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HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!!
    #3131257 - 09/13/04 09:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'm so happy that a bunch of guys with small penises and huge egos can now again buy mahcine guns. What an amazing day, I'm sure the NRA is happy that the public can buy automatic guns again. I feel so much safer from terrorism knowing that Billy-Bob down the street is packing an AK. I think we should lift the ban on personal nuclear weapons, rpgs and mortar rounds. Lets just all have arsenals, because thats what this country is all about right?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131271 - 09/13/04 09:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Dude, have you ever hunted, those deer sure are willy....... :grin:


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131279 - 09/13/04 09:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Also in the news, marijuana remains illegal.






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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131285 - 09/13/04 09:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If you'd bother to inform yourself rather than typing out yet another knee-jerk Pavlovian response to an issue the Lefties have successfully indoctrinated you on, you'd know that not a single phrase in the above post bears even a nodding acquaintance with reality.

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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131336 - 09/13/04 09:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Check the ban, king. It's to ban assault rifles, not automatic weapons, automatic weapons have been banned for a long ass fucking time.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131342 - 09/13/04 09:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Dude...for the zillionth time...I think I have said this in about
five posts...

Automatic weapons are illegal in the U.S. You can only get them if
you have a very hard to get, expensive, and background search
intensive license. Usually, only gun dealers have it.

The Assault Rifle ban applies to SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons. This
ban did not make the semi-automatic assault rifles illegal. It
made it so that certain accessories on NEWLY manufactured guns were
not allowed or they were regulated. So, the guns themselves remained
legal throughout 1994-2004 and the guns that were manufactured before
the ban(the guns that had all of the "bad" characteristics) were
allowed to remain legal and in circulation. For the gazillionth
time...This law did absolutely nothing...even from an anti-gun
position. It is a useless and symbolic law that served
absolutely no purpose(other than to misinform people in my opinion).


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131401 - 09/13/04 10:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

KingOftheThing said:
I'm so happy that a bunch of guys with small penises and huge egos can now again buy mahcine guns. What an amazing day, I'm sure the NRA is happy that the public can buy automatic guns again.



Automatic weapons are still illegial. This has not changed since 1934 I believe.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Skikid16]
    #3131411 - 09/13/04 10:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Skikid16 said:
Dude, have you ever hunted, those deer sure are willy....... :grin:



The second ammendment is not about hunting. All of the anti-gun people need to get this through their heads.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: z@z.com]
    #3131415 - 09/13/04 10:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

ok well i feel stupid if this is all true.... maybe ill read up on it more...i guess im victim of just hearing stuff


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131452 - 09/13/04 10:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

There's a lot of misinformation out there about gun laws. That's why they keep passing more of them.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131463 - 09/13/04 10:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'm so happy that a bunch of guys with small penises and huge egos can now again buy mahcine guns. I feel so much safer from terrorism knowing that Billy-Bob down the street is packing an AK.

congratulations. you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3131486 - 09/13/04 10:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

In a related note, marijuana kills brain cells.


That is all.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131513 - 09/13/04 10:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)


I'm so happy that a bunch of guys with small penises and huge egos
can now again buy mahcine guns

Weeell heeeeck....
I cain't wait to get me a tricked out AR-15  Wooooooo doggies!!!

By the way, my penis is above average in size

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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: z@z.com]
    #3131528 - 09/13/04 10:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

The second ammendment is not about hunting. All of the anti-gun people need to get this through their heads.


I understand that it is not about hunting, its the right to bear arms.  Now which arms should you have a right to bear, well, that's up for debate.

Damn man, did you not notice the  :grin:, which generally, in western cultures, connotates a degree of joviality?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3131555 - 09/13/04 10:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:
Dude...for the zillionth time...I think I have said this in about
five posts...

Automatic weapons are illegal in the U.S.  You can only get them if
you have a very hard to get, expensive, and background search
intensive license.  Usually, only gun dealers have it.





Well I am going to correct you. :wink:

Owning a Class 3 weapon requires a background check that validates that you are not felon. (Cost: 0$) Some areas have a "Decline all" attitude. Because of this there are now 5 ways to get approved.

#1 local sheriff.
#2 local police commissioner.
#3 The SO of the Local FBI Field office.
#4 The SO of the local ATF office.
#5 Incorporate. Corporations can own full automatic weapons with out the background check.

Tax on purchase of a class 3 weapon is $200 per automatic weapon. 5$ per short barrel shotgun or silencer.

Oh and the M60 will run you a cool $5000! Man they are a blast to shoot!



Rates of fire:
Cyclic: 550 rounds per minute
Rapid: 100 rounds per minute*
Sustained: 100 rounds per minute*

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The Assault Rifle ban applies to SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons.  This
ban did not make the semi-automatic assault rifles illegal.  It
made it so that certain accessories on NEWLY manufactured guns were
not allowed or they were regulated.  So, the guns themselves remained
legal throughout 1994-2004 and the guns that were manufactured before
the ban(the guns that had all of the "bad" characteristics) were
allowed to remain legal and in circulation.  For the gazillionth
time...This law did absolutely nothing...even from an anti-gun
position.  It is a useless and symbolic law that served
absolutely no purpose(other than to misinform people in my opinion).




The "Bad Characteristics" were almost laughable!

#1 A semiautomatic rifle that can accept a detachable magazine and has more than one of the following features: pistol grip, folding or telescoping stock, flash suppressor, threaded barrel, grenade launcher, or bayonet lug.
#2 A semiautomatic shotgun that has more than one of the following features: pistol grip, folding or telescoping stock, detachable magazine, fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds.
#3 A semiautomatic pistol that can accept a detachable magazine that has more than one of the following features: magazine attaches to the pistol outside the grip, threaded barrel, weight of 1.42 kg or more unloaded, barrel shroud, or a semiautomatic version of a fully automatic firearm.

