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martyrdom
    #3138479 - 09/15/04 01:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

back in the 60's some vietnamese buddhist monks were burning themselves to death as a form of protest. i'm sure you've all seen this picture before:



something tells me that if you want to give your life for a cause, something like this is a hell of a lot more effective at rallying support than blowing up scores of innocent people.

just a thought.


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Re: martyrdom [Re: ]
    #3138512 - 09/15/04 01:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

It might've been back then. Nowadays we're so jaded, it doesn't make much of an impact. Spreading terror by murdering your opponents is much more effective.

Btw, several people do shit like this (burning themselves) every year, you just don't get to hear about it on Fox.


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Re: martyrdom [Re: ]
    #3138518 - 09/15/04 01:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

just a thought.

Think Bush and Cheney should have done it as a protest against Saddam?


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Re: martyrdom [Re: Xlea321]
    #3138784 - 09/15/04 03:10 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Or even better, how about every foreigner against Bush and Cheney does it. That would be awesome and their point sure would stand out as them being a bunch of fuckin idiots. I hope they do it.


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Re: martyrdom [Re: Stein]
    #3139344 - 09/15/04 05:34 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

awesome idea. maybe some people on this board could volunteer.  :grin:


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Re: martyrdom [Re: ]
    #3139471 - 09/15/04 06:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:
back in the 60's some vietnamese buddhist monks were burning themselves to death as a form of protest. i'm sure you've all seen this picture before:



something tells me that if you want to give your life for a cause, something like this is a hell of a lot more effective at rallying support than blowing up scores of innocent people.

just a thought.




That wouldn't work. The IDF would simply say, "Finally they're doing something good - they're lighting themselves on fire!"


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Re: martyrdom [Re: ]
    #3139776 - 09/15/04 07:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

If you compare the early Christian martyrs who gave us the concept of martyrdom to today's Islamic martry's you see some very telling things:

The Christians were not killing other people. Most of the time they did not choose to die when they didn't have to. In my opinion those two things are the difference between martyr and murder.


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Re: martyrdom [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3139787 - 09/15/04 07:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

the Christians were not killing other people.




Do the Crusades mean anything to you?


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Re: martyrdom [Re: Zahid]
    #3139802 - 09/15/04 07:24 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

At least they weren't saying that the people they kill to free a region would be sent to heaven...


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Re: martyrdom [Re: downforpot]
    #3139806 - 09/15/04 07:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Who and what ever said that?


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Re: martyrdom [Re: Zahid]
    #3139808 - 09/15/04 07:26 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

The fuckers in Iraq when they kill tons of civilians and call that collateral damage, saying they will be sent to heaven.


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Re: martyrdom [Re: downforpot]
    #3139815 - 09/15/04 07:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You were not there, how the hell do you know?

Source please.


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Re: martyrdom [Re: Zahid]
    #3139835 - 09/15/04 07:31 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/TashbihSayyed40322.htm

You're a muslim, shouldn't you be an expert on what the Koran says? I bet you know that Muslims justify this shit, but why would you admit it?


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Re: martyrdom [Re: downforpot]
    #3139863 - 09/15/04 07:37 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

That's one of the links Great_Satan posted.

Those verses are misquoted, and misinterpreted. There are similiar violent verses in the Bible that are commonly forgotten because few people are actually learned in the religion.

And how is that any different from the Crusades?

Do you know where the saying "Kill them all and let God sort them out." came from?

It is quoted by Richard the Lion Heart, who lead the Crusades when he was asked by one of his men, "What do you we do about the Arab Christians?"


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Re: martyrdom [Re: Zahid]
    #3139872 - 09/15/04 07:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Here's some more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3632462.stm

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000449.php

There's tons of this shit, I have heard tons of statements, oh wait, ITS PROBABLY PROPAGHANDA!!!


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Re: martyrdom [Re: Zahid]
    #3139890 - 09/15/04 07:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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Zahid said:


There are similiar violent verses in the Bible that are commonly forgotten because few people are actually learned in the religion.





Right, except almost every christian doesn't give a fuck about that shit. They stopped buying into a lot of that shit cause it didn't bring them shit. It is bringing more death to Muslims though, anything else?


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Re: martyrdom [Re: downforpot]
    #3139891 - 09/15/04 07:41 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Do you know where the saying "Kill them all and let God sort them out." came from?

It is quoted by Richard the Lion Heart, who lead the Crusades when he was asked by one of his men, "What do you we do about the Arab Christians?"




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Re: martyrdom [Re: Zahid]
    #3139900 - 09/15/04 07:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I don't hear the US saying that shit when they drop a fucking bomb by accident on civlians. But I do hear you saying that shit when bombs are dropped on civlians on PURPOSE.


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Re: martyrdom [Re: downforpot]
    #3139901 - 09/15/04 07:43 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

downforpot said:
Right,





Thank you, that's all I needed. My point stands.


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Re: martyrdom [Re: downforpot]
    #3139904 - 09/15/04 07:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Are you a closet Christian?


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