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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice *DELETED* [Re: Shroomism]
    #3131023 - 09/13/04 06:42 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: blink]
    #3131137 - 09/13/04 07:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

if money is the root problem here let me give you some advise. im a business major in school and i have learned alot.
i was working around town at random jobs here and there maybee making 10 an hour if i was lucky.
and then i realised that i could maek much more money if i was to work for myself.
i bought a lawnmower and started knocking on doors. i make what i used to make in 30 hours in 5 hours.
and in the winter on the eeast coast there is alot of money to be made in snow removal.
people in rich areas such as the one you live in are chumps. they will pay giant amounts of money to avoid 30 minutes of work on their houses or property. even with a shovel you could bank.
also people like paying the local kid or guy with money proplems more than they like paying a big company, it makes them feel good. half of the people i work for give me more money per job than they are billed for, why?, because im a college student trying to make it in the world.
and one more thing, if you do things in cash, no taxes.

this involves alot of motovation, and dicipline, but i can give you some advise on this if you want some./


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3131152 - 09/13/04 07:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

our good friend...all is not so bad as you make it out to be.  it's always good to remember to work with shadow once in a while as well :wink:

lets scrape all theat negativity aside for just a moment so we can have a clear mind.  this way we can think of more options.  psst...smoke some herb :wink:

so how long have you been doing construction and electric for?

even though I don't normally recommend this is most cases, come to california.  simple construction tasks will land you a job at least 20 bucks an hour, there's more to do here in cali, you'll never be out of work. 

electrical tasks will get you at around 20-25 bucks an hour.

become an apprentice, or if you are qualified enough, become a journeyman.  that's right, join the union!  the unions out here in california are wonderful, and they really take care of their employees. this way you get your medical, a wonderful base pay, and lots of chances to move up and make what most make which is around 35-40 an hour here. 

this is just one suggestion.

another would be to take some electrical classes, to have a certain skill, and then go anywhere in the united states and get a decent job. 

either than or move to another country and start over.  there's nothing ever wrong with starting over somewhere else. 

the united states isn't one of the most livable places on earth, and it shows. 

but by no means make that mistake by working hte for the man in the worst possible way, especially since you are at odds with it to begin with.  my friend went into the airforce, he even is assigned to do shit with nuclear research, and while he's at a good position, he is so at odds with himself and with reality.

as in literally, the process with boot camp and just being in the military is a mental brainwash that can't compare to many other places (this is jsut what I heard from people who are in it). 

we've got this military up based on people who can't find decent work where they live and so the military is an option out.  not a cool process to begin with, cause people are signing up for money.

you work 45 plus hours a week, at 20 bucks an hour here that's about 46,800 dollars a year, with benefits.  just join the military for four years, and they'll give you 40,000 for 4 years towards college. 

which is the better choice?


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3131251 - 09/13/04 07:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i would personally not be able or wanting to do that.... but, what about things like forest rangers or park rangers? wouldn't that provide the security of a govt job, without the whole having to work for a military industrial corporate killing machine with jack ass george at the reins?


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3131286 - 09/13/04 07:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I did a stint in the Army. 3 years

If I had one choice to make all over again
this would be it


GO reserves.... NOT full time because, if you don't like it, then you only suffer part time. But if you like it, they will put you on full time before you can even finish asking.

I think every person should be made to go into service one time in there life.

So I think you should do it.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3131367 - 09/13/04 08:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Fucknuckle said:

GO reserves.... NOT full time because, if you don't like it, then you only suffer part time. But if you like it, they will put you on full time before you can even finish asking.






like 60% of the troops in iraq are reservists

thats why i said not to go into it


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: ]
    #3131446 - 09/13/04 08:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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dustin said:
Quote:

Fucknuckle said:

GO reserves.... NOT full time because, if you don't like it, then you only suffer part time. But if you like it, they will put you on full time before you can even finish asking.






