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OfflineSterile
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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Anonymous]
    #314467 - 05/11/01 10:33 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

well.....as i see it....there are no "ramsey-seal" users....
cos as i see :) ramsey seal, means a completely different thing to every shroomer on this earth,heh
Pavlov's dog, with your last reply u finnaly pictured what I thought it was....and if u do that: |_| type of thing,verm wouldnt slip in substrate would it? so it is some better protection.....

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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Sterile]
    #314469 - 05/11/01 10:40 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I guess its good then, I've always interpreted it as more of a \___/ , like the instructions say, to make a 'pool'.
guess thats settled then

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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Sterile]
    #314476 - 05/11/01 11:03 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

sterile, I'm going to tell you this...I like pavlov's dog took a 100% loss from using ramsey seal. now if it had been 50 % I might try to work with it more but after a 100% loss...forget it. this is why it's dumb. now quit using all the sock puppets to back up your arguement, do you hear people saying good things about the ramsey seal every day? no. why? because it sucks ass, It's not worth the time or the effort, anybody who has tried it will agree. I like all the newbies who showed up all of a sudden talking about how great it is, BULLSHIT, Don't try to convience me any different because it don't work, it won't work, and it is a stupid ass thing to do so get off it will ya???

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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Taz]
    #314482 - 05/11/01 11:30 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Geez taz, chill out my brutha... I felt that this was more of a freindly debate myself :tongue:

Seriously taz,  the 'ramsey seal' method would actually work, though not neccessary, if it were utilized in the ' |___| ' form, but if used the way the MMGG, which is a -PF-TEK- ripoff, says to do it "by making a small pool" like this -->  \____/ , then it is crap.

whaddaya think there taz ol' buddy?! 



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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Taz]
    #314484 - 05/11/01 11:37 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I too, had a 100% failure rate using the ramsey seal my first and only time.



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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Taz]
    #314736 - 05/11/01 08:38 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Taz-taz-taz......,heh, do u think we all have nothing else to do, but sit right here on the shroomery and make sock puppets? Well, this might surprise you,but no.
I have better things to do.And to prove to you how outrageous your theory is....just take another look at this thread....(CAREFULLY THIS TIME)......little Taz reads on......and all of a sudden!! He realizes that....hey! "What am i stupid?" "Sterile has no reason to allege that the ramsey-seal works! In fact, he is trying to find out!"......heh, this is not a flame Taz.Before you attack your keyboard now,listen....
I have noticed that you are quite excitable lately....calm down mate, and if there is something that bothers you, speak up!
As you know, this site is full of young+old mycologists, hippies,ravers,shamans(?) ,and generaly,people kind & sensitive,with warm hearts,that will be glad to hear you.(including me!)...So dont be shy, relax, and give it a second thought before you...ATTACK! heh.bye!

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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Sterile]
    #314849 - 05/11/01 10:34 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I've used the Ramsey-Seal 3 times and never had any trouble? Whats with this?

However, I've never tried the straight PF way, and it might be a bit better but its always seemed to me that during boiling the Verm for the seal will get "Wet" and not do its job properly where as with the Ramsey seal I dont seem to have many problems.

However, I'll try the staight PF method on my next set of jars (gonna be Trops) and I'll see what happens. How about that?

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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Maddoc]
    #314897 - 05/11/01 11:31 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Why not split your next batch between the two methods since you haven't had any problems w/the Ramsey-Seal and post the results. I believe unless you are using both,at the same time, w/ the same strain, substrate, environmantal factors,etc., some people will have a hard time knowing what to believe. Implementing the scientific method and experimenting for yourself is the only way to be sure no other factors affected the flush. Though there seem to be alot of spirits here who have had problems w/ Ramsey.

Hey Taz,
While I am positive from reading your post that you have more experience than I regarding the cultivation of these gifts. You shouldn't assume all newbies(or lowly strangers such as myself) are completely ignorant concerning the topic. Maybe some simply don't know shit about computers or the internet and have just started using the information highway. Shit bro, I didn't even know you could have a free e-mail account until a couple months ago.



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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Sterile]
    #315694 - 05/12/01 10:19 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

ok, ok, I apologize for jumping on you sterile, and anybody else who I affended, I have read numerous post where people were pissed from useing this method. it's not vary popular for a reason. and just so all know's, I do not claim to know more than everybody, I do know more than some and some people know more than me, ok, it may work for you but it didn't work for me at all and there is no way I will try it again. you are right about the info sharing sterile, absolutely right. I know I sometimes express my views to strongly but you got to respect that I stand behind what I believe in, just like I respect you for your input, I don't mean to be an ass and am sorry for being that way, it's just that I want to see newbies succeed and when someone post garbage I know for a fact they will fail you better believe I'll be there to say so.

I hear people telling newbies to try shit there first time and it's bullshit. a newbie should do the most simple thing then move on. this will instill greater understanding for them. ok tell a newbie to try the 50/50+ casing tek next week they post WTF everthing is lost to contams, discouragement sets in, some will never try it again because they feel they can't succeed. you want to help people, help them understand, it's like taking a third grader and trying to teach them advance trig when they don't understand the simple math yet, do you see where I'm coming from?

It's all good sterile I don't see you as a flamer I've seen many of your post and your not like that, sorry for being an ass to you I guess I missunderstood where you was going with this that's all. peace broziiiiiiiiiii

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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Taz]
    #315758 - 05/12/01 11:33 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

:) cool Taz , its ok, i like the way you protect newbies... :)
I wish all of the shroomerites where so nice to them :)
Most are though!
And, yes the normal pf verm layer ,is more simple than the.....
"Ramsey-SEALS"(!!!)
LOL


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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Sterile]
    #315764 - 05/12/01 11:41 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I tried ramsey seals on a half dozen jars that all got contamed, although it was my fault, water content was way off and I bioled my jars in a pot with a lid off. But now I use pint jars with polyfill. Polyfill is just polyester fiber, take the lid of your jar and cut a 1/2" hole and pull a big wad of polyfill through till it sticks out both ends and fits snugly. Then when you want to sterilize just fill your jars with substrate, put tinfoil on top, and sterilize.



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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Psilocybin]
    #315816 - 05/13/01 01:11 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Where can one find polyfill?

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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Psilocybin]
    #315822 - 05/13/01 01:20 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

When I first started out, I used the regular old vermiculite seal, and got 100% contamination. Twice. I then tried the Ramsey seal (with the foil in the l__l position) and only one of the jars got contaminated. I've used it ever since (about ten times total), never losing more than one jar per batch. I think that both seals work well enough, and that contamination is probably caused mostly by other factors. (I think my second attempt failed because the contents of the syringe were contaminated.)

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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Sterile]
    #315847 - 05/13/01 01:59 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Sterile, you can get polifill at any craft/fabric store.... it comes in a bag about the size of a pillow. It is used for stuffing, it should say 100% polyester fiber.



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Re: Ramsey-Seal users...SHOW UP! [Re: Anonymous]
    #316014 - 05/13/01 08:41 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Thanx Pav.d....

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