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[PSILOCYBIN EXTRACT] Doses and Prices
    #3131454 - 09/13/04 10:19 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

I have recently come into the opportunity to purchase psilocybin extract.

The quote amt/price is .2 grams for 20 bucks. I checked out erowid and found that .02 grams is a "heavy dose", so I am not sure about what I am getting myself into.

What do you all think?

PS- word, im new.

Gallium


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Re: [PSILOCYBIN EXTRACT] Doses and Prices [Re: Gallium]
    #3131479 - 09/13/04 10:22 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

i dont think it's gonna be psilocybin extract, personally..

i've never even heard of that  :undecided:


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Re: [PSILOCYBIN EXTRACT] Doses and Prices [Re: lukeboots]
    #3131569 - 09/13/04 10:36 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

it is a pretty simple process to get the extract:

get mushrooms
grind mushrooms
set in methanol with magnetic stirrer for 12 hours
filter out psilocybin/MeOH liquid onto a plate
let dry for a day or two
scrape up the crystal

bam extract.

but I dont know prices or doses.

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Re: [PSILOCYBIN EXTRACT] Doses and Prices [Re: Gallium]
    #3131739 - 09/13/04 11:01 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

but it's an even easier process to order some research chems in bulk off the internet, and then sell them to people claiming they are mesc or psilocybin... just be careful!


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Re: [PSILOCYBIN EXTRACT] Doses and Prices [Re: Krishna]
    #3131769 - 09/13/04 11:04 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

I heard there was a big crackdown on RC's
how is the market faring now?


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Re: [PSILOCYBIN EXTRACT] Doses and Prices [Re: cybrbeast]
    #3131778 - 09/13/04 11:06 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

no idea... i try to limit my pharmaceutical intake :smile: but afoaf got some "acid" last summer that was most definitely AMT


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Re: [PSILOCYBIN EXTRACT] Doses and Prices [Re: Krishna]
    #3131893 - 09/13/04 11:25 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

I knew someone who bought what they thought was mescaline. Turns out it was 5 meo amt. I told them thats what its was for a while but no one really believed me. Then their dealer finaly confessed recently :lol:. Looks like they should have done their research.


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Re: [PSILOCYBIN EXTRACT] Doses and Prices [Re: Gallium]
    #3131899 - 09/13/04 11:26 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

unless you really know the source its prolly a rc.


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Re: [PSILOCYBIN EXTRACT] Doses and Prices [Re: Gallium]
    #3131900 - 09/13/04 11:26 PM (13 years, 14 days ago)

Unless you're dealing with a reputable chemical supplier, then you're just going to get ripped off. To buy enough mushrooms to have 2 mg of psilocybin extracted (and with a 100% extraction) would cost at least a thousand dollars. I guess a heavy dose is 5 grams, which could be sold for $30, if not more. You are getting 100 times (so $3000) that for $20, yea... use some common sense man.


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    #3132679 - 09/14/04 01:51 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

hey i did use common sense by asking you guys.

and I smelled something fishy, but that doesnt mean im not going to figure out more about what is going on.

I am going off second hand source, i am meeting the guy tommorow.

The thought of putting some of the chemical in water to see if it turns blue i thought was a good idea.

and as for research chemicals, can you guys tell me how to order these off the net? I assume that they are unscheduled and therefore still technically "legal".

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Re: word 2 [Re: Gallium]
    #3132686 - 09/14/04 01:53 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

not really anymore... you missed the boat with the rc's


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    #3132734 - 09/14/04 02:06 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

so what is the "thing to do" on the internet then?

I have stayed away from any kinds of e-deals but from what i understand LSD trade is booming through the internet along with weed and other drugs.

I feel sketched just asking about it, but what can you tell me? Are there legal alternatives? just how rampant is e-dealing? im just a chem student in colorado and have no idea about the non-porn underside of the internet

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Re: [PSILOCYBIN EXTRACT] Doses and Prices [Re: Letto]
    #3132830 - 09/14/04 02:25 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

WTF are you talking about man!?!? 3000$ worth of mushrooms in 0.2g???
Do you think mg means Mega Grams or something???