like 60% of the troops in iraq are reservists

thats why i said not to go into it




and what percentage of those were kids who needed some money for school, or wanted free job training? jesus, poor kids!  :sad:


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3131645 - 09/13/04 08:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

You dont seem like the type to be in the military. I know when times get tough the military seems like a good option, but what would you end of sacrificing? You're views on the world and your feeling of place in the universe is undoubtably going to be upset in some way if your military career is successful. I'm not questioning your integrity, but the military can change people, thats what they're in business to do. I would never join the military, at least not now with my objections to our foreign policies, because I feel like it would risk affecting my individuality.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3131890 - 09/13/04 09:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Military is a last last last fucken resort. I pleed you to find another way. I had a friend kinda cohersed by a recruiter into joining and is regretting it.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3132257 - 09/13/04 10:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Edited: cause i see you have already realized what i was going to say.

Definately relocation, its too expensive to live there man, it has one of the highest rates of living in the country. But i do hear it is pretty... There has got to be some ways where you can start banking cash and not getting fucked with housing. But it comes back to where you live...


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: baraka]
    #3132279 - 09/13/04 10:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Shroomism, I didn't read all the replies, because I started reading a lot of things it seemed like people were assuming.  First off, I am currently in the Air Force.  What can I say, I met my wife in the Air Force, I drive a nice car, I have really nice things, money in the bank.  It has paid me well, tuition is currently %100 paid for.  I have gotten an annual raise, I pay not 1 penny for my house off base, nor my food, they give my both my wife and I plenty of money for all of that.  Every year we get a clothing allowance for uniforms.  Yes there is a chance you will get deployed/go to war, you will get paid much more for hazard pay.  The money is great, no matter what anyone tells you.

Do I like the Air Force?  Not at this point.  Why?  It isn't my style, I went in because I had no direction in life.  Part of the reason I probably don't like it is my job, but as a whole, I'm not a fan of the service.  One thing you will never have to worry about is losing your job, unless you do something really stupid.  You always have a paycheck, always have a job.  Yes you are at the mercy of the government which fucking sucks, but it ain't forever.

I have 5 months left in the service.  Currently the Air Force is doing a program where they are getting rid of people, too many members right now.  I applied to get out early and got approved, I'm ready to move on.  In 5 months my wife and I will have served 4 years.  It's a scary feeling to be getting out because the security goes bye bye, but I'm ready to get the fuck out of here.  I have more material things than I've ever had, we both have over $40,000 for school each and only had to pay $1800 each for it.  I have discipline and a good work ethic, the military taught me this.  I know this is long so I'm going to end it.  I'm not trying to sell you on the idea by any means, what I am telling you is if you do it, it ain't a bad move.  Fuck the bonus shit, sign up for 4 years, not 6.  Also pick a line of work that you will be able to use when you get.  Weed time in 5 months  :grin:.  PM me if you want to know anything else man.  Good luck.

Edit:  In your line of work, it's going to pay good regardless, I would suggest moving somewhere cheaper.  I'm going to be moving to N.C, living is cheap there, and with that line of work, you will still get paid good.  You can find some really really cheap places to live in N.C.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3132512 - 09/13/04 11:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

sometimes drastic change is good

sometimes killing sacred cows needs to happen

if the military still doesnt seem right, then move, just do it


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3133162 - 09/14/04 03:50 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Dude, get a job at Wal*Mart. Overnight pay is like $9 an hour, and all sorts of benefits will kick in for you... its not bad work, either. :wink:

You'll always be able to find a Wal*Mart in your area that is hiring.

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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3133183 - 09/14/04 04:08 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

if your gonna join, choose air force, then 2nd choice would be the navy. just dont give those fuckers your info (the office in fairfax), because i made that mistake and the navy calls me and has shown up at my house before, even after i told them im not interested.

the pro's are definitely there, a. you get to see the world, b. you can gain discipline if you dont have it already, and c. they give you training, food, a salary and a roof over your head. there is the chance of having to go to war though, which sucks if its not a war you believe is in our countries best interest (say we invade iran or some whacked out shit)
if anything i would check out the air force.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: synthesis]
    #3133252 - 09/14/04 05:03 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Isn't it your destiny as Americans to kill sandniggers and their bastard children, spreadin' democracy as you go a long?