That is what was in it. My big question is other than cosmetics what does it matter? Is a weapon with a pistol grip and a folding or telescoping stock more dangerous than one with out those?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Skikid16]
    #3131592 - 09/13/04 10:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I did note the :laugh:, but my point stands.
Quote:

I understand that it is not about hunting, its the right to bear arms. Now which arms should you have a right to bear, well, that's up for debate.




"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

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in?fringe
v. in?fringed, in?fring?ing, in?fring?es
v. tr.

  1. To transgress or exceed the limits of; violate: infringe a contract; infringe a patent.
  2. Obsolete. To defeat; invalidate.

v. intr.

    To encroach on someone or something; engage in trespassing: an increased workload that infringed on his personal life.




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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: z@z.com]
    #3131619 - 09/13/04 10:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I hear you, so do you think that militias ( which is a broad term, which gun right activists twist to fit their agenda sometimes) should be allowed to bear ANY arms they can get their hands on?

I mean, if we restrict which weapons, then we have infringed, right?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Cyber]
    #3131655 - 09/13/04 10:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)


Well I am going to correct you.

Please do.

Owning a Class 3 weapon requires a background check that validates
that you are not felon. (Cost: 0$)

Really? I heard to even go about getting an FFL class 3
required a down payment of $1000. I heard that nowadays they were
really bitchy about who they gave it to. I am basing this
information on what I have heard other gun enthusiasts tell me. They
could have been wrong however. I do know for a fact that automatic
rifles and the permit required to go along with them are not
available to anybody who walks in off the street, like the anti-gun
lobby thinks will happen with the expiration of the assault rifle ban.


Some areas have a "Decline all" attitude. Because of this there are
now 5 ways to get approved.

#1 local sheriff.
#2 local police commissioner.
#3 The SO of the Local FBI Field office.
#4 The SO of the local ATF office.
#5 Incorporate. Corporations can own full automatic weapons with out
the background check.

Tax on purchase of a class 3 weapon is $200 per automatic weapon. 5$
per short barrel shotgun or silencer.

Hm..interesting. I might go for my class 3 license. Although,
being wary of the government, I wonder if they will peg me as some
Right-wing "militia" guy and harass me or something.




Oh and the M60 will run you a cool $5000! Man they are a blast to
shoot!

I so want a fully functional MP5(like the Navy Seals use for close
quarters assaults). That gun is so badass.


The "Bad Characteristics" were almost laughable!

I agree.


My big question is other than cosmetics what does it matter? Is a
weapon with a pistol grip and a folding or telescoping stock more
dangerous than one with out those?

No. The anti-gun lobby is not known for being rational
and making efforts to address the gun violence problem in constructive
ways.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Skikid16]
    #3131735 - 09/13/04 11:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Skikid16 said:
I hear you, so do you think that militias ( which is a broad term, which gun right activists twist to fit their agenda sometimes) should be allowed to bear ANY arms they can get their hands on?

I mean, if we restrict which weapons, then we have infringed, right?



First of all there is a difference between arms and ordinance. Arms are small arms (rifles pistols etc) while ordinance are things like cannons.

Second of all the people are the militia.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3131758 - 09/13/04 11:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
Really?  I heard to even go about getting an FFL class 3
required a down payment of $1000.  I heard that nowadays they were
really bitchy about who they gave it to.  I am basing this
information on what I have heard other gun enthusiasts tell me.  They
could have been wrong however.  I do know for a fact that automatic
rifles and the permit required to go along with them are not
available to anybody who walks in off the street, like the anti-gun
lobby thinks will happen with the expiration of the assault rifle ban.





I heard a lot of this stuff before I got my Thompson Submachine gun. Most of it is bunk but make sure to check your state laws. Some states put requirements on the weapon and how it is stored. Just a way to find a reason to turn you down. Oh, If they want to know why you want to own it. Tell them it is an investment. The value doubles every 2 years. :wink:

Quote:



Hm..interesting.  I might go for my class 3 license.  Although,
being wary of the government, I wonder if they will peg me as some
Right-wing "militia" guy and harass me or something.





Normally they don't care as long as you do not have a felony record.


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I so want a fully functional MP5(like the Navy Seals use for close
quarters assaults).  That gun is so badass.





Now you have a problem. Since the Firearms Owners' Protection Act of May 19, 1986, ownership of newly manufactured machine guns has been prohibited to civilians. Machine guns which were manufactured prior to the Act's passage are regulated under the National Firearms Act, but those manufactured after the ban cannot ordinarily be sold to or owned by civilians.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Cyber]
    #3131796 - 09/13/04 11:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Cyber said:
Oh and the M60 will run you a cool $5000! Man they are a blast to shoot!






They sure as hell are fun to shoot if you can afford the ammo. .308 rounds are cheap, but not when you shoot 200 of them.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: z@z.com]
    #3131858 - 09/13/04 11:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

First of all there is a difference between arms and ordinance. Arms are small arms (rifles pistols etc) while ordinance are things like cannons.


I didn't know that, thanks for the clairfication.

Quote:

Second of all the people are the militia.


Ok, so here's where we have an issue, according to the 2nd amendment:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

who has the right, people, or a well regulated militia? I know you say people ARE the militia, but people aren't always well regulated, do you see what I'm getting at?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Skikid16]
    #3131886 - 09/13/04 11:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

A militia is a civilian army. Originally, each state was supposed to have a militia it could call upon(in other words, it could summon its armed citizens) to protect itself from infringements by the federal government. Unfortunately, this has long since been forgotten about.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Skikid16]
    #3131903 - 09/13/04 11:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Skikid16 said:
who has the right, people, or a well regulated militia? I know you say people ARE the militia, but people aren't always well regulated, do you see what I'm getting at?



