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thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice
#3129592 - 09/13/04 01:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's something I promised myself I would never do. It's something I am totally against, however every day its looking like a better option. Joining the military. the main reason I never joined when I turned 18 was (I rationalized with myself) because I didn't want to cut my hair. I still don't want to cut my hair. That may be a petty reason but hey.. I love my long hair. There are other more important reasons thought, such as my stance towards the military. But I am struggling to make ends meet. er.. have been for a while now. I've been living on my own since I was 16, work full time to afford the basic necessities of rent and utilities and whatever food I can get, which is little. Currently I am in debt up to my eyeballs, have no car insurance (I drive everyday) and I don't realistically see how I am going to make it through the next couple of years, let alone months, financially. My teeth are slowly breaking, as I am long overdue for having the wisdom teeth removed (about 2 years) because I can't even come close to affording dental insurance. The landlord is selling the house here in a month and I have nowhere to go. Frankly, I don't care if I live in a tent in the woods, as long as I still have my band and music. At least that way I would save a lot of money in rent. Which is the other issue, I've been in a band for 7 years and we still haven't recorded our first album. Well we are looking at a studio next week, that I hope we will be able to pull the money out of our ass somehow, but really.. music is the only thing I really care about.. I'll buy bass strings before I buy toothpaste or toilet paper. So I don't have the time or money to go to college. I couldn't afford it even if I was still working full time, and if I was working full time, I wouldn't be in school.. get it? I was thinking about maybe signing up for a computer technology training course, as that is something I am interested in, can do it at night after work, and getting certified would help me get a good job.. there are tons of IT jobs around here. But that also costs money which I don't have. So I'm down to what I *think* is my last option to gaining financial security.. joining the military. It's free, free training, free skills, sign-on bonus, financial security, etc. I know I would be good at it.. but I just can't talk myself into it. Is there another way? Must I shave my head and become one of THEM. I've always hated them, being surrounded by them everyday, but now it seems like the only way. It doesn't help that I live in the richest part of Northern Va outside DC, surrounded by people who are financially secure, usually because they are in some branch of military or government. I wish this was the 30s, then I would just get into organized crime. But I'm thinking about joining the fucking government/military/indutrial complex, and the only reason is for the money.. and that sickens me, just a little bit. would someone please slap some sense into me? What's a better way to make lots of money in your spare time? Something.. anything, and no, I can't sell drugs. But I am thinking about robbing banks.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism] 1
#3129660 - 09/13/04 01:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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my advice is dont do it
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129681 - 09/13/04 01:22 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Long hair is hot!
A man who has direction in life is hotter. I think this would be a great opportunity for you!! It will definitely lead you to bigger and better things! My opinion....go for it!
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: barfightlard]
#3129684 - 09/13/04 01:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well that's solid advice for sure.. But what would you suggest for someone who works 45+ hours a week and still only has enough to barely scrape by.. in a place where barely scraping by doesn't cut it. One step forward... three steps back kind of thing.
I would move, but I have attachments here.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129688 - 09/13/04 01:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude you do not want to do this. I recently have a friend that just graduated out of college this past spring. His study was journalism. He was having a tuff time finding any type of work, so he ups and joins the National Reserve. I don't know if maybe he was thinking this was a good way to get his foot in to the journalism field or what. I was totaly shock. This was so out of charcter for him. He's always been very active hiking, camping that sort of thing so I think maybe he thought he could handle it. Now some 3,4 months later he is finding every which way he can to get discharged. He's already went on medical leave for a bad ankle, however he had to go back. So now I think his next plan is to start crapping and peeing himself, so he looks like he's had a nervous break down. I personally don't think it is the physical aspect but the mental that he is having a hard time excepting. They try to take every part of you that is an individual and turn you in to a sheep. Don't be a sheep!
Don't let "them" fool ya into thinking it is a mean to an end of hard ship or what ever. They may make you some great promises but when it comes down to it they won't deliver. Instead of college money you will end up with some kind of health problem because of the stuff they pump into you and expose you to. Just go out and talk to some vets, Vietnam, Desert Storm, or vets that are coming back now. Do a little more research to. Not just going to goverment sites, because of course they our going to make it sound good. Good luck with you decision. I hope you find the right path.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129690 - 09/13/04 01:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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have no car insurance (I drive everyday)
The best advice I can give you now is you stop driving or get yourself car insurance. If something happens you could be in dept for the rest of your life and that's something you don't want... I hope you figure things out soon and get back on track. *me beams good karma your way*
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129705 - 09/13/04 01:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damn Aquarius. Heh, I'm in a similar situation, maybe a year or 2 behind ya, but I am tryin to stay one step ahead of "reality"... I'm in Ohio right now, having successfully started a travel circuit that's not complete yet.. On to NC, GA, and SC within the next 2 weeks.
How do I fund it, you ask? Well, by any means possible. I got a job in Indiana for a few months and saved up a little bit, but I gotta admit I wouldn't be able to do this if it wasn't for friends and family. For instance I'm stranded right now and asked my grandparents to wire me enough money to make it back to FL.
So... this isn't going to last forever for me. I need to figure this money thing out. Am I destined for temporary jobs and temporary homes for the rest of my life? I guess it's either that or go to school for something. I havn't even gotten my GED yet, heh. Dropped out of HS a few years ago.
But I know, above all, that I will NOT join the "armed forces". FUCK THOSE ASSHOLES! !@#)!@)!@_#!#$Y!
But if you MUST, I hope you can survive intact, Shroomism. Cuz I have a feeling that from the moment you go in, you will be surrounded by the most judgemental, closed-minded, robotic buncha fucks that this country could find.
