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OfflineWulff
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Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics)
    #3134659 - 09/14/04 04:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys. This is my imaginary friend's second grow. He'd like some feed back and to ask a few questions about what's going on with his batch. There were orginally 36 BRF PFTek cakes, one was contaminated with black mold while incubating, the rest were all pretty much 100% colonized with no major problems. He put the best 8 into his first casing, second best 8 into his second casing, and remaining 18 into an aquarium with perlite at the base. (Yes, that leaves one extra cake, which is sitting in his desk in the jar still... he hasn't decided what to do with it). The perlite cakes have been in the aquarium 9 [edit: not 19] days. Here's some pics of how the cakes are going:

You can see that some cakes aren't pinning at all or very little. There is also a wierd stem color blob on one cake. Here's a better shot of that:

Will this thing pin mushrooms. Will it grow out to a more defined blob that I can harvest and eat?

Then there is the casings. The first casing (the one with the best cakes in it) incubated at a much faster rate so my imaginary friend birthed it into an aquarium after 3 days, after coldshocking it for 12 hours (It's warm where my imaginary friend lives, >80 inside a lot of the time). Here's a shot of the casing now (6 days after being birthed):

How even of a pin set do you guys think this will produce? Here is a closer shot of the surface:

Are those knots looking about what my friend wants? The past few days have been cooler so the temps haven't climbed above 80. When it was warmer he had all three aquariums on a large tupperware container which he rountinely stocked with ice to cool everything down a bit. Do you think he should ice everything down to get pins (and more pins on the cakes)?
The slower casing was birthed one and a half days later. He cold shocked if 24 hours and it has been out for 4 days now. Here's a pic:

Does this need to incubate more? Should he ice everything down to drop the temps to around 70 for a day or so?

Welp, that's everything so far. My friend has been fanning with a magazine and small room fan every three or for hours. Also has been misting when needed but lately my friend decided to lay off on the mist due to the mycelium growth on the stems. Any comments and sugestions would be great.

Thanks for looking!


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Wulff]
    #3134718 - 09/14/04 04:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like you need to do some patch casing to me.  Especially that first casing.    Once you see mycelium poking through the casing layer, but the surface of the casing is not yet colonized, you should initiate pinning.  Look at this:  http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23444

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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: atomic1]
    #3134737 - 09/14/04 04:28 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Really? I figured with the knots that far along and the mycelium covering more than 2/3s of the surface it would be better to leave it alone. Patch casing would mean covering almost all of the surface again. I should still do it?

What about the second casing? Don't patch?

Edit: Ok, I see what you mean. So it would be better to cover that whole left colonized portion with casing soil than leave it the way it is. But it has been in the chamber with light, fanning, and FAE for 5 days and continues to grow. It's GT. Should I patch and then ice it down or leave it be after I patch?


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Wulff]
    #3134832 - 09/14/04 04:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Thats what i would've done but you've got me second guessing myself since you've got those knots. I'd like to hear what someone else has to say.


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: atomic1]
    #3134874 - 09/14/04 04:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

...so would I...
Seems like those knots are just about to pin.


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: atomic1]
    #3134877 - 09/14/04 04:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

>But it has been in the chamber with light, fanning, and FAE for 5 days

Too late, don't patch it. If it took 5 days to get to that stage you are fine. Then again if you put a very thin layer or just sprinkled a tiny bit onto it I don't see how that could hurt it.

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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: fastfred]
    #3134927 - 09/14/04 05:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

But what would it do to help? Initiate pinning faster?


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Wulff]
    #3134977 - 09/14/04 05:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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But what would it do to help? Initiate pinning faster?




that will come in time...


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Wulff]
    #3135165 - 09/14/04 06:08 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Overlay isnt as big a problem as many make it sound. At least not in my opinion any way. I am sure that its better to not let it overlay in the first place but as far as ive seen, once it overlays you should just let it go. recasing just slows things down. You are already seeing pins so I would let it go.