Well regulated just means well prepared. It is necessary for them to be well prepared in order to maintain a free state. Do you see any free states?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: silversoul7]
    #3131904 - 09/13/04 11:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So is the 2nd amendment dead as we know it, since militias (well except for Michigan, heheheheh) are dead as we know them to be?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: z@z.com]
    #3131912 - 09/13/04 11:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well are there guidlines as to how they should prepare, I'm just looking for something quantifiable to distiguish between joe shmoe and a well regulated militia.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Skikid16]
    #3131913 - 09/13/04 11:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

"A well regulated Militia" is a nominative absolute.

"being necessary to the security of a free State" is a participial phrase modifying "Militia"

The subject (a compound subject) of the sentence is "the right of the people"

"shall not be infringed" is a verb phrase, with "not" as an adverb modifying the verb phrase "shall be infringed"

"to keep and bear Arms" is an infinitive phrase modifying "right"

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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Skikid16]
    #3131915 - 09/13/04 11:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

No, the purpose of it still stands(the protection of the citizens against the federal governement). It's just unfortunate that people don't fulfill this purpose.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3131927 - 09/13/04 11:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

OH my holy god, I know that was a clarification, but damn......

Now I have to look up "nomative absolute" and think about grammar. DAMN YOU MUSHMASTER.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Skikid16]
    #3131936 - 09/13/04 11:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well are there guidlines as to how they should prepare, I'm just looking for something quantifiable to distiguish between joe shmoe and a well regulated militia.

it's irrelevent to the meaning of the second amendment. the militia clause gives but one reason that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". it does not require that one be part of a militia, or even a well-regulated one, in order to be protected by the second amendment.

consider if we had an amendment that stated, "a well-educated electorate being essential to the security of a free state, the right of the people to write and read books shall not be infringed".

this recognizes the right of the people to read and write. a reason is given, but this should not be construed to mean that one must be a registered voter, or even well-educated, to read and write.


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    #3131962 - 09/13/04 11:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I see. I hear you, thank you for the clarification.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3131993 - 09/13/04 11:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ok so mushrooms are illegal but assault weapons are legal. Makes sense to me.

When are we allowed to have thermonuclear devices and anthrax? I might need them just in case some burglar wants to steal my stash.


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    #3132015 - 09/13/04 11:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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outputrotation said:
Ok so mushrooms are illegal but assault weapons are legal. Makes sense to me.



We're still working on that.

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When are we allowed to have thermonuclear devices and anthrax? I might need them just in case some burglar wants to steal my stash.



Nice job in completely ignoring the difference between arms and WMD's.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132026 - 09/13/04 11:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, there's three basic arguments I tend to hear advocates of the second amendment use:

1. "I hunt."
2. "I need to be able to fend off the federal government if need be."
3. "If that nigger down the street has one, then I gosh dang it, I want one!"

The first one, I have absolutely no issue with. Although I don't think there's a need to use assault weapons when hunting. Or if there is, I haven't heard a good reason why.

The second one, I'm pretty cool with too. I knew a few militia guys growing up. They weren't exactly the most level headed people. But I understood and respected what they stood for. Or at least what they said they stood for. I think that as long as militias avoid becoming everyday vigilantes, they should have the right to be armed with assault weapons (although I do think a line has to be drawn somewhere, even with militias).

The third one, I can't fucking stand. The general argument of owning a gun because you want to defend yourself from... other people who bought guns to defend themselves from... other people who bought guns to defend themselves from... other people who bought guns... and so on. It just grows. And you can extend the logic so to suggest that every person should own a gun for self defense. Why? Because there are so many people out there with guns... How about just not buying one and learning to feel secure. Cause I've spent a lot of nights in Harlem and never once felt the least bit threatened.

Anyway, are there laws in place that grant militias special privileges? If so, I think there needs to be a wider gap between what the public can keep in there homes and what militias can stash.

I think gun ownership is maybe the most interesting domestic political issue. That and abortion. I love to hear peoples' opinions.
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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Worf]
    #3132063 - 09/13/04 11:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ok so mushrooms are illegal but assault weapons are legal. Makes sense to me.

does that really sound like a good argument to you?

When are we allowed to have thermonuclear devices and anthrax?

i imagine you might be closer to being allowed to have thermonuclear weapons and anthrax when they pass a constitutional amendment recognizing a right to do so. the second amendment does not.


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    #3132121 - 09/14/04 12:10 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

the right wants abortion illegal and machine guns legal ...so when all the unwanted babies grow up to be thugs and criminals, theyll have guns to kill them with.


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    #3132137 - 09/14/04 12:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

oh and i like it when they say they want those machine guns for "sport shooting" :lol: i have visions of fucktards drinking pabst and blowing away watermelons "for sport". or maybe cletus and wilbur squirel hunting with uzis


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    #3132176 - 09/14/04 12:19 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

yeah? yeah? well... well....


well the left.... they want to take all the guns so that the populace will be complicent and they can turn the country into a socialist regime where they kill all the babies for population control!!!!1

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    #3132196 - 09/14/04 12:23 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

hahaha riiiiight...a lot of us on the left love our guns...we just dont love em in the sick twisted weird way the right does.... im a proud pistol owner, but i am also smart to realize everyone packing arsenals is ridiculous.. i dont have to be a badass with 100000 guns. and for home defense?? these fucking gun tards dont even realize handguns arent the best for home defense. they actually get a chance to kill a robber and shoot their kids or neighbors through walls.....real men know a shotty is the safest gun for your home defense


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132212 - 09/14/04 12:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!!

a bunch of guys with small penises and huge egos can now again buy mahcine guns

Billy-Bob down the street

fucktards drinking pabst and blowing away watermelons "for sport". or maybe cletus and wilbur squirel hunting with uzis

meanwhile, you haven't constructed a single logical, rational argument in support of... anything.

how about instead of regressing to using ignorant negative stereotypes, you actually read up on the issues at hand, make an informed decision based on actual facts, and then try making a post about it?


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    #3132261 - 09/14/04 12:38 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

honestly this issue seems so cut and dry to me im not going to even try to understand the other side.