That's my advice anyway. Uh, wait I didn't give any.... Hmm, I would advise like a technical school or just get a temp job and take off to where no one can find you, get your band and go to the woods and hold nocturnal metal raves.. you may have to go to Canada for this.
Good luck brother. Hey I'll be heading south soon, like in a few days, from Columbus OH to Charlotte NC. If you are in between those 2 locations, let me know.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129710 - 09/13/04 01:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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dont join the reserves, army, or marines
thats my advice
im joining the coast guard.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129712 - 09/13/04 01:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Well that's solid advice for sure.. But what would you suggest for someone who works 45+ hours a week and still only has enough to barely scrape by.. in a place where barely scraping by doesn't cut it. One step forward... three steps back kind of thing.
I would move, but I have attachments here.
You should move somewhere cheaper to exist. Get out of the big clusterfuck cities.
If you join the military, you are moving anyways :P
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129713 - 09/13/04 01:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You can't find any lower rent housing in your town? Maybe move to a smaller town right close. I wouldn't join the military unless I was absolutely fucked and would be living on the streets. Things will work out for ya.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129717 - 09/13/04 01:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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i hate the american system
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129720 - 09/13/04 01:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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i dont know how much money u need to make....i mean can u find a roomate?? i was existing fairly comfortably makiing $9 an hour 40hrs a week working 3rd shift at a hotel...it was easy money, plus i could do school work while at work....apply at local hotels or even better i was making $10 an hour as a car porter at a dealership. as long as u can drive stick, its usually an ez job to get
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129728 - 09/13/04 01:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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i came as close as you can come to joining the navy out of high school. i didn't because of my conscience. i was going to be programming trajectories for nuclear missiles from a sub. i am ever so glad that i decided not to go. my reasons were the same as your altho i hadn't weathered life yet.
i understand your dilemma but keep this in mind; this is a VERY bad time to be joining the military... altho, those who serve active duty get the best benfits and shit when they get out.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: debianlinux]
#3129748 - 09/13/04 01:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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bad times indeed thats why i wouldnt join the reserves, army, air force, or marines..
and id still think about not going in the navy because of it..
so i went with the coast guard
coast gaurd actually saves lives..
and fights the evil war on drugs!
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: lovingwench]
#3129752 - 09/13/04 01:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Believe me.. you don't have to tell me horror stories, I've heard enough.. having many friends in military families and my mom marrying into one, I'm the last person you would have to talk out of joining the military, which is why the fact that I'm thinking about it scares me. I live two miles from the CIA HQ, 7 miles from DC, 25 miles from Quantico.. believe me, I know the fucked up shit that goes on. I know about the vaccines and all the nasty evil underhanded shit they do. But as far as them making promises and not delivering.. I dont see that.. everyone I know who is in the military is pretty well off, they get paid well and dont stress over money all the time. That's why its such a mind fuck for me. I disagree with the miltary, I do not read government propoganda, I have SEVERE problems with authority and people bossing me around, and I have even bigger problems with bullies who like to interfere with human free will. So now that I think about it more, it's probably a bad idea, as I would probably get discharged during boot camp when I try to knock out a drill instructor or something. Or I could fake conform and gain a high rank so that I could infiltrate the system and rip it apart from the inside, but they'd probably have me killed way before then.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129760 - 09/13/04 01:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think you'll be happy there. What about the Fire Dept. or paramedic, or Peace Corps, or Medecins Sans Frontieres. Noble professions, and I'm sure a couple of them pay well. Happiness is more important than money. Actually, are you sure you want to take advice from someone who works at McDonalds??!! Maybe I best be very quiet.....
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129761 - 09/13/04 01:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read some good things here that might help shroomism 
If you really don't want to go to the army try to find another option as hard as you can! I you join you will regret it probably and be worse off than you are now.
moving to a cheaper place and the rest KingofTheThing and bellylard said sounds good to me, lot better than joining the army. But maybe this isn't possible for you, I don't know your exact situation...
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129779 - 09/13/04 01:39 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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>So I don't have the time or money to go to college. I couldn't afford it even if I was still working full time -This is a big mistake. You can always win scholarships and take out student loans, I know it seems a little dicey, but as soon as your out of collage you can land a better job...
Either that, or quit your band and get a second job... which is something you'll have to do anyway if you get stationed offshore. You should also look into the controversy, apparently the army can extend how long you serve indefinantly.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: TheShroomHermit]
#3129815 - 09/13/04 01:44 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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no the army cannot just extend how long you serve..
you sign up for how many years you want to and sometimes you may have to reenlist or lengthen your contract.. but only if YOU want to..
i am prolly gonna have to extend my coast guard contract as soon as i get out of A school because you have to have a minimum number of years in for each job..
but even after youve gotten out of the military they can call you back in if they need you in times of war.. depending on how long youve been out.. i think after like 6 years or something they cant call you back theyve been doing this a lot recently.. theres guys who are like 50 years old or so getting called back
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: ]
#3129828 - 09/13/04 01:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Actually I think they CAN extend it indefinately.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Adamist]
#3129836 - 09/13/04 01:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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maybe! a lotta things have changed with bush in office and the war..
but ill need some proof
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: ]
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as far as calling in the 50yo's... i think you still have to meet health spec before they actually put you back into duty. not too many 50yo have great blood pressure and shit like that
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: TheShroomHermit]
#3129861 - 09/13/04 01:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow damn lots of replies.. thanks guys
Adamist - I am in Northern Virginia. Which is precisely between Ohio and NC. You should definitely stop by.
exclusive - I hate the american system too
KOTT - I am currently making $13/hour doing construction and electrical work. That may sound like a lot but its not compared to the cost of living here. I don't think I could find a much higher paying job unless I have some special certifications or something.