Go for it.

PS.
I hear Iranian poontang is quite good. If you hurry up and join now, you might get to rape some. War is such fun!


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3133310 - 09/14/04 06:07 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

don't go to the military.!!! it doesn't suit you!! you can find other things to do!! you can..!!


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3133537 - 09/14/04 08:59 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Don't do it! Like Desiree said, a guy with long hair waaay hot!  :loveeyes: Having beautiful locks is a great reason not to join a group that is going to make you cut them off!  :frown:

I'd say move to a cheaper place, maybe to the south? Can your friends commute to you for jam sessions? Or, if you live in the city, can you rely on the public transport system and sell your car? That would save a lot of money on gas! Ask your friends for help, that is what they are there for! I'd let you live with me for free, but you aren't in Iowa... For as much as you're paying a month, I could get a luxery apartment, or rent a nice house here!

Don't go against what you believe, it will only make you miserable. If you like electrical work, why not go to a two-year or apprentice school? Electricians make good money, and school loans have low interest rates. Stick with it! I know you'll make it out alright! Know that all of us here in the pub are sending our best karma your way.

Don't cut the hair!

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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3133559 - 09/14/04 09:03 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going into the army right now... I leave next month....


The army is the easiest one to get promoted in, if you're in it for the money.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3133586 - 09/14/04 09:09 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Ah man, sorry to hear your having troubles. But if you truley feel that the military isn't for you, then don't sign up...

Tough out the the tough and before you know you'll be where life has you to be.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: funkymonk]
    #3133650 - 09/14/04 09:26 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

shroomism, your a good guy.

I feel for your plight, its all too common these days, its fucking tough for a young guy to get a break, especially artist types
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But what you are talking about is becoming a professional mercenary. You are talking about becoming a killer for hire, in the service of a government that is in turn in service of big buisness.


"It's free"

well i would fucking hope so. What do they want you to pay them to sign away your life as a contract killer?

"free training, free skills"

Training? the training is 90% brainwashing and mental indoctrination. They will work steadily to subvert your moral judgment and your personality to make you a more effective killer. In addition they will teach you techniques to kill people.

i realize that their are jobs in the military aside from infantry , jobs that are not directly in the line of fire, but the ethical questions are more or less the same, and without any technical skills or degrees you are unlikely to qualify for any of those positions.

" but I just can't talk myself into it. "

good. please stop trying.


This life is short, and sometimes it is very hard. Financial problems get you down. But if you were to ask every person in history what single experience they would most dearly like never to have had, it would be war.

War is right up their in the worst possible human experiences. Please dont willingly put yourself in that situation for less money than a beurocrat gets to push paper.

Once you join, your moral decisions are gone. You will not have the choice of what you do and dont do. You will not be granted the luxury of deciding for yourself what is right and wrong. You may well (almost definitely will) end up in a situation where you are killing human beings for totally absurd reasons, with no choice in the matter.

When you get out of the military, you may be maimed, disfigured, traumatized or dead. In addition you will have bad memories to last you your whole life.

Your only defense from that guilt and fear will be total adherence to the military indoctrination propagandha.

In short, you are talking about selling your mind, body and soul to corporate interest.

For the love of god shroomism PLEASE DONT DO IT!


the military thrives on the sale of human life. They realise that people like you are out there desperate to get by, and thats how the military works. But please man their are alternative options!

you have a beutifull mind! potentials, possibilities! all that will be gone when you put on that uniform and pick up that gun. You will have traded your divine god given human potentials for the chance to be a machine of death, one of billions of soldiers throughout history, killing and being killed for reasons they dont understand, with the spoils of their work going to the rich who never had to see or spill a drop of blood.


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