I think we should be able to have guns
The constitution lets us bare arms
That doesnt mean "all arms" and it doesnt say you have the right to every type of gun that can be produced.
What is one good thing that will come from people owning machine guns?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132266 - 09/14/04 12:39 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

you might want to start by considering these points:

- military-style rifles are easy to operate. they are ergonomically designed so that people of every shape and size can use them. military rifles are generally lightweight, so they are easy to carry and hold.

-military rifles are designed to be reliable. They have to be able to function in virtually every type of environment, whether it is snow, rain, mud, or sand. Civilian versions of these weapons feature similar reliability because they are built to the same manufacturing specifications.

- military rifles don?t have much recoil, so they don?t hurt your shoulder the way some other rifles do. (Shotguns come to mind!)

-military style rifles shoot ammunition that is used by many countries. ammunition for military-style rifles is cheaper and more widely available than ammunition for hunting rifles.

-military-style rifles are very rarely used by criminals, who generally prefer weapons that are cheaper to acquire and easier to conceal.


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    #3132280 - 09/14/04 12:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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-military-style rifles are very rarely used by criminals, who generally prefer weapons that are cheaper to acquire and easier to conceal.



A highly overlooked fact. In fact, they'd be much more effective weapons for waging a revolution than for mugging someone on the street, which is probably why the government is so afraid of them.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132292 - 09/14/04 12:44 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The constitution lets us bare arms
That doesnt mean "all arms"...


actually it does. if it is an "arm" it is protected by the second amendment. the above statement is as silly as saying "the constitution protects freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, but not all cruel and unusual punishment..." sure, the courts will decide what is cruel and unusual, but if it is decided that it is, the constitution protects you from it.

What is one good thing that will come from people owning machine guns?

i'm not opposed to regulations on machine guns. the 1994 assault weapons ban was not a ban on machine guns, but primarily military-style semi-automatic rifles.


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    #3132368 - 09/14/04 12:55 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The constitution lets us bare arms
That doesnt mean "all arms"...


actually it does. if it is an "arm" it is protected by the second amendment. the above statement is as silly as saying "the constitution protects freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, but not all cruel and unusual punishment..." sure, the courts will decide what is cruel and unusual, but if it is decided that it is, the constitution protects you from it.





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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3132387 - 09/14/04 12:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, so this raises the question: Why wasn't Clinton's weapon ban appealed to the Supreme Court (or was it? I have no idea)...?


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    #3132402 - 09/14/04 12:59 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Because the supreme court only supports the constitution when it wants to.


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    #3132414 - 09/14/04 01:01 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

nice cartoon. seems that yet another "journalist" has mistakenly conveyed the idea that the assault weapons ban addressed ownership of fully-automatic weapons. i can't tell you how many articles i've read over the past week that did the same.

i am not opposed to reasonable regulations on firearms. children, the mentally ill, and convicted criminals should be barred from owning firearms. clearly there are certain types of weapons that no private citizen should be permitted to own.

however, the 1994 assault weapons ban was not a reasonable policy, and those who pressed hardest for it were not concerned with reasonable regulation, but with prohibiting any gun they could. "assault weapons" were not banned because they were more dangerous to public safety than other weapons, or were used more extensively in crimes, or anything of the sort. they were banned because they could be.


"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons ? anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun ? can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."

- Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center


the "assault weapons" ban was not a good law. it was an oppurtunistic gun-grab that played on public ignorance and did nothing but keep everyday gun-owners from acquiring firearms that were made to be reliable, comfortable, fun, and inexpensive to shoot.


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    #3132424 - 09/14/04 01:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

apples oranges

i know... the second amendment is, afterall, not really part of the bill of rights... kinda like the tenth, correct?

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    #3132440 - 09/14/04 01:07 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

no its there and i support it but you made a supid point comparing two unlike things


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    #3132451 - 09/14/04 01:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, so this raises the question: Why wasn't Clinton's weapon ban appealed to the Supreme Court (or was it? I have no idea)...?

depending on how one defines "arms" the ban may or may not have been unconstitutional. the assault weapons ban was not an out-and-out violation of the second amendment, as say... banning guns entirely in certain metropolitan areas is.

you'll notice that i haven't been arguing against it on second amendment grounds (a poor foundation for any pro-gun rights position), but on the actual facts of the situation.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3133147 - 09/14/04 05:37 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So you still speak without a clue.

I'm guessing you'll never change.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3133159 - 09/14/04 05:48 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

apples oranges



So, you know as little about fruit as you do about the "asault wapons" law.

A bit of reading before your next rant seems like it would help you.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3133226 - 09/14/04 06:41 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

While there are good reasons for the 2nd amendment, and there were very good arguments for removing the flawed 'assault weapons' bill, this does not exempt the rednecks in this thread from the title 'gun nuts'.

Yiha, guns are cool. And oh yeah, I've got a fully functional MP5 lying here. Drooling yet, American fucktards?

Why are there so many sad redneck fucks on The Shroomery?


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    #3133311 - 09/14/04 08:08 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

z@z.com said:
Quote:

Cyber said:
Oh and the M60 will run you a cool $5000! Man they are a blast to shoot!






They sure as hell are fun to shoot if you can afford the ammo. .308 rounds are cheap, but not when you shoot 200 of them.




Umm 100 per minute. They are not bad when you buy them in cases of 1000 rounds.


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    #3133341 - 09/14/04 08:46 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Yiha, guns are cool. And oh yeah, I've got a fully functional MP5 lying here. Drooling yet, American fucktards?

Why are there so many sad redneck fucks on The Shroomery?




:mad2:

Because us REDNECKS have cows, our cows shit, mushrooms grow on our cows shit, we pick the mushrooms and eat/sell them, we gained interest in the topic and found the shroomery.

Why are there so many illinformed, poorly educated, individuals who have lost touch with reality, like you on the shroomery?