I guess I just have a lot to think about and sort out. I still have tons of options I suppose. I could move west or south a little and pay about half the rent I do now.. I could shack up at a friend's house if need be, for very cheap.. they got a deal on an old house for $900 a month, which is insanely cheap, but its only because the house is falling apart and they are tearing it down when the lease it up. Currently I'm paying about 1200 a month in rent and utilities, and I live in a house with THREE roommates.
Yeah fuck the military. The money seems good but that's about where it ends. I pretty much hate the rest of it. I'll do something.. I'll figure out something. I'll do multiple things at once. Anything but killing my fellow humans for a cause I don't believe in. Really the only people I want to kill are the ones in office down the street from me. And that's the truth.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129870 - 09/13/04 01:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: the only people I want to kill are the ones in office down the street from me. And that's the truth.
now you may be on to something there.
think that through... your solution may lie within
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129876 - 09/13/04 01:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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900 a month is insanely cheap?!?!
wow
my friend pays 250 a month for his trailer down here
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129893 - 09/13/04 01:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well if you do join the army, all the jobs aren't about going in other countries and killing the people. Remember "Full MEtal Jacket"? If i ever went in the army i'd like to be like the journalist in that movie, just reporting what's going on and all. what i mean is that you could try and find your place in the army that YOU feel is right.
My best friend is actually in the same position as you are. HE has no idea what job he wants to do, he has no financial aid from his family, so he's planning on joining the french army because he doesn't see any better solution for himself. I personally disagree with him, but its his life. Here are some positive aspects about joining the army: you get to travel to new countries, you get to build and maintain a strong and healthy body, you get to be in contact with different cultures... i was also going to talk about getting to be a peacekeeper, which is great, but unfortunately peacekeeping isn't the favorite activity in the american army..hehe.
Of course you are going to have to submit to orders in a crude manner, but that's something you will have to get over and forget about. If you do join the army, don't forget that they're job is to dehumanize you so that you will not hesitate to pull the trigger. Please don't loose your humanity, i beg you.
I don't know, i'd feel better going in the NATO forces or something that only serves to protect and not to attack...
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Adamist]
#3129896 - 09/13/04 01:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Adamist said: I do not endorse USA Today, but:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-06-02-army-duty_x.htm
thats some news to me 
i knew they were extending tours in iraq but i didnt know they were allowed to extend the contracts without the soldier's signature and approval..wow
one more reason not to join the army!
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: TheShroomHermit]
#3129920 - 09/13/04 02:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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TheShroomHermit said: -This is a big mistake. You can always win scholarships and take out student loans, I know it seems a little dicey, but as soon as your out of collage you can land a better job...
yeah, that's an option.
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Either that, or quit your band
NOT gonna happen.
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and get a second job...
My band doesn't take up that much time, we practice once a week for about two hours.
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You should also look into the controversy, apparently the army can extend how long you serve indefinantly.
This is true. My good friend was a sniper for the army in Panama, and Desert Storm 1. He's highly decorated, and has told me some sick, fucked up stories about war. Recently he went to put in his resignation papers, and they said nope.. you are on active duty for another 3 years minimum, and you are being shipped to baghdad next month. However since he's already served in two wars and has all these credentials, he's getting paid out the ass. I think he's coming home with about 150k a year later. But it's really sad to see him forcing himself to get back into "kill destroy mode".. because he says that's the only way you can mentally handle the things they do. You have to turn into a cold killing machine. So yeah.. he had every right to resign, but they changed it, and said he couldn't. Fucked up.
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#3129949 - 09/13/04 02:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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dustin said: 900 a month is insanely cheap?!?!
yes. the best efficiency apartment I could find in this area was 800 a month. That's like 100 sqaure feet. These guys are paying 900 a month for a rent-locked house that is going to be demo as soon as they move out, so they can build a huge mansion on the property. Most houses around here sell between 300,000-1 mil., and renting on average is 2-3k a month for your average 2-3 bedroom house.
So I should probably move south a little or something. Live with all the mexicans, they know whats up.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129955 - 09/13/04 02:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Keep in mind that it may be a solution to your economic problems...but many times it's only a temporary solution. I know quite a few people who went into the military to get out of the rut they were in and came back from it only to return to that same rut....only difference was the things they had put themselves through.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129973 - 09/13/04 02:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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where i live a 3 bedroom house with a backyard and everything will run around 600-800 a month
a decent house.. not REALLY nice but not trash either.. in a nice little neighborhood and everything..
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3129976 - 09/13/04 02:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Currently I'm paying about 1200 a month in rent and utilities, and I live in a house with THREE roommates.

you need to move man! go live in a smaller place nearby, that's probably a lot cheaper.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: stefan]
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yeah, if I just move out of the DC area, rent would drop by at least half. There's towns I could move to 30 miles south where rent would be like 700 a month for a townhouse I could split with roommates. This paying all my money for rent and shit is getting rediculous. heh, maybe I'll just go live with my friends in their dirty old house, since they are only paying like 150 each per month to live there.
Anyway, I've got a lot to think about. But right now I have to go back to work and finish this job. Thank you all for your helpful advice and may love and light shine on ye all
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3130186 - 09/13/04 03:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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The military isn't that bad if you go into the air force. Don't get suckered into the marines or navy. The air force has it so much better when it comes to just little rules like how long your hair can be etc. And you don't have to do boat time.
