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InvisibleKingOftheThing
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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3132261 - 09/14/04 12:38 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

honestly this issue seems so cut and dry to me im not going to even try to understand the other side.

I think we should be able to have guns
The constitution lets us bare arms
That doesnt mean "all arms" and it doesnt say you have the right to every type of gun that can be produced.
What is one good thing that will come from people owning machine guns?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132266 - 09/14/04 12:39 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

you might want to start by considering these points:

- military-style rifles are easy to operate. they are ergonomically designed so that people of every shape and size can use them. military rifles are generally lightweight, so they are easy to carry and hold.

-military rifles are designed to be reliable. They have to be able to function in virtually every type of environment, whether it is snow, rain, mud, or sand. Civilian versions of these weapons feature similar reliability because they are built to the same manufacturing specifications.

- military rifles don?t have much recoil, so they don?t hurt your shoulder the way some other rifles do. (Shotguns come to mind!)

-military style rifles shoot ammunition that is used by many countries. ammunition for military-style rifles is cheaper and more widely available than ammunition for hunting rifles.

-military-style rifles are very rarely used by criminals, who generally prefer weapons that are cheaper to acquire and easier to conceal.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3132280 - 09/14/04 12:42 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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mushmaster said:
-military-style rifles are very rarely used by criminals, who generally prefer weapons that are cheaper to acquire and easier to conceal.



A highly overlooked fact. In fact, they'd be much more effective weapons for waging a revolution than for mugging someone on the street, which is probably why the government is so afraid of them.


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Edited by silversoul7 (09/14/04 12:49 AM)


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132292 - 09/14/04 12:44 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The constitution lets us bare arms
That doesnt mean "all arms"...


actually it does. if it is an "arm" it is protected by the second amendment. the above statement is as silly as saying "the constitution protects freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, but not all cruel and unusual punishment..." sure, the courts will decide what is cruel and unusual, but if it is decided that it is, the constitution protects you from it.

What is one good thing that will come from people owning machine guns?

i'm not opposed to regulations on machine guns. the 1994 assault weapons ban was not a ban on machine guns, but primarily military-style semi-automatic rifles.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3132368 - 09/14/04 12:55 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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mushmaster said:
The constitution lets us bare arms
That doesnt mean "all arms"...


actually it does. if it is an "arm" it is protected by the second amendment. the above statement is as silly as saying "the constitution protects freedom from cruel and unusual punishment, but not all cruel and unusual punishment..." sure, the courts will decide what is cruel and unusual, but if it is decided that it is, the constitution protects you from it.





apples oranges


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3132387 - 09/14/04 12:58 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, so this raises the question: Why wasn't Clinton's weapon ban appealed to the Supreme Court (or was it? I have no idea)...?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Gijith]
    #3132402 - 09/14/04 12:59 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Because the supreme court only supports the constitution when it wants to.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Learyfan]
    #3132414 - 09/14/04 01:01 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

nice cartoon. seems that yet another "journalist" has mistakenly conveyed the idea that the assault weapons ban addressed ownership of fully-automatic weapons. i can't tell you how many articles i've read over the past week that did the same.

i am not opposed to reasonable regulations on firearms. children, the mentally ill, and convicted criminals should be barred from owning firearms. clearly there are certain types of weapons that no private citizen should be permitted to own.

however, the 1994 assault weapons ban was not a reasonable policy, and those who pressed hardest for it were not concerned with reasonable regulation, but with prohibiting any gun they could. "assault weapons" were not banned because they were more dangerous to public safety than other weapons, or were used more extensively in crimes, or anything of the sort. they were banned because they could be.


"The semi-automatic weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons ? anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun ? can only increase that chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons."

- Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center


the "assault weapons" ban was not a good law. it was an oppurtunistic gun-grab that played on public ignorance and did nothing but keep everyday gun-owners from acquiring firearms that were made to be reliable, comfortable, fun, and inexpensive to shoot.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3132424 - 09/14/04 01:03 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

apples oranges

i know... the second amendment is, afterall, not really part of the bill of rights... kinda like the tenth, correct?