:mad2:

Sorry about that little rant. I find the use of the word "REDNECK" very derogatory and offensive! Similar to the use of the words NIGGER, SPIC, CHINK, ETC. It just shows an individuals ignorance!


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    #3133397 - 09/14/04 09:33 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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well the left.... they want to take all the guns so that the populace will be complicent and they can turn the country into a socialist regime where they kill all the babies for population control!!!!1



Do you really think that way of thinking is valid when the government has f-16. The 2nd amendment can not protect us from a corrupt government unless we as individuals are allowed to possess nuclear bombs.


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    #3133400 - 09/14/04 09:36 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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A highly overlooked fact. In fact, they'd be much more effective weapons for waging a revolution than for mugging someone on the street, which is probably why the government is so afraid of them.



You are living in neacon lala land. The only way the 2nd amendment will protect us from a corrupt government is if we are allowed to possess nuclear bombs and f-16s.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Cyber]
    #3133610 - 09/14/04 11:14 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The name of the thread is happy redneck day. If you don't want to be mistaken for a redneck, then maybe you shouldn't celebrate with them.

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    #3133976 - 09/14/04 12:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The only way the 2nd amendment will protect us from a corrupt government is if we are allowed to possess nuclear bombs and f-16s.

this assumes that one wishes to engage the entire force of the US military in open combat. it completely ignores the possibility of guerrilla warfare, a civil-war scenario with defecting US military units, the collapse of government authority, etc. etc. it also ignores the possibility of people who may not necessarily overthrow a tyrannical government, but merely survive outside of its influence.

...not to mention that above and beyond that, there are many more practical reasons for wanting to own a civilian version of a military rifle. military rifles are designed with many features that make them very desirable for legitimate civilian use, such as light weight, low recoil, reliability, inexpensive ammunition, ease of operation and maintanence, ergonomics, and accuracy. the civilian versions retain these positive qualities; one needn't be a member of a "redneck hillbilly militia" to want one.


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    #3134024 - 09/14/04 01:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

this assumes that one wishes to engage the entire force of the US military in open combat.

What do you mean? You and luv taking on a division of Navy Seals?

And what do you do when you run out of ammo? Walk into the nearest shop and buy some more? What if the government ban the sale of ammo?

it completely ignores the possibility of guerrilla warfare

Guerilla warfare tends to work best using small groups. Whether or not Aunt Mabel has a saturday night special isn't too important. Once the government bans the sale of ammo you are not going to be able to arm everyone in the country. You will need to concentrate on tiny forces you can arm, train and trust.

a civil-war scenario with defecting US military units

You'd have more success at this using peaceful methods of demonstration like Gandhi.

the collapse of government authority

Not very likely. They'd just label you bedfellows of al-qaeda and lock you up in Gitmo bay.

legitimate civilian use

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    #3134051 - 09/14/04 01:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

"In a related note, marijuana kills brain cells. That is all"

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    #3134058 - 09/14/04 01:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Once the government bans the sale of ammo you are not going to be able to arm everyone in the country.




I know people with quite a bit of ammunition on hand. Plus considering how effectively the government has kept drugs and illegial aliens out of the country I don't forsee an ammunition ban having any effect on someone willing to bypass the law.


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    #3134067 - 09/14/04 01:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

But there are usually only a small number of groups responsible for importing drugs and illegal aliens.

The point is you will need to target the ammo to people you can trust. It's totally irrelevant everyone in America having a gun. You could launch a guerilla campaign just as effectively in the UK where guns are banned.


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    #3134080 - 09/14/04 01:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

alex, i think you misunderstand what i'm saying. there are many reasons that a person would want to have a semi-automatic military-style rifle. they are made to be reliable, easy to operate and take care of, and comfortable to shoot. the ammunition is cheap and readily available.

the fact that they would be useful in some kind of doomsday scenario is a very distant and secondary consideration.

i just want to be able to own a rifle that is going to last a long time, is comfortable to shoot, is easy to maintain, and won't bankrupt me when i go to buy ammunition. so do many other peaceful people in this country.

do you believe that all rifles should be banned?

if not, on what criteria should certain rifles be prohibited?


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    #3134128 - 09/14/04 01:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I've no problem with people enjoying target shooting. What's the attraction of having one in your house tho? Why not leave them at the gun club? Are there that many places in your neighbourhood where you can go and loose off an automatic rifle?

There's the trouble of the people going berserk and slaughtering people if they have access to automatic rifles too. If the columbine killers only had knives they'd have been lucky to kill one.

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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: 1stimer]
    #3134188 - 09/14/04 02:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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A highly overlooked fact. In fact, they'd be much more effective weapons for waging a revolution than for mugging someone on the street, which is probably why the government is so afraid of them.



You are living in neacon lala land. The only way the 2nd amendment will protect us from a corrupt government is if we are allowed to possess nuclear bombs and f-16s.



First of all, it's spelled "neocon." Second, neoconservatism is very pro-government, which is exactly the opposite of where I'm coming from. Third, tell me exactly how much good all the napalm and agent orange we dropped on Vietnam did against a population armed with guns and engaged in guerilla warfare.


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    #3134209 - 09/14/04 02:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I've no problem with people enjoying target shooting. What's the attraction of having one in your house tho? Why not leave them at the gun club?

i can think of many reasons.

1. you might not live near anywhere near a gun club.
2. a membership at a gun club may be too expensive.
3. you might want to go hunting for food.
4. maybe you keep a rifle for self-defense.

i don't know where you're from exactly, but i can tell you as a pennsylvanian that there are still quite a few places in this country where a rifle is an important tool in most households.