My brother was a genius and had a full ride scholarship to cal-tech. He went for a year and dropped out due to burnout. Then he came back and really didn't have any goals or any drive to succeed for a coulple years and then decided to go into the air force. He was in software engineering and when his 4 years was up he now gets subcontracted by them and gets paid about 60-70K a year.
It was probably one of the best choices he's ever made. My other brother went into the navy right after high school and he got to live in japan for about 2 years, then in san diego for 3 more years. He sailed thed world and went to australia, south korea, hawaii, all on the governments bill. He liked the places but hated the boat. Now he has a nice gi bill and can go to school where ever he wants for free.
The military has a lot of bullshit but it gives you time to get your feet on your ground and let you decide what you want to do.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3130236 - 09/13/04 03:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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 i remember me making a couple posts about this and you always saying 'don't do it!!' well, i haven't done it yet, but i'm real close. dustin is smart though, join the navy or coast gaurd if you do. i've had alot of friends in all branches of the military and the coast gaurd and navy were a little 'slacker' than the others. i don't know if slack is a good word, but these guys smoked weed and all sorts of shit. plus, in time of war, you'd want to be on a boat or in a positiion where you don't have to really 'fight'.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3130261 - 09/13/04 03:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Didn't read all the replies cuz I only have a minute- but, as a friend- I BEG you not to do it. PLEASE! You will totally totally regret it, and you could end up KILLING innocent people, or dying for the corporate machine. Those two things seem to be against everything you believe in. DON'T DO IT. There is always a better way. I am just saying this because I care about you.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Phishgrrl]
#3130303 - 09/13/04 03:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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unless he joins infantry, or some other form of ground pounders - he won't be killing anybody. shroomism, you work carpentry right? you could even join the seabees. i knew a bunch of seabees that basically just built shit all day. houses...buildings. all sorts of stuff like that. they are basically the carpenters. maybe that would be a good choice for you? i think alot of people have a seriously skewed sense of the military. maybe they only think of like the 10% that actually go into war. first of all, you have to be qualified and trained for that. you could even get a silly ass job in an office as a clerical aid if you wanted.. when i used to hang out with alot of military guys, i noticed they were all like me and probably like you too. smoke weed...needed some stable job...didn't know what the fuck else to do...things like that. they all pretty much have the same story..
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: felix]
#3130471 - 09/13/04 04:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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If I had to do it all over I would have joined the coast guard!!!!!!
Good luck shroomism....
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3130486 - 09/13/04 04:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I am currently making $13/hour doing construction and electrical work.
Check into the electrician's apprenticeship program of NATJC to work through the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. You may qualify with your experience to start out at a higher level after some tests. They have good training, retirement and health insurance programs. Please don't become a tool for the state, we don't want you coming home in a body bag.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: blink]
#3131137 - 09/13/04 07:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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if money is the root problem here let me give you some advise. im a business major in school and i have learned alot. i was working around town at random jobs here and there maybee making 10 an hour if i was lucky. and then i realised that i could maek much more money if i was to work for myself. i bought a lawnmower and started knocking on doors. i make what i used to make in 30 hours in 5 hours. and in the winter on the eeast coast there is alot of money to be made in snow removal. people in rich areas such as the one you live in are chumps. they will pay giant amounts of money to avoid 30 minutes of work on their houses or property. even with a shovel you could bank. also people like paying the local kid or guy with money proplems more than they like paying a big company, it makes them feel good. half of the people i work for give me more money per job than they are billed for, why?, because im a college student trying to make it in the world. and one more thing, if you do things in cash, no taxes.
this involves alot of motovation, and dicipline, but i can give you some advise on this if you want some./
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3131152 - 09/13/04 07:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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our good friend...all is not so bad as you make it out to be. it's always good to remember to work with shadow once in a while as well 
lets scrape all theat negativity aside for just a moment so we can have a clear mind. this way we can think of more options. psst...smoke some herb 
so how long have you been doing construction and electric for?
even though I don't normally recommend this is most cases, come to california. simple construction tasks will land you a job at least 20 bucks an hour, there's more to do here in cali, you'll never be out of work.
electrical tasks will get you at around 20-25 bucks an hour.
become an apprentice, or if you are qualified enough, become a journeyman. that's right, join the union! the unions out here in california are wonderful, and they really take care of their employees. this way you get your medical, a wonderful base pay, and lots of chances to move up and make what most make which is around 35-40 an hour here.
this is just one suggestion.
another would be to take some electrical classes, to have a certain skill, and then go anywhere in the united states and get a decent job.
either than or move to another country and start over. there's nothing ever wrong with starting over somewhere else.
the united states isn't one of the most livable places on earth, and it shows.
but by no means make that mistake by working hte for the man in the worst possible way, especially since you are at odds with it to begin with. my friend went into the airforce, he even is assigned to do shit with nuclear research, and while he's at a good position, he is so at odds with himself and with reality.
as in literally, the process with boot camp and just being in the military is a mental brainwash that can't compare to many other places (this is jsut what I heard from people who are in it).
we've got this military up based on people who can't find decent work where they live and so the military is an option out. not a cool process to begin with, cause people are signing up for money.
you work 45 plus hours a week, at 20 bucks an hour here that's about 46,800 dollars a year, with benefits. just join the military for four years, and they'll give you 40,000 for 4 years towards college.
which is the better choice?
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3131251 - 09/13/04 07:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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i would personally not be able or wanting to do that.... but, what about things like forest rangers or park rangers? wouldn't that provide the security of a govt job, without the whole having to work for a military industrial corporate killing machine with jack ass george at the reins?
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3131286 - 09/13/04 07:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did a stint in the Army. 3 years
If I had one choice to make all over again this would be it
GO reserves.... NOT full time because, if you don't like it, then you only suffer part time. But if you like it, they will put you on full time before you can even finish asking.
