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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Adamist]
    #3129836 - 09/13/04 01:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

maybe! a lotta things have changed with bush in office and the war..

but ill need some proof :tongue2:


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: ]
    #3129859 - 09/13/04 01:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

as far as calling in the 50yo's... i think you still have to meet health spec before they actually put you back into duty. not too many 50yo have great blood pressure and shit like that


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3129861 - 09/13/04 01:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Wow damn lots of replies.. thanks guys

Adamist - I am in Northern Virginia. Which is precisely between Ohio and NC. You should definitely stop by.

exclusive - I hate the american system too

KOTT - I am currently making $13/hour doing construction and electrical work. That may sound like a lot but its not compared to the cost of living here. I don't think I could find a much higher paying job unless I have some special certifications or something.

I guess I just have a lot to think about and sort out. I still have tons of options I suppose. I could move west or south a little and pay about half the rent I do now.. I could shack up at a friend's house if need be, for very cheap.. they got a deal on an old house for $900 a month, which is insanely cheap, but its only because the house is falling apart and they are tearing it down when the lease it up. Currently I'm paying about 1200 a month in rent and utilities, and I live in a house with THREE roommates.

Yeah fuck the military. The money seems good but that's about where it ends. I pretty much hate the rest of it. I'll do something.. I'll figure out something. I'll do multiple things at once. Anything but killing my fellow humans for a cause I don't believe in. Really the only people I want to kill are the ones in office down the street from me. And that's the truth.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: ]
    #3129867 - 09/13/04 01:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3129870 - 09/13/04 01:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
the only people I want to kill are the ones in office down the street from me. And that's the truth.



now you may be on to something there.

think that through... your solution may lie within :crazy2:


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3129876 - 09/13/04 01:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

900 a month is insanely cheap?!?!

wow

my friend pays 250 a month for his trailer down here


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3129893 - 09/13/04 01:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Well if you do join the army, all the jobs aren't about going in other countries and killing the people. Remember "Full MEtal Jacket"? If i ever went in the army i'd like to be like the journalist in that movie, just reporting what's going on and all. what i mean is that you could try and find your place in the army that YOU feel is right.

My best friend is actually in the same position as you are. HE has no idea what job he wants to do, he has no financial aid from his family, so he's planning on joining the french army because he doesn't see any better solution for himself.
I personally disagree with him, but its his life.
Here are some positive aspects about joining the army: you get to travel to new countries, you get to build and maintain a strong and healthy body, you get to be in contact with different cultures...
i was also going to talk about getting to be a peacekeeper, which is great, but unfortunately peacekeeping isn't the favorite activity in the american army..hehe.

Of course you are going to have to submit to orders in a crude manner, but that's something you will have to get over and forget about.
If you do join the army, don't forget that they're job is to dehumanize you so that you will not hesitate to pull the trigger. Please don't loose your humanity, i beg you.

I don't know, i'd feel better going in the NATO forces or something that only serves to protect and not to attack...


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Adamist]
    #3129896 - 09/13/04 01:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I do not endorse USA Today, but:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-06-02-army-duty_x.htm




thats some news to me  :crazy:

i knew they were extending tours in iraq but i didnt know they were allowed to extend the contracts without the soldier's signature and approval..wow

one more reason not to join the army!


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #3129920 - 09/13/04 02:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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-This is a big mistake. You can always win scholarships and take out student loans, I know it seems a little dicey, but as soon as your out of collage you can land a better job...




yeah, that's an option.

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Either that, or quit your band




NOT gonna happen.

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and get a second job...




My band doesn't take up that much time, we practice once a week for about two hours.

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You should also look into the controversy, apparently the army can extend how long you serve indefinantly.




This is true. My good friend was a sniper for the army in Panama, and Desert Storm 1. He's highly decorated, and has told me some sick, fucked up stories about war. Recently he went to put in his resignation papers, and they said nope.. you are on active duty for another 3 years minimum, and you are being shipped to baghdad next month. However since he's already served in two wars and has all these credentials, he's getting paid out the ass. I think he's coming home with about 150k a year later. But it's really sad to see him forcing himself to get back into "kill destroy mode".. because he says that's the only way you can mentally handle the things they do. You have to turn into a cold killing machine. So yeah.. he had every right to resign, but they changed it, and said he couldn't. Fucked up.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: ]
    #3129949 - 09/13/04 02:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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dustin said:
900 a month is insanely cheap?!?!





yes.
the best efficiency apartment I could find in this area was 800 a month. That's like 100 sqaure feet. These guys are paying 900 a month for a rent-locked house that is going to be demo as soon as they move out, so they can build a huge mansion on the property. Most houses around here sell between 300,000-1 mil., and renting on average is 2-3k a month for your average 2-3 bedroom house.