:rolleyes:


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3132440 - 09/14/04 01:07 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

no its there and i support it but you made a supid point comparing two unlike things


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Gijith]
    #3132451 - 09/14/04 01:09 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, so this raises the question: Why wasn't Clinton's weapon ban appealed to the Supreme Court (or was it? I have no idea)...?

depending on how one defines "arms" the ban may or may not have been unconstitutional. the assault weapons ban was not an out-and-out violation of the second amendment, as say... banning guns entirely in certain metropolitan areas is.

you'll notice that i haven't been arguing against it on second amendment grounds (a poor foundation for any pro-gun rights position), but on the actual facts of the situation.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3133147 - 09/14/04 05:37 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So you still speak without a clue.

I'm guessing you'll never change.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3133159 - 09/14/04 05:48 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

apples oranges



So, you know as little about fruit as you do about the "asault wapons" law.

A bit of reading before your next rant seems like it would help you.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3133226 - 09/14/04 06:41 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

While there are good reasons for the 2nd amendment, and there were very good arguments for removing the flawed 'assault weapons' bill, this does not exempt the rednecks in this thread from the title 'gun nuts'.

Yiha, guns are cool. And oh yeah, I've got a fully functional MP5 lying here. Drooling yet, American fucktards?

Why are there so many sad redneck fucks on The Shroomery?


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: z@z.com]
    #3133311 - 09/14/04 08:08 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

z@z.com said:
Quote:

Cyber said:
Oh and the M60 will run you a cool $5000! Man they are a blast to shoot!






They sure as hell are fun to shoot if you can afford the ammo. .308 rounds are cheap, but not when you shoot 200 of them.




Umm 100 per minute. They are not bad when you buy them in cases of 1000 rounds.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: AntiMeme]
    #3133341 - 09/14/04 08:46 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

AntiMeme said:
Yiha, guns are cool. And oh yeah, I've got a fully functional MP5 lying here. Drooling yet, American fucktards?

Why are there so many sad redneck fucks on The Shroomery?




:mad2:

Because us REDNECKS have cows, our cows shit, mushrooms grow on our cows shit, we pick the mushrooms and eat/sell them, we gained interest in the topic and found the shroomery.

Why are there so many illinformed, poorly educated, individuals who have lost touch with reality, like you on the shroomery?

:mad2:

Sorry about that little rant. I find the use of the word "REDNECK" very derogatory and offensive! Similar to the use of the words NIGGER, SPIC, CHINK, ETC. It just shows an individuals ignorance!


Edited by Cyber (09/14/04 08:49 AM)


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: ]
    #3133397 - 09/14/04 09:33 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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well the left.... they want to take all the guns so that the populace will be complicent and they can turn the country into a socialist regime where they kill all the babies for population control!!!!1



Do you really think that way of thinking is valid when the government has f-16. The 2nd amendment can not protect us from a corrupt government unless we as individuals are allowed to possess nuclear bombs.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: silversoul7]
    #3133400 - 09/14/04 09:36 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

A highly overlooked fact. In fact, they'd be much more effective weapons for waging a revolution than for mugging someone on the street, which is probably why the government is so afraid of them.



You are living in neacon lala land. The only way the 2nd amendment will protect us from a corrupt government is if we are allowed to possess nuclear bombs and f-16s.


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: Cyber]
    #3133610 - 09/14/04 11:14 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The name of the thread is happy redneck day. If you don't want to be mistaken for a redneck, then maybe you shouldn't celebrate with them.

Your gun skills are elite btw. Trenchoat mafia high five!

And a thousand thousand slimy things lived on..


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Re: HAPPY REDNECK HILLBILLY MILTIA DAY!!! [Re: 1stimer]
    #3133976 - 09/14/04 12:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The only way the 2nd amendment will protect us from a corrupt government is if we are allowed to possess nuclear bombs and f-16s.

this assumes that one wishes to engage the entire force of the US military in open combat. it completely ignores the possibility of guerrilla warfare, a civil-war scenario with defecting US military units, the collapse of government authority, etc. etc. it also ignores the possibility of people who may not necessarily overthrow a tyrannical government, but merely survive outside of its influence.

...not to mention that above and beyond that, there are many more practical reasons for wanting to own a civilian version of a military rifle. military rifles are designed with many features that make them very desirable for legitimate civilian use, such as light weight, low recoil, reliability, inexpensive ammunition, ease of operation and maintanence, ergonomics, and accuracy. the civilian versions retain these positive qualities; one needn't be a member of a "redneck hillbilly militia" to want one.


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