I think every person should be made to go into service one time in there life.
So I think you should do it.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Fucknuckle]
#3131367 - 09/13/04 08:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fucknuckle said:
GO reserves.... NOT full time because, if you don't like it, then you only suffer part time. But if you like it, they will put you on full time before you can even finish asking.
like 60% of the troops in iraq are reservists
thats why i said not to go into it
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#3131446 - 09/13/04 08:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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dustin said:
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Fucknuckle said:
GO reserves.... NOT full time because, if you don't like it, then you only suffer part time. But if you like it, they will put you on full time before you can even finish asking.
like 60% of the troops in iraq are reservists
thats why i said not to go into it
and what percentage of those were kids who needed some money for school, or wanted free job training? jesus, poor kids!
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3131645 - 09/13/04 08:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You dont seem like the type to be in the military. I know when times get tough the military seems like a good option, but what would you end of sacrificing? You're views on the world and your feeling of place in the universe is undoubtably going to be upset in some way if your military career is successful. I'm not questioning your integrity, but the military can change people, thats what they're in business to do. I would never join the military, at least not now with my objections to our foreign policies, because I feel like it would risk affecting my individuality.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3131890 - 09/13/04 09:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Military is a last last last fucken resort. I pleed you to find another way. I had a friend kinda cohersed by a recruiter into joining and is regretting it.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3132257 - 09/13/04 10:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited: cause i see you have already realized what i was going to say. Definately relocation, its too expensive to live there man, it has one of the highest rates of living in the country. But i do hear it is pretty... There has got to be some ways where you can start banking cash and not getting fucked with housing. But it comes back to where you live...
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: baraka]
#3132279 - 09/13/04 10:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomism, I didn't read all the replies, because I started reading a lot of things it seemed like people were assuming. First off, I am currently in the Air Force. What can I say, I met my wife in the Air Force, I drive a nice car, I have really nice things, money in the bank. It has paid me well, tuition is currently %100 paid for. I have gotten an annual raise, I pay not 1 penny for my house off base, nor my food, they give my both my wife and I plenty of money for all of that. Every year we get a clothing allowance for uniforms. Yes there is a chance you will get deployed/go to war, you will get paid much more for hazard pay. The money is great, no matter what anyone tells you. Do I like the Air Force? Not at this point. Why? It isn't my style, I went in because I had no direction in life. Part of the reason I probably don't like it is my job, but as a whole, I'm not a fan of the service. One thing you will never have to worry about is losing your job, unless you do something really stupid. You always have a paycheck, always have a job. Yes you are at the mercy of the government which fucking sucks, but it ain't forever. I have 5 months left in the service. Currently the Air Force is doing a program where they are getting rid of people, too many members right now. I applied to get out early and got approved, I'm ready to move on. In 5 months my wife and I will have served 4 years. It's a scary feeling to be getting out because the security goes bye bye, but I'm ready to get the fuck out of here. I have more material things than I've ever had, we both have over $40,000 for school each and only had to pay $1800 each for it. I have discipline and a good work ethic, the military taught me this. I know this is long so I'm going to end it. I'm not trying to sell you on the idea by any means, what I am telling you is if you do it, it ain't a bad move. Fuck the bonus shit, sign up for 4 years, not 6. Also pick a line of work that you will be able to use when you get. Weed time in 5 months . PM me if you want to know anything else man. Good luck. Edit: In your line of work, it's going to pay good regardless, I would suggest moving somewhere cheaper. I'm going to be moving to N.C, living is cheap there, and with that line of work, you will still get paid good. You can find some really really cheap places to live in N.C.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3132512 - 09/13/04 11:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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sometimes drastic change is good
sometimes killing sacred cows needs to happen
if the military still doesnt seem right, then move, just do it
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3133162 - 09/14/04 03:50 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude, get a job at Wal*Mart. Overnight pay is like $9 an hour, and all sorts of benefits will kick in for you... its not bad work, either. 
You'll always be able to find a Wal*Mart in your area that is hiring.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3133183 - 09/14/04 04:08 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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if your gonna join, choose air force, then 2nd choice would be the navy. just dont give those fuckers your info (the office in fairfax), because i made that mistake and the navy calls me and has shown up at my house before, even after i told them im not interested.
the pro's are definitely there, a. you get to see the world, b. you can gain discipline if you dont have it already, and c. they give you training, food, a salary and a roof over your head. there is the chance of having to go to war though, which sucks if its not a war you believe is in our countries best interest (say we invade iran or some whacked out shit) if anything i would check out the air force.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: synthesis]
#3133252 - 09/14/04 05:03 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Isn't it your destiny as Americans to kill sandniggers and their bastard children, spreadin' democracy as you go a long?
Go for it.
PS. I hear Iranian poontang is quite good. If you hurry up and join now, you might get to rape some. War is such fun!
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3133310 - 09/14/04 06:07 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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don't go to the military.!!! it doesn't suit you!! you can find other things to do!! you can..!!
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3133537 - 09/14/04 08:59 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't do it! Like Desiree said, a guy with long hair waaay hot! Having beautiful locks is a great reason not to join a group that is going to make you cut them off! 
I'd say move to a cheaper place, maybe to the south? Can your friends commute to you for jam sessions? Or, if you live in the city, can you rely on the public transport system and sell your car? That would save a lot of money on gas! Ask your friends for help, that is what they are there for! I'd let you live with me for free, but you aren't in Iowa... For as much as you're paying a month, I could get a luxery apartment, or rent a nice house here!