Are there that many places in your neighbourhood where you can go and loose off an automatic rifle?

was that a typo?

sorry if you're already know this, but let me explain the difference between a semi-automatic rifle and an automatic one. a semi-automatic rifle can fire one round for every time you pull the trigger without the need to operate the action via a bolt, lever, etc. an automatic rifle will fire bullets at a very high rate of fire for as long as there is ammunition in the rifle and the trigger is pulled back. automatic weapons were illegal before the ban and still are. semi-automatic rifles bearing certain cosmetic characteristics were the target of the ban.

as far as high-profile mass-killings, yes, there have been a few. perhaps this is clouding the fact that even before the ban, the types of weapons covered by it were used in a very small percentage of all violent crimes?

do you think that all rifles should be illegal for private ownership?

if only certain ones should be illegal, on what criteria would you decide which ones?

also... just out of curiousity...

do you live in city, a suburb, or out in the country?

have you ever fired a rifle?


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    #3134450 - 09/14/04 03:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

All of the reasons you stated could be accomplished with guns that arent considered assault weapons(3. you might want to go hunting for food.4. maybe you keep a rifle for self-defense.) or are luxuries (1. you might not live near anywhere near a gun club. 2. a membership at a gun club may be too expensive. )that should be sacrificed for the safety and welbeing of the general populace from terrorists and crazy unstable people.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: 1stimer]
    #3134475 - 09/14/04 03:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

do you believe that some rifles should be illegal while others are prohibited?

can you give a complete, comprehensive description of the criteria you would use to determine what rifles are "assault rifles" and which ones are not?


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    #3134485 - 09/14/04 03:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

also...

do you know off the top of your head how many people are killed each year in the US by military-style rifles?

have you fired a rifle once in your entire life?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: 1stimer]
    #3134486 - 09/14/04 03:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Do drug laws keep drugs out of people's hands? What makes gun laws any different?


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    #3134492 - 09/14/04 03:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

sheesh. debating anti-gun people is almost as bad as debating anti-drug people.


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    #3134551 - 09/14/04 03:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

im not anti gun i just dont trust gun freaks with all types of weaponary... there needs to be limits..


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    #3134553 - 09/14/04 03:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You'd have more success at this using peaceful methods of demonstration like Gandhi.

I cannot agree with this. While the march to slaughter made quite a statement, it was incredibly inefficient. If they were killing the english in even a meager ratio, the cost/benefit ratio for england staying would have much more quickly slid into ghandi and friends' favor.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3134683 - 09/14/04 04:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

im not anti gun i just dont trust gun freaks with all types of weaponary... there needs to be limits..

absolutely, but the 1994 assault weapons ban was very much on the wrong side of those limits.

here is the text of the 1994 ban as it applies to rifles:

(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--
`(A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the
firearms in any caliber, known as--
`(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat
Kalashnikovs (all models);
`(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and
Galil;
`(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
`(iv) Colt AR-15;
`(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
`(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
`(vii) Steyr AUG;
`(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
`(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar
to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
`(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a
detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
`(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
`(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath
the action of the weapon;
`(iii) a bayonet mount;
`(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to
accommodate a flash suppressor; and
`(v) a grenade launcher;

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/laws/majorlaw/h3355_en.htm

can you see how the ban has more to do with what a weapon looks like than what it does? a "pistol grip" is there for purposes of ergonomics. it does not make a weapon more lethal. the same is true of a retractable stock. bayonet mounts and flash suppressors add little to the lethality of a weapon.



this is a mini-14 range rifle.

it is a semi-automatic rifle chambered in rem .223 and capable of accepting a 30 round magazine. it was not covered by the ban because it does lacks the requisite cosmetic characteristics.





this is an AR-15 rifle.

it is a semi-automatic rifle chambered in rem .223 and capable of accepting a 30 round magazine. it is no more dangerous than the one above it, but it sure looks like it is, and was in fact banned until very recently.


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    #3134712 - 09/14/04 04:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I think the mini-14 is a better gun. more accurate and easier to shoot.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3134750 - 09/14/04 04:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Assault Rifle: Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat or any of the automatic rifles or semiautomatic rifles with large magazines designed for military use

I was in the military. I have fired an m-16 and m-60.

Statistics on deaths from assault rifles can be construed to support either side. If there are few deaths then you could argue that the ban is working. If there are a lot of deaths then that would support the notion of tightening restrictions on them.


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    #3134786 - 09/14/04 04:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Assault Rifle: Any of various automatic or semiautomatic rifles designed for individual use in combat or any of the automatic rifles or semiautomatic rifles with large magazines designed for military use

that's not very specific. how do you decide whether or not a rifle was designed for combat? for instance, the mini-14 is used by police agencies, yet is far more common amongst ranchers and farmers.

what is a "large magazine"?

Statistics on deaths from assault rifles can be construed to support either side. If there are few deaths then you could argue that the ban is working. If there are a lot of deaths then that would support the notion of tightening restrictions on them.

fair enough. do you have any idea how many were killed in the years immediately preceding the ban?

I was in the military. I have fired an m-16 and m-60.

what branch? active duty, reserves, or national guard? how long ago?


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    #3134866 - 09/14/04 04:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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what branch? active duty, reserves, or national guard? how long ago?



Why so nosy?
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fair enough. do you have any idea how many were killed in the years immediately preceding the ban?




In the 24 states with no gun-control laws in 1990, there were 24.4 gun related deaths per 100,000. In the 26 states with gun-control laws, there were 19.6 gun-related deaths per 100,000 persons.
The gun control laws saved 5 people per 100,000 per year. That is a significant number of people who were saved from death.
Kwon, Ik-Whan G., Scott, Bradley, Safranski, Scott R., & Bae, Muen. (1997). The Effectiveness of Gun Control Laws: Multivariate Statistical Analysis. American Journal of Economics and Sociology 56 (1) 41-50.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: 1stimer]
    #3134883 - 09/14/04 05:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

What were your sources on that?


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    #3134918 - 09/14/04 05:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Why so nosy?

because to be frank i don't think you were ever in the military.