Look at this pic....many said it was BADLY overlayed but I stuck to my gut and let it go.



Here is the results




I dont like to mess with my casings after they get that far along..
I let nature take its course.

Just my 2 cents


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Max1]
    #3135212 - 09/14/04 06:19 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Max I feel exactly the same way.

Here is a old post of mine on just that

A little something on overlay
Not all of it is  that bad. The stuff that looks like a doormat is what you want to avoid. The stuff that looks like white pudding will pin. This is for those of us who are to lazy to patch.

turns to then to

I'm not saying it's a good thing, but a lot of people overly panic over it.  :grin:


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Magash]
    #3135585 - 09/14/04 07:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Mag, what type of casing did you use for that- and what temperature did you fruit it at? I'm just worried because the knots are just becoming fatter and more pronounced. They are looking more and more like big white beans on dirt and in some places small califlower. What was the time difference between your first picture and your second?

I could just be tripping out and its just about to pin, but it'd nice to know for peace of mind that I'm on the right track.


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Max1]
    #3135671 - 09/14/04 07:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Overlay isnt as big a problem as many make it sound. At least not in my opinion any way. I am sure that its better to not let it overlay in the first place but as far as ive seen, once it overlays you should just let it go. recasing just slows things down. You are already seeing pins so I would let it go.

Look at this pic....many said it was BADLY overlayed but I stuck to my gut and let it go.



Here is the results




I dont like to mess with my casings after they get that far along..
I let nature take its course.

Just my 2 cents


Whoever said that was overlayed knows nothing my friend as that is as near perfect as a casing can look especially if thats 4-5 days after initiating (that would be absolutely perfect initiation timing! Nice job Max1


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: hyphae]
    #3135866 - 09/14/04 08:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hell yeah, max! Both pictures are picture perfect. Bravo!


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Max1]
    #3136024 - 09/14/04 09:26 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Max1 said:
Overlay isnt as big a problem as many make it sound. At least not in my opinion any way. I am sure that its better to not let it overlay in the first place but as far as ive seen, once it overlays you should just let it go. recasing just slows things down. You are already seeing pins so I would let it go.

Look at this pic....many said it was BADLY overlayed but I stuck to my gut and let it go.



Here is the results




I dont like to mess with my casings after they get that far along..
I let nature take its course.

Just my 2 cents




whoever said yours was overlaid was retarded, that is a very nice looking casing and im not suprised at all at the results... the pics in the top of this tread however are very badly overlaid lol...


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Tremor1127]
    #3136031 - 09/14/04 09:27 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

whoops, looks like a copycat post, just good eyes...


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Tremor1127]
    #3136823 - 09/15/04 12:20 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Wait... my first casing is "badly overlaid"? When I posted these pics I wasn't thinking it was overlaid at all. If this is the case what should I do? Will coldshocking again help? Covering the whole casing with anohter layer of dirt? What exactly makes my casing overlaid. Is it the clumps of mycelium as oposed to the wispy look of the other pics posted? I really want to do what I can to get a good flush here- if I'm not on the way what can I do to change that?(before it's too late)


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Wulff]
    #3137209 - 09/15/04 02:08 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Whoa, there! Tremor was talking about and showing pics of his first casing, which people told him was badly overlaid. But they were intensely wrong.

Yours are fine, it seems. You could 'patch' them both though, just a light layer (just enough to cover) over all the visible white stuff. You should redo this each time until it comes in very even, just like the pics Tremor posted above.


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Spudz76]
    #3145284 - 09/16/04 09:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Spudz76 said:
Whoa, there! Tremor was talking about and showing pics of his first casing, which people told him was badly overlaid. But they were intensely wrong.





your lost dude... none of these pics in this thread were posted by me...


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Tremor1127]
    #3145834 - 09/16/04 11:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yep that was Max's casings that were "badly overlaid" (not).


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Re: Can I get some expert opinions? (many pics) [Re: Wulff]
    #15937470 - 03/12/12 02:18 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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