Don't go against what you believe, it will only make you miserable. If you like electrical work, why not go to a two-year or apprentice school? Electricians make good money, and school loans have low interest rates. Stick with it! I know you'll make it out alright! Know that all of us here in the pub are sending our best karma your way.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3133559 - 09/14/04 09:03 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm going into the army right now... I leave next month....
The army is the easiest one to get promoted in, if you're in it for the money.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3133586 - 09/14/04 09:09 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah man, sorry to hear your having troubles. But if you truley feel that the military isn't for you, then don't sign up...
Tough out the the tough and before you know you'll be where life has you to be.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: funkymonk]
#3133650 - 09/14/04 09:26 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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shroomism, your a good guy.
I feel for your plight, its all too common these days, its fucking tough for a young guy to get a break, especially artist types .
But what you are talking about is becoming a professional mercenary. You are talking about becoming a killer for hire, in the service of a government that is in turn in service of big buisness.
"It's free"
well i would fucking hope so. What do they want you to pay them to sign away your life as a contract killer?
"free training, free skills"
Training? the training is 90% brainwashing and mental indoctrination. They will work steadily to subvert your moral judgment and your personality to make you a more effective killer. In addition they will teach you techniques to kill people.
i realize that their are jobs in the military aside from infantry , jobs that are not directly in the line of fire, but the ethical questions are more or less the same, and without any technical skills or degrees you are unlikely to qualify for any of those positions.
" but I just can't talk myself into it. "
good. please stop trying.
This life is short, and sometimes it is very hard. Financial problems get you down. But if you were to ask every person in history what single experience they would most dearly like never to have had, it would be war.
War is right up their in the worst possible human experiences. Please dont willingly put yourself in that situation for less money than a beurocrat gets to push paper.
Once you join, your moral decisions are gone. You will not have the choice of what you do and dont do. You will not be granted the luxury of deciding for yourself what is right and wrong. You may well (almost definitely will) end up in a situation where you are killing human beings for totally absurd reasons, with no choice in the matter.
When you get out of the military, you may be maimed, disfigured, traumatized or dead. In addition you will have bad memories to last you your whole life.
Your only defense from that guilt and fear will be total adherence to the military indoctrination propagandha.
In short, you are talking about selling your mind, body and soul to corporate interest.
For the love of god shroomism PLEASE DONT DO IT!
the military thrives on the sale of human life. They realise that people like you are out there desperate to get by, and thats how the military works. But please man their are alternative options!
you have a beutifull mind! potentials, possibilities! all that will be gone when you put on that uniform and pick up that gun. You will have traded your divine god given human potentials for the chance to be a machine of death, one of billions of soldiers throughout history, killing and being killed for reasons they dont understand, with the spoils of their work going to the rich who never had to see or spill a drop of blood.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3133696 - 09/14/04 09:39 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: yeah, if I just move out of the DC area, rent would drop by at least half. There's towns I could move to 30 miles south where rent would be like 700 a month for a townhouse I could split with roommates. This paying all my money for rent and shit is getting rediculous. heh, maybe I'll just go live with my friends in their dirty old house, since they are only paying like 150 each per month to live there.
Anyway, I've got a lot to think about. But right now I have to go back to work and finish this job. Thank you all for your helpful advice and may love and light shine on ye all
yo i hear ya man. i'm up here too and its insanely expensive. the prices have skyrocketed here, my parents bought theyre house here in nova about 17 years ago at 270,000 and its now worth easily over 500,000. im living back with my parents, making around what you make. its nearly impossible to rent around here making what we make.
i'd move further south in VA or out towards west va but theres hardly any jobs there. in my case i'm just saving up enough money to move south also, but to florida probably. a lot cheaper places to live but of typically you dont make as much money there. i've lived in nova almost all my life and need to get outta this place
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: synthesis]
#3133734 - 09/14/04 09:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I know this may sound crazy... but lots of people are making good money with jobs like - http://jobsearch.monster.com/jobsearch.asp?q=kuwait&re=0&sort=rv&tm=&vw=b&cy=US&brd=1%2C1862%2C1863 Many people who are work one year contracts in Kuwait are doing very well. Do a little homework and you will find that Kuwait is a REALLY nice place. Its not Iraq, Israel, etc... Kuwait has a very strong economy and has little/no violence. So many people make the assumption that Kuwait is as violent as Iraq and other Middle Eastern countries that they see on TV. When in Reality, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and many other Middle Eastern Countries aren't bad place. "US-GA-Kuwait-Wheel Vehicle Mechanic - Kuwait - $52k++, Tax-Free" Can you change tires "US-CA-Kuwait-Firefighter - Kuwait - $56k++, Tax-Free" If you did this, you could come back here and probably get a job with any Fire Station in the US Benefits: We recognize people as our most valuable asset. Our competitive salary and benefits package includes a cash bonus, profit sharing, a recruitment bonus program, relocation assistance, dental insurance, medical insurance, disability benefits, prescription drug coverage, life insurance, a vision-care plan, paid sick time, a shared company car, paid company holidays, on-site personal services, and paid vacations." All this for one years work. Get all of your medical work done. Make some money TAX FREE and one year is definitely better than 4 Its just another option. Lana
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HarveyWalbanger
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Moonshoe]
#3133753 - 09/14/04 09:54 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jesus christ man... you're saying HE'LL be brainwashed... you've brainwashed yourself. Quote:
you have a beutifull mind! potentials, possibilities! all that will be gone when you put on that uniform and pick up that gun. You will have traded your divine god given human potentials for the chance to be a machine of death, one of billions of soldiers throughout history, killing and being killed for reasons they dont understand, with the spoils of their work going to the rich who never had to see or spill a drop of blood.