In the 24 states with no gun-control laws in 1990, there were 24.4 gun related deaths per 100,000. In the 26 states with gun-control laws, there were 19.6 gun-related deaths per 100,000 persons.

huh?

first of all, every state has gun control laws, so i don't have any idea what those statistics are talking about.

second of all, we're talking about homocides commited by people using assault weapons as defined by the 1994 ban, not all "gun-related" deaths.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Xlea321]
    #3134981 - 09/14/04 05:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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And what do you do when you run out of ammo?



This.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Xlea321]
    #3135014 - 09/14/04 05:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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There's the trouble of the people going berserk and slaughtering people if they have access to automatic rifles too.



Yes. And people only kill other people with guns right?

87 killed with gasoline.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3135049 - 09/14/04 05:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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KingOftheThing said:
im not anti gun i just dont trust gun freaks with all types of weaponary... there needs to be limits..



I agree. Nobody(including the government) should have nukes or chemical weapons. However, the so-called "assault weapons" mentioned in this thread are well within reason.


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    #3135057 - 09/14/04 05:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

87 killed with gasoline.

wow. i am unaware of anyone ever killing anything close to 87 people in a shooting spree.


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    #3135084 - 09/14/04 05:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It certainly dwarfs the Columbine number.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Xlea321]
    #3135633 - 09/14/04 07:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

"And what do you do when you run out of ammo? Walk into the nearest shop and buy some more? What if the government ban the sale of ammo?"

well i haven't bought ammo in about 6 years. some of us dumb ass rednecks understand ballistics and load our own ammo. i myself load .222, .45acp, 12ga, 20ga, 7.62x54, and 7.62x39 for my AK.
yes thats right i have an AK. its got all the bells and whistles too. krinkov flash hider, bipod, pistol grip, 75 round drum, scope, and a few extras i threw in.
i got this 5 years ago durring the so-called ban. i bought it legally and from maryland one of the most gun restictive states in the union.


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    #3136036 - 09/14/04 09:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

mushmaster,
what kind of limits do you support?


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    #3136396 - 09/14/04 10:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm so happy that a bunch of guys with small penises and huge egos can now again buy mahcine guns. What an amazing day, I'm sure the NRA is happy that the public can buy automatic guns again. I feel so much safer from terrorism knowing that Billy-Bob down the street is packing an AK. I think we should lift the ban on personal nuclear weapons, rpgs and mortar rounds. Lets just all have arsenals, because thats what this country is all about right?





And I'm so happy they let laws be passed on the backs of a massive mis-information campaign waged by national media outlets.


Don't believe the liberal media bias?  Look into gun laws.  The mass media feeds the public lies about guns, about gun laws, about the contents of new gun legislation, and about the results of those laws being passed.  The mass media LOVES stirring up FEAR AND HATRED of firearms, because that means all they need to do to cover the "shock" aspect of the news is cover gun violence.


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Ok, so here's where we have an issue, according to the 2nd amendment:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

who has the right, people, or a well regulated militia? I know you say people ARE the militia, but people aren't always well regulated, do you see what I'm getting at?





It's simple.

A well regulated milita is neccessary to the security of a free state.
Being neccessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

If the 2nd Amendment was about a well-regulated militia being armed, it would have been worded:

A well regulated milita, being neccessary to the security of a free state, the right of the milita to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

The arms of the militia are the arms that the members bring from their private homes, that they privately owned, kept, and maintained.

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but i am also smart to realize everyone packing arsenals is ridiculous..





Why?  Whatever do you mean?
Oh I see.  You have an issue with idiots and criminals that have guns.

Solution?  It's an ugly one.  TEACH YOUR CHILDREN TO BE GOOD PEOPLE, TO BE DECENT, THINKING PEOPLE, AND THEY WON'T BE IDIOTS OR CRIMINALS.

Such a solution is abhorrant to the Left.  It involves individuals taking control of their, and their children's, development and lives.. and there's nothing the Left enjoys more than telling us how we should teach our children. 

BEAT YOUR KIDS! :crazy2:

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The only way the 2nd amendment will protect us from a corrupt government is if we are allowed to possess nuclear bombs and f-16s. 




I am neither fan nor supporter of it, but there's a lot to be said for the Lone Nut With A Gun.
How many Presidents have been assassinated, how many leaders?  How much has that changed the course of history?  Imagine it it was organized?

Yes, in the event the entirety of the government is corrupt and must go, the entirety of the government  will go.  Don't be afeared.

"Since gun laws were tightened up in the UK we havn't had a single mass slaughter. "

Unless you count soccer riots, right?  And how about all those stabbings I keep hearing of -- you know, with ice picks that go straight through bullet-proof vests?

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i don't know where you're from exactly, but i can tell you as a pennsylvanian that there are still quite a few places in this country where a rifle is an important tool in most households.





Holy shit you're from PA too?

This state's got a VERY, very strong background with firearms.  Well, primarily the center of the state..  I'd like to disown Philadelphia honestly, but the cheese steaks are enough to hang on to it.  Plus I wouldn't with New Jersey on anyone.

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sheesh. debating anti-gun people is almost as bad as debating anti-drug people. 




No.. it's worse.  I've never heard an anti-gun advocate fall back on the "it's illegal because well.. it's illegal" line of argument.  They always have some other grandiose moral obligation that they feel they're fulfilling by taking guns out of the hands of decent people.



No one has yet given a single reason that cosmetic features should be the basis for gun legislation, which is all the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban covered.


PS - An Assault Weapon actually has a selectable rate of fire.  The entire bill, including the name, was just sensationalist drivel.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: 1stimer]
    #3137056 - 09/15/04 01:15 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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1stimer said:
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A highly overlooked fact. In fact, they'd be much more effective weapons for waging a revolution than for mugging someone on the street, which is probably why the government is so afraid of them.



You are living in neacon lala land.  The only way the 2nd amendment will protect us from a corrupt government is if we are allowed to possess nuclear bombs and f-16s.




