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seatrip
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Re: seattle area tips please [Re: spores]
#3176667 - 09/24/04 08:09 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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the blue ringers we always pick at appartments i dont know what they are we just call them that. These are small solid dark brown slimy wet looking mushes skinny brown stems thin blue line near base below grass that washes off in heavy rain or really mature ones, brown gills. grows in large patches, large ones have a little bit of a wavy cap,looks nothing like sporeworks photos of the stunzi blue ringer.i cant figure out what these are cyan/wavycap i have found and have thick white stem and lighter color of cap azures look the same but with a nippled cap here in wa. sometimes these so called blue ringers when old have dried out caps so watch out for the look alikes they have light brown cap black stem dry look there poisonous. dont always trust your picking partner learn about it yourself too. bad and good could grow in the same patch in the wild ive seen it, oh and i had a friend pick a look alike only difference was light colored gills and wernt as slimy had brownish white ring luckily they did nothing to him so make sure you see blue. and make tea you dont want worms or other nastys! gl on hunting there every where right now last year sucked so im surprised what im hearing so far from friends picks.
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mjshroomer
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Cyans do not grow in alder forests.
P. pelliculosa and P. silvatica do. and by the hundreds of thousands in cklearcuts. The clear cuts are where cedar is logged out and alder becomes crusshed with bulldosers and logginf trucks. The shrooms grow i the pilons and smashed mulch ares. The woods are not alder forests wher the mushrooms grow. The Cyanescens occur 99% in man made environments in public places as noted above by DH. Your story, even if there are pinnrs can be photographed. I have posted photos of pinners all of ver this site . I have almost 7000 photos here at the shroomery.
Pinners can be photographed and they can also be placed on a scanner to show.
But I once found 18 cyane3scens in the middle of a clearcut but on a trail along side the logging road, not in the clearcut itself.
Ten feet into a forest form the clearcuts the pelliculosa and silvaticas if any disappear. ANd if it is an alder forest, you will not find any quantity of cyans at all. they l only come up after the cedar is legged out of the forest and the alder trees began to grow. Then l they last for two to three years and disappear. as the clearcut widens, the following years the same process occurs farther down the d clearcut. And right now there are very few clearcuts left in Washington state where it is illegal after a certain point to have clear cuts.
Bush wants to open up more tree cutting in our state. WE do not want this.
Here3 are some half inch and smaller P. cyanescens and you can see the pinners. This is how they appear.
and a few more
mj
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mjshroomer
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Luv_the_cyans said a few things which make no sense and tells me he does not know what he is talking about. First he said:
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They really like the alders though, every big patch iv found is right in an alder forest. If you can find blackberries around an alder bush you are set.
There is no such [plant as an Alder bush. Alder is a teree which can grow up to 30 to 50 feet in height. IT can reach twenty feet in three years. It is never a bush. and quoted from my site about alders.
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take a look at this these http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_cultivation6.shtml http://www.thehawkseye.com/pcyan/pcyan.html http://www.mushroomjohn.com/species29b.htm They seem to mention alders strangely enough? And that tek sounds similar to what i said. I am going school on van island right now so i dont have immediate access, but i am going home for thanksgiving. I will be sure to get pictures of my patch and others if they are thriving . Just because they are pinning it does not mean they are at their prime. And if no one believes me thats alright, more shrooms for me!
He uses my site, Hawkseye site and Erowid for hias source. using my site for a reference. However, I do not mention alder forests as noted in my quote from my page on P. cyanescens at my website which actually says:
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All images posted below were photographed between October of 1997 through December 2000. They were found fruiting in alder branches and mulch.
It says nothing about alder forests. The Hawkseye website you posted the URL also says alder mulch in several sentences, not alder forests From Hawkseye site:
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On the first day of hunting, our first stop was a church, where the sacred mushroom was growing on sacred grounds, I knew it was going to be a good day and a nice mushroom vibe after that. We found these growing among the alder mulch around the church.
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a nice little patchgrowing amongts some leaves, alder mulch and rhododendron bushes.
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The next patch we found was growing among some large shrubs in the alder mulch. I doubt anybody would have known these were there if it had not been for John's resourcefullness of walking for hours a day looking in places ppl wouln't think of. We literally had to walk among some waste high bushes and move them aside to see them growing down underneith the bushes. These were the largest in size that we found of all the patches, they ranged from 4" to 6" in height, and had caps about 2-3" in diameter.
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One thing we found depressing is the psilocybe mushrooms are on a big decline in the Seattle area. Most landscaping is no longer being done with alder mulch, but there using some kind of red ceder mulch instead, and the psilo's dont thrive in that. The places you want to look are anywhere that looks like fresh alder mulch has been planted in the last year or two. We found them right around ppl houses and buildings, in road dividers, in grass near alder mulch, around school campuses.. all sorts of places. The largest patches were about 8X the size of that little patch by the church, but I forgot my camera in the car...DOH!!!!