Is he going to immediatly cease being shroomism? He's not inhabited by satan, hes probably repairing broken devices in the comfort of a base. God'll never forgive that will he? My dad enlisted durring vietnam.... he ended up repairing things in germany, like he asked... they didnt trick him, they put him right where he signed up for... thats one advantage the army has over all the others. You sign up for a job, and a place, and its guaranteed to you. The airforce and navy? You sign up for a field, like electrical, and they put you somewhere they need someone.
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Moonshoe
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
#3133775 - 09/14/04 10:00 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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i mean if you can get a job in a reasonably safe area doing non combative work, ok , maybe thats a good option.
Im just saying, dont kill for money, dont die for money,
and ive heard from many people what combat service is like, and almost universally they say 'when you join the army you stop being a person, and when you get out its hard to get it back' ya know, to that effect.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
#3133782 - 09/14/04 10:02 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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the only branch he may have a chance of really being completely brainwashed is marines. army is almost as bad. the marines go through the toughest bootcamp, when they really just want to strip you of your personality and you become just a number, a killing machine property of uncle sam. the air force's is cake compared to marines bootcamp.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3134040 - 09/14/04 11:17 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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my advice.
drop out of society and live in the woods in idaho or wyoming.
~JSlice~
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3134108 - 09/14/04 11:42 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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shroomism---
SERIOUSLY LOOK INTO WORKING FOR A COMPANY IN FL, FOR HURRICANE RELIEF
SERIUOSLY GOOD MONEY
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Moonshoe
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: goobler]
#3134205 - 09/14/04 12:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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^^^ do it man, good money, good karma, no problem!
ill bet it helps you get laid too!
although women love a man in uniform...
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Moonshoe]
#3134286 - 09/14/04 12:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Only the fedEx type.
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Shroomism
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Phishgrrl]
#3135186 - 09/14/04 04:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I want to sincerly thank everyone for their advce in this thread, and the support I have been receiving through PMs. I've made my decision.. and I am NOT going to join the military. You all make very good points, and it is just not worth it to me. Just today, we got a ton of new work that will keep our schedule busy for the next two months, and I should get a good amount of overtime and extra pay in... I'm going to be looking into electrical training to get a journeymans license, as I've been doing electrical work for almost a year with a master electrician, so I think I would just have to brush up on a few things, maybe do it a little longer, and take the test. Goobler - hurricane relief in florida sounds pretty good.. but isn't hurricane season almost over? I thought it was only like 3 months of the year. Anyway, that's still a possibility, my band wants to get out of the area, and perhaps I could convince them to move south and we could get a place down there.. I know it's like ten times cheaper to live down there. Plus, Tampa has the best metal scene in the US , at least it used to. So to everyone that PMed me with your concerns, I'm not going to do it. Thank you all for your support it really means a lot to me Me.. I'm just going to put the gear to the grindstone or whatever the fuck that term is, work my ass off, save & spend more wisely, and just see where the universe guides me. Love, Light and Good Vibes to all of you
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3135555 - 09/14/04 05:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3135868 - 09/14/04 06:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I say don't do it.
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rvd3201
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#3135879 - 09/14/04 06:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Shroomism said: I'm going to be looking into electrical training to get a journeymans license, as I've been doing electrical work for almost a year with a master electrician, so I think I would just have to brush up on a few things, maybe do it a little longer, and take the test.
that is what i told him to do in pm. I am the man
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Phishgrrl]
#12386474 - 04/13/10 04:33 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Phishgrrl said: Only the fedEx type.
They deliver packages to all the lovely ladies.
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Event
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: PoisonCrazy]
#12387576 - 04/13/10 07:14 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just got out of the military after a 6 year contract. Your title is asking for advice so here it is. Don't join.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Event]
#12394610 - 04/14/10 08:24 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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5 year necro. Shroomism still posts here though, so I'm guessing he *didn't* join the military.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Humility]
#12400239 - 04/15/10 09:19 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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LOL at bringing back a 6 year old thread.
But yea, I'm sure shroomism is looking back, and glad he didn't join Things just went downhill.
Joining the military is a cop out if your heart isn't fully in it. I'd rather be who I am, live the way I want, and find a way to afford my bills and rent, which is what I am doing now
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xtokex
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: tekramrepus]
#12401734 - 04/16/10 01:49 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea I know a guy who is doing that Army scholarship for college (covers tuition up to 100g's) in return for 4 years in the Army reserves + 4 more years of service after he gets out of college (he'll still get paid for the service).. Hes planning to get that over with then start a family once he gets out and use his college degree to get a job. So by the time he gets out he will be like 26 and the fun part of his life would be pretty much over. Thats a pretty big comitment at such a young age and a huge gamble in regards to banking on getting a job w/ his college degree once he gets out It's def. a smart move to avoid the military at all costs IMO, because it will skew your views and leave you with a life long mind fuck of the entire experience...
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: xtokex]
#12403869 - 04/16/10 01:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
and if I was working full time, I wouldn't be in school.. get it?
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Definitely do-able. Happens all the time.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: memes]
#12428027 - 04/20/10 06:30 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shroomism, if you end up reading this shit, how about giving us a 5-year update? : )
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c1dh3d
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: ChuangTzu]
#12441850 - 04/23/10 02:11 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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My brother was in a much worse position than you, and he found a fat chick on some dating site, nailed her, and she pretty much adopted him animal shelter style.
So, if you don't mind snakin some bacon from time to time, this could be an alternative to signing your soul over to the government.
