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3146794 - 09/17/04 01:23 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

ok, thin out tha verm layer. You said the verm is wet, you don't want it dry but you don't want it soaking or soggy either. (ever seen how long a cake that is to wet takes to finish?)
Fanning twice a day, simply put do more.

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: Magash]
    #3151146 - 09/18/04 12:35 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Here is a picture of the one mushroom that strated growing. This is the only muchroom in the whole chamber and its not even growing directly off a cake.


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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3151336 - 09/18/04 03:22 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Growing from one of the wetter locations. :wink: whats that tell ya?

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: Magash]
    #3151340 - 09/18/04 03:24 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Soggy verm is a good thing in the mind of a mushie BTW.

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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: CreamSoda]
    #3151700 - 09/18/04 05:42 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Tell us about your substrate? Is it BRF/Verm? What kind of BRF? Some non-organic BRF have pesticides and preservatives that will ultimately inhibit your fungus.


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Re: Still nothing after two weeks. Very confused. [Re: Diploid]
    #3151739 - 09/18/04 06:12 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I would put it in front of a window, indirect sunlight. I bet if you put them in front of a window and give them some good light they will pin.

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