ANd the Erowid quote of Gartz, qwho in 1991 collected such mulche with me in Oregon and Washington also does not say alder forest but branches of alder or maple, And the steer-co is a local brand of alder mu7clch from Sawdust supply near harbor island in Seattle. Gartz said:
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In the pacific northwest, during collection of Psilocybe cyanescens, the woody substrate is also collected in autumn if strong mycelia are visible. These are put on fresh pieces (2-6cm length) of maple or alder. For the best results a 1:5 ratio of spawn to fresh chips is recommended. The wood chips are kept in containers or bags with minimal air supply and incubate between 4-20 deg. Celsius. At 4deg. there are practically no contaminations. On pure bark the mycelium grows only slowly and without rhizomorphes. It does not occur on the red cedar mulch. Next spring freshly cut alder and mabple branches are used for proper cultivation. These pieces are filled in pits of about 60cm wide and 8-13cm deep, under shadowy shrubs like Rhododendron. The totally ocergrown wood chips of the prparatory culture are mixed by hand before filling the pit. Then the material is covered with plastic or cardboard (also a usefull substrate) and watered once a week. There should be no direct sunlight on the cultures. In september with moderate temperatures or later the cover is removed and the cultures must be watered, depending on the amount of rain - not flooded. The first mushrooms appear under humid circumstances in a temperature range of about 8-14 deg.C. This method is also useful for P. stuntzii and P. baeocystis and for the edible Stropharia rugosoannulata. P. cyanescens occurs also spantaneously in mulched parks and gardens as the other species. Comments, from the rest of the article: Instead of wood chips comercially available mulch (steer-co) works nice, but not cedar mulch. Fructification ends with the beginning of frost periods but will continue several years. In spring the pits can be extended with fresh wood-material.
But none of those URL's you posted say Alder forests. mj
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vc77
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Re: seattle area tips please [Re: mjshroomer]
#3177199 - 09/24/04 10:37 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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go mj
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SkorpivoMusterion
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Re: seattle area tips please [Re: mjshroomer]
#3177320 - 09/24/04 10:58 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Or Mushroom John's Magic mushrooms of the Pacific Northwest, Can be purchased at the head shop in Seattlle's Pike Pl;ace Market.
Can you provide a more detailed information on the whereabouts of this specific store/shop in this Pike Place Market?
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uriahchase
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Re: seattle area tips please [Re: tomekk]
#3178284 - 09/25/04 07:03 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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LOOKIN up here in b'ham, but no luck yet.
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OJ
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Re: seattle area tips please [Re: Wysefool]
#3179557 - 09/25/04 04:36 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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BlackZombie said: So can semilanceata be found outside of pastures? Like if there's lots of farms in the area but no farm has actually been on that land for about 15 years.
I would like to try and hunt the liberty caps but to avoid the whole fence-hopping aspect.
Yes they can be found in lawns, parks, etc but to set out looking for p. similanceata I can ensure you it is a better idea too look in a cow pasture (or around a cow pasture)
good luck mate
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mjshroomer
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It really doesn't matter where in the Pike Place Market it is being sold. Anyone can ask where to get such a book to any of the market vendors or stores. They will all direct you to where to find it. Try magus Books in the U-district and if you do not know where that ios than maybe w you were not meant to see it.. If you do not live in Seattle or the PNW, I would not worry about the book. It will once again be available on amazon.com in a week or two.
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Sherms
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I should start taking a look around snohomish to see if the Cyans have started to pin up yet.
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freedomseeker
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Re: seattle area tips please [Re: Sherms]
#3182212 - 09/26/04 10:41 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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thin blue line near base below grass that washes off in heavy rain
Near the BASE???? Maybe that's been my problem. I've been looking higher on the stem.
Frustrating!
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swazey
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Re: seattle area tips please [Re: vc77]
#3182750 - 09/26/04 02:04 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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swazey said: Just went out down the block for a quick 10 minute bike ride. Came up with 12 Liberty Caps in sidewalk grass.
I hope you dont eat those dude, they are probobly just a common psythrella or agrocybe. Post a picture because if you ingest those thinking they are libertys before one of us can determine, you'll have a GOOD (considering you found them in "sidewalk grass") chance of throwing your insides up out of both ends.
LoL. Just because I'm new to signing up to the board doesn't mean I havent been hunting for the last 8 years religiously. I've just been lurking around on the board reading for many years.
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swazey
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Re: seattle area tips please [Re: swazey]
#3182774 - 09/26/04 02:10 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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*twiddling thumbs waiting for cyan's to pop out of the patches*
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