Common doses for pure psilocybin (from TIHKAL) range from 10 - 20 mg.
Cubensis mushrooms are about .6-1% psilocybin/psilocin. So in other words 5 grams (aka 5000 milligrams) of dried mushrooms (a heavy dose) might be expected to contain from 30 to 50 mg of pure psilocybin.
So if you had 200 milligrams (0.2g) of pure psilocybin it would be 4 heavy doses or the equivalent of 20 grams of the best dried mushrooms.
Of course that isn't the most likely case with an extraction of that kind, and your 0.2g extract could really contain any amount of psilocybin up to the amount in that example, or down to nothing. But it's certainly very believable that 200mg of a crude extract would be 1 heavy dose of 30-50mg of psilocybin. So 1 heavy dose (4 or 5g) of mushrooms for 20 bucks? Sounds like standard price to me...
Letto's post was completely off the mark.
So...Dose/Pricing question answered...as for the identity of the product - It MIGHT be RCs of course, but it might just as easily ACTUALLY be a psilocybin extraction. For a lot of people mushrooms are alot EASIER and CHEAPER to get these days than RCs, and an extraction with yields as described is a very simple process that might increase the marketability of shrooms for a dealer.

That's my two cents. Peace!


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Re: [PSILOCYBIN EXTRACT] Doses and Prices [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3132860 - 09/14/04 02:34 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

^^^word


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    #3132906 - 09/14/04 02:49 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

yo murph...

do you think that if i chipped off a bit of the pill.powder.whatever it turns out to be and put it in water, blue would indicate the presnece of psilocybin?

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Re: h4xor [Re: Gallium]
    #3132963 - 09/14/04 03:19 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

I'm not exactly sure about this one but from what I believe:
Relatively pure psilocybin powder (white crystals) or resin or whatever will most likely not be blue in water. From my understanding it is another chemical present in psilocybin mushrooms that causes some liquid extractions (methanol/ethanol) to appear blue.

I could be completely wrong though, Im gonna look into that.

In anycase if you really don't want to get ripped or take RCs, why not pass and just buy mushrooms? Or, if you don't care either way as long as you trip, then just ask someone you know who has done it.


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Re: h4xor [Re: Gallium]
    #3132966 - 09/14/04 03:21 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

Just to remind you guys, methanol is a bad solvent for extracting something that you are going to consume later ... I know it disolves preety good, better than most other alcohols but it is poisonous and not much MeOH is needed to cause blindness.
You can rather use isopropyl or ethyl alcohol ...
Acetone could be good too, but i heard that it can sometimes brake down the molecules so i don't know about it ...


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Re: h4xor [Re: baltazar]
    #3132989 - 09/14/04 03:33 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

best to use other then methanol would be a 50:50 vinegar water solution

but methanol is the best.



and I dont have any mush around here at the moment, and i havent tripped in a while so this sounded intriguing

i will check this thread tommorow

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Re: h4xor [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #3133006 - 09/14/04 03:41 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

"In our investigations psilocin could be found in high concentrations as well as psilocybin after simple extraction with methanol from various species (Gartz 1987, 1989c, 1991). "

"...enzymes were also extracted with the water containing solvents and caused a partial dephosphorylation of psilocybin to psilocin (Tables 1 and 3). By using these aqueous solutions it was also observed that in some cases bluish mixtures have been resulted after extraction as a sign of partial oxydation of psilocin (BOCKS 1968, Gartz 1989a, Weber and Horita 1963"

"A tincture may be prepared from psilocybe mushroom species with five dry grams to 35ml ethanol. The mushrooms yield a wonderful blue psilocybin solution known as "blue juice"."

So, yeah, some extractions give blue liquid, but never did anyone say that psilocybin/psilocin added to water turns the water blue.

This thread has some good talk about extracting from shrooms:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat-Number-2227550-sb-11-fpart-all.html

apparently, relatively pure crystals are possible just using ethanol!
(scroll down to acidhead's post 4/5 down the page)


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Re: h4xor [Re: baltazar]
    #3133008 - 09/14/04 03:42 AM (13 years, 14 days ago)

>Just to remind you guys, methanol is a bad solvent for extracting something that you are going to consume later ...

Not if you evaporate the methanol beforehand...


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