Alright smart guy. Why don't you take a trip over to Iraq and tell the rebels that they're not supposed to be able to resist the full might of the U.S. military without F-16s and nuclear bombs. I'm sure then they'll stop killing our troops, slaughtering scores of police officers with crude explosives and taking over entire cities.  :smirk:


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    #3137234 - 09/15/04 02:16 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Alright smart guy. Why don't you take a trip over to Iraq and tell the rebels that they're not supposed to be able to resist the full might of the U.S. military without F-16s and nuclear bombs

No-one is saying you can't launch an insurection. What we're questioning is whether it makes any difference if Aunt Mabel has an automatic rifle.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3137241 - 09/15/04 02:18 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

One question mush, if the general population having guns prevents tyranny, why did Saddam have power in Iraq where most households have guns?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Gijith]
    #3138259 - 09/15/04 12:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

mushmaster,
what kind of limits do you support?


on guns?

children, people with a history of violent crime or mental illness, and people known to be addicted to 'hard' drugs should not be permitted to own firearms.

fully-automatic weapons, ammunition with greater muzzle energy than 14,000 foot-pounds, and explosive or incendiary ammunition, should not be permitted.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Xlea321]
    #3138326 - 09/15/04 12:56 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

One question mush, if the general population having guns prevents tyranny...

it doesn't necessarily prevent tyranny. it helps though.

there are numerous scenarios in which private citizens might engage in military-style combat. you're only addressing only one here. sure, armed citizens probably have only a small chance against a materially superior, unified, steadfast government military.

but there are many scenarios other than me and luvdemshrooms taking on the navy SEALS.

what about armed citizens joining up with regular military units to repel an invader?

how about armed citizens joining up with an invading liberator against a domestic tyranny?

how about armed citizens joining up with defecting regular military units in a civil-war scenario?

armed citizens defending and policing themselves after a temporary collapse of government authority in a given area, perhaps as the result of a terrorist attack, natural disaster, or economic collapse?

armed citizens fighting against a fading and unpopular government power?

you're assuming that the only possible scenario for civil warfare in a country is a few armed citizens against a strong, popular, unified, and resolute government, but that's not the only scenario, nor even a common one. warfare is usually more along the lines of the scenarios i described above, scenarios in which citizen soldiers with military-style rifles could certainly exert meaningful affect.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Skikid16]
    #3139050 - 09/15/04 04:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I understand that it is not about hunting, its the right to bear arms. Now which arms should you have a right to bear, well, that's up for debate.




Sure it's up for debate! The constitution is a ever-changing thing. Thats why they wrote "shall not be infringed". To show the state of flux *rolls eyes*


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3139199 - 09/15/04 04:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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the right wants abortion illegal and machine guns legal ...so when all the unwanted babies grow up to be thugs and criminals, theyll have guns to kill them with.


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The left wants to allow unborn children to be executed, but not convicted killers. Really twisted shit huh?

It's hard to imagine, and I write this in reply to all of your posts on this subject, how you could start a thread based on such ignorance of the laws and the issues at hand, and still have the balls to come back in and try to make a point. Your initial post about the, lets see what was it, ah yes, the "MILTIA"'s, was so filled with inaccuracies and left-wing horseshit that I didn't even bother to read it, figuring that anyone with half a brain would have already debunked the subject. Why are you still here? Shouldn't you make a post saying "Wow, I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about, I'll sit here quietly and get educated" long ago?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3139218 - 09/15/04 04:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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oh and i like it when they say they want those machine guns for "sport shooting" :lol: i have visions of fucktards drinking pabst and blowing away watermelons "for sport". or maybe cletus and wilbur squirel hunting with uzis




Oh ok, so you think that "sport shooting" is something done by rednecks and other socially "useless" people? Lets see how this progresses..

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hahaha riiiiight...a lot of us on the left love our guns...we just dont love em in the sick twisted weird way the right does.... im a proud pistol owner, but i am also smart to realize everyone packing arsenals is ridiculous.. i dont have to be a badass with 100000 guns. and for home defense?? these fucking gun tards dont even realize handguns arent the best for home defense. they actually get a chance to kill a robber and shoot their kids or neighbors through walls.....real men know a shotty is the safest gun for your home defense





So you admit that you own a pistol, but not for defense. You also say that you have a shotgun. You ALSO are saying that you are an expert(or damn near) about firearms. Now, why would such a proficient firearms afficiando hunt with his pistol? Hunting with a pistol isn't really the most effective way of doing something, as a "Real man" would know. So, if you don't use it for defense, you don't hunt with it, why do you own a pistol? Could it be


SPORT SHOOTING PURPOSES?

I'd love to sit here and make fun of your ignorance some more, but I'll let the other members do it instead.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: retread]
    #3139230 - 09/15/04 05:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

its not that i think all sport shooting is redneck hillbilly crap...but i have visions of rednecks with newly legalized aks shooting shit for the hell of it.....oh and i do use my pistol for sport at a range


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3139311 - 09/15/04 05:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So Jethro using his legal AK for the hell of it is different than your sport shooting at a range? I see. Fair and balanced, just like we've all come to expect from KOTT.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3141136 - 09/15/04 11:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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its not that i think all sport shooting is redneck hillbilly crap...but i have visions of rednecks with newly legalized aks shooting shit for the hell of it.....oh and i do use my pistol for sport at a range




Why do you have visions of that? A lefty like yourself should be imagining how crime rates will skyrocket, but you don't.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3141578 - 09/16/04 12:46 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

is it too late for me to chime in and remind you how stupid this thread was?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: afoaf]
    #3141596 - 09/16/04 12:51 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

no.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3141645 - 09/16/04 01:04 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Agreed. Time to vacate.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: retread]
    #3142445 - 09/16/04 04:40 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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retread said:
So Jethro using his legal AK for the hell of it is different than your sport shooting at a range? I see. Fair and balanced, just like we've all come to expect from KOTT.




im not fair or balanced...im on one side, you are on the other....simple as that  :evil:


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