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Nexius
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: c1dh3d]
#12444601 - 04/23/10 03:54 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bro, the military ain't that bad
You have a few options, get a 2 year in a foreign language
Your chances of getting deployed there is better
96% of the military is not at war
go figure
It's not that bad, it'll set your ass straight, there's so many benefits from it
Why not mooch off the governement
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Nexius]
#12456378 - 04/25/10 09:18 PM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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nexius has a point. there is alot to gain from the military.. a lot of qualities i lack. the military will teach you many things about yourself that you didn't know from what I've heard. plus, bookoo benefits. my parents are pressuring me to join but I'm not ready to be controlled 24 7, 36 5. have any thoughts of relocating?
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: 5meow]
#12458026 - 04/26/10 03:45 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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Anyone contemplating joining the military should work on wildland fires for a year first. Now, I've never been in the military, so maybe I lack insight that would otherwise change my thinking here. But the firefighting organization is structured the same way as the military. Except it doesn't involve killing people. It draws the same crowd. It's a similar experience, just scaled down: you're away from home for weeks/months, part of a huge operation with a single goal, you see how inefficient government-run bureaucracies are, you learn discipline, you build muscle, you'll be bored out of your mind for days on end sometimes etc etc. And then it gets cold, the fires go out, and there's no obligation to do it again. Plus you've saved $8-15k depending on the season and your financial sensibilities. The training is only a week and they'll take anyone (contract crews will, anyway). It's got to be the best preview for what being committed to the military is like.
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Shroomism
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: ChuangTzu]
#12463562 - 04/27/10 03:19 AM (13 years, 9 months ago) |
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ChuangTzu said: Shroomism, if you end up reading this shit, how about giving us a 5-year update? : )
I didn't fucking join What was I thinking, man I must have been going through a psychotic episode
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#12503882 - 05/04/10 09:36 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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You know, I used to be against all things govt related, but that was just brought about by my punk rock youth angst. All of my family has been or still is in the military. I see it as a great opportunity for a career. Especially the Air Force. Do what you feel is right, man. It is your only life.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#12713658 - 06/09/10 06:06 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do it
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GI_Luvmoney
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
#12715824 - 06/09/10 04:10 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I heard that they're always looking for people in Alaska. They usually pay twice as much and you work half as much. You don't have to join the military to work there, either.
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GrowWannaBe
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: GI_Luvmoney]
#12730059 - 06/12/10 04:52 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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whats up man. Im in the army right now. I got 2 years in now. I was also in debt up to my eye balls before i joined. one big reason i joined for sure. also free/cheap school cant beat that. They pay me 2k a month to go to school on top of paying for classes books everything. its not a ton but when all you have to buy is food its plenty. they will also take care of those teeth for you free. It would really help you get your feet planted on solid ground for sure. within a year you could be debt free and doing alot better. plus you could pick a computer type job in the military and bam free schooling that will land you a job making real money. Everything your having trouble with joining would help you out
heres the flip side. I was very sad the day they cut my hair Also you said you didnt want to leave where you live well if you join active duty guess what youll be leaving there. they will send you anywhere and you cant say no. BUT if you join the reserve you pick a unit by your house and trust me theres alot. And you will only have to go there one weekend a month. and 2 weeks a year youll have to do some training. Its not bad at all. Youll miss one jam a month but at least youll have strings. and you also have to think about the fact that we are fighting 2 wars (well Iraq is about over) so there is the chance you would go overseas. That being said you join the right branch (airforce) and pick the right job (computer) and chances are they will never need you overseas at all!
Well thats just my 2 cents id say active duty is not for you!!! You would not like it at all. Reserve on the other hand might be just what you need. Im in the reserve myself. I love it. A pay check every month for working 2 days. and all the help they have for you with finding jobs and getting home loans and all kinds of junk like that. Well thats my insight might be the best in side veiw your going to get man good luck no matter what you choose to do
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: GrowWannaBe]
#12734747 - 06/13/10 06:11 AM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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Follow Your Dreams Not orders
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6monthman
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: FishBread]
#12780420 - 06/21/10 07:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am in the Reserves right now for the Army and it's not as bad as you guys are saying. I got $10,000 up front and I get another $10,000 after 4 years, if you get a high enough ASVAB score you can choose to do an easy military job like a photographer or whatever, (I went with Electronics and I will soon work with Predators (the eye in the sky) which is really fun) and I will get free housing after 2 years. Most people including myself would say we would actually do basic training over again. Worst part was the gas chamber where they give you a gas mask and put you in a room with a really hot pepper mix on a hotplate and make you take the mask off for about 2 to 4 minutes. You might throw up and it may burn in your lungs and on your skin but you'll live through it. Plus, no matter what job you take, you get to shoot some guns.
Edited by 6monthman (06/21/10 07:07 PM)
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Southern Smoke
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: 6monthman]
#12910113 - 07/17/10 01:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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All that doesn't sound too bad. In fact, i wish i could do the Marine's bootcamp with no obligation. With no contracts. I would drop what i was doing. The military will test you mentally and physically. Personally, i think thats great. However, as much as i'd like to test my limits in boot camp and reap the endless other benefits and opportunities.. right now that lifestyle isn't for me.
not including the fact that its a politicians war.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Southern Smoke]
#12949362 - 07/25/10 09:23 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Glad to hear that you didn't join You can manifest something more wholesome that will bring in dough.
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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: c1dh3d]
#12953837 - 07/26/10 01:35 AM (13 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
c1dh3d said: My brother was in a much worse position than you, and he found a fat chick on some dating site, nailed her, and she pretty much adopted him animal shelter style.
So, if you don't mind snakin some bacon from time to time, this could be an alternative to signing your soul over to the government.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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