So I should probably move south a little or something. Live with all the mexicans, they know whats up.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3129955 - 09/13/04 02:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Keep in mind that it may be a solution to your economic problems...but many times it's only a temporary solution. I know quite a few people who went into the military to get out of the rut they were in and came back from it only to return to that same rut....only difference was the things they had put themselves through.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3129973 - 09/13/04 02:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

where i live a 3 bedroom house with a backyard and everything will run around 600-800 a month

a decent house.. not REALLY nice but not trash either.. in a nice little neighborhood and everything..


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3129976 - 09/13/04 02:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Currently I'm paying about 1200 a month in rent and utilities, and I live in a house with THREE roommates.



:eek: :eek: :eek:

you need to move man! go live in a smaller place nearby, that's probably a lot cheaper.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: stefan]
    #3130058 - 09/13/04 02:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, if I just move out of the DC area, rent would drop by at least half. There's towns I could move to 30 miles south where rent would be like 700 a month for a townhouse I could split with roommates. This paying all my money for rent and shit is getting rediculous. heh, maybe I'll just go live with my friends in their dirty old house, since they are only paying like 150 each per month to live there.

Anyway, I've got a lot to think about. But right now I have to go back to work and finish this job. Thank you all for your helpful advice and may love and light shine on ye all :smile: :heart: :sun:


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3130186 - 09/13/04 03:09 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The military isn't that bad if you go into the air force. Don't get suckered into the marines or navy. The air force has it so much better when it comes to just little rules like how long your hair can be etc. And you don't have to do boat time.

My brother was a genius and had a full ride scholarship to cal-tech. He went for a year and dropped out due to burnout. Then he came back and really didn't have any goals or any drive to succeed for a coulple years and then decided to go into the air force. He was in software engineering and when his 4 years was up he now gets subcontracted by them and gets paid about 60-70K a year.

It was probably one of the best choices he's ever made. My other brother went into the navy right after high school and he got to live in japan for about 2 years, then in san diego for 3 more years. He sailed thed world and went to australia, south korea, hawaii, all on the governments bill. He liked the places but hated the boat. Now he has a nice gi bill and can go to school where ever he wants for free.

The military has a lot of bullshit but it gives you time to get your feet on your ground and let you decide what you want to do.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3130236 - 09/13/04 03:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

:laugh:
i remember me making a couple posts about this and you always saying 'don't do it!!'
well, i haven't done it yet, but i'm real close.  dustin is smart though, join the navy or coast gaurd if you do.  i've had alot of friends in all branches of the military and the coast gaurd and navy were a little 'slacker' than the others.  i don't know if slack is a good word, but these guys smoked weed and all sorts of shit.  plus, in time of war, you'd want to be on a boat or in a positiion where you don't have to really 'fight'.


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3130261 - 09/13/04 03:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Didn't read all the replies cuz I only have a minute- but, as a friend- I BEG you not to do it. PLEASE! You will totally totally regret it, and you could end up KILLING innocent people, or dying for the corporate machine. Those two things seem to be against everything you believe in. DON'T DO IT. There is always a better way. I am just saying this because I care about you.  :frown:


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Phishgrrl]
    #3130303 - 09/13/04 03:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

unless he joins infantry, or some other form of ground pounders - he won't be killing anybody.

shroomism, you work carpentry right? you could even join the seabees. i knew a bunch of seabees that basically just built shit all day. houses...buildings. all sorts of stuff like that. they are basically the carpenters. maybe that would be a good choice for you?

i think alot of people have a seriously skewed sense of the military. maybe they only think of like the 10% that actually go into war. first of all, you have to be qualified and trained for that. you could even get a silly ass job in an office as a clerical aid if you wanted.. when i used to hang out with alot of military guys, i noticed they were all like me and probably like you too. smoke weed...needed some stable job...didn't know what the fuck else to do...things like that. they all pretty much have the same story..


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: felix]
    #3130471 - 09/13/04 04:36 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

If I had to do it all over
I would have joined the
coast guard!!!!!!

Good luck shroomism....


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Re: thinking of doing the unthinkable - need advice [Re: Shroomism]
    #3130486 - 09/13/04 04:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I am currently making $13/hour doing construction and electrical work.



Check into the electrician's apprenticeship program of NATJC to work through the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. You may qualify with your experience to start out at a higher level after some tests. They have good training, retirement and health insurance programs. Please don't become a tool for the state, we don't want you coming home in a body bag.


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