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 kadakuda
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 couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. 
#3089473 - 09/03/04 09:46 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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all of hte cacti i grow are damn slow growers. the only ones i do have are C. preuvianus (sp?). i got some small ones about 6" tall and mayeb 1" thick. im assuming they make good rootstocks. my question is this. each one has different rib counts and one is completely round with scattered spines. im thinking the round one would be better cause its got more area. whick would yall say is best? or am i putting too much thought into it?
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: kadakuda]
#3090647 - 09/04/04 09:09 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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The total area isn't that important for a graft to take. As long as the vascular rings are aligned, all will be fine, since most if not all the nutrients are transferred trough them.
On a more practical note, deeper ribs make bevelling the edge of the the rootstock a bit more difficult, but it's not a real problem. From my limited experience T. Peruvianus makes a fine grafting stock.
Otherwise, I'd say go with the rootstock which grows most vigorously.
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: koppie]
#3091406 - 09/04/04 01:14 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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i believe we've got some gifs for posts like this... 
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kadakuda
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: koppie]
#3092483 - 09/04/04 07:02 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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cool thanks, its cerues peruvianus or peruvian or whatever.
these are old pics and i dotn have a camera so its gonna take a lil imagination. see wher they go circular, thats what the one behind is like but with a fair bit of spines. you can sorta se eit behind the 2 in front.
thanks fo rthe advice, once they get large enough ill use that cacti (i dotn wanna use the only pedro i have...want it big).
sorry, tired lately havnt really read much about anything. ill be more carfull next time:)
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kadakuda
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: kadakuda]
#3122504 - 09/11/04 01:46 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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i noticed that all the catit grafts at wall mart are those 3 sided things. at first i thought they were orchid cactus, obviously not. so are they pereskia? i know they are no Pereskiopsis, bu they are a leaved cacti and if wal mart suppliers use them they must be fast.
is there anything known to be better than pereskia other than pereskiopsis?
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: kadakuda]
#3122684 - 09/11/04 02:50 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's hard to know without a pic, but they could be some sort of epiphytic cactus. Someone here said they had good success with them a while ago.
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: kadakuda]
#3123780 - 09/11/04 08:50 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
kadakuda said:
i noticed that all the catit grafts at wall mart are those 3 sided things. at first i thought they were orchid cactus, obviously not. so are they pereskia? i know they are no Pereskiopsis, bu they are a leaved cacti and if wal mart suppliers use them they must be fast.
is there anything known to be better than pereskia other than pereskiopsis?
Are you talking about the red caps?
The stock plant is Hylocereus undatus, which does not have leaves.
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kadakuda
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: nookjohn]
#3124581 - 09/12/04 12:25 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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ohh ok. well i read in a book that the pereskia is the only cacti with leaves...little out dated. anyway tehy said it grew very fast and soaked up water pretty fast too.
it was pereskia aculeata to be exact. whats teh opinion of the boards on this species?
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: kadakuda]
#3124819 - 09/12/04 01:27 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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My opinion on pereskia aculeata, is that its got leaves but is far from being a cactus
[image[http://www.uaf.edu/grnhouse/images/pereskia.jpg[/image]
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kadakuda
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#3124999 - 09/12/04 02:27 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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hmm thats a different plant than what it calls it. this is that 3-4 ribed one with spikes and leavesc. cant really do much techy shit now but ill scan it later to show.
the book im using is "a gardners guide to cacti suculents & foliage" its a red soft cover with christmas cacti on th ecover.
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#3125646 - 09/12/04 10:55 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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No...its a Cactaceae
Pereskiopsis has leaves too
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kadakuda
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
#3126044 - 09/12/04 01:32 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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because it is in the family and it seems to grow pretty damn quick, would it be a good candidate? no ones ever tried? i think ill try it either way, maybe with a trich or somthing.
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: kadakuda]
#3127097 - 09/12/04 08:18 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
kadakuda said:
ohh ok. well i read in a book that the pereskia is the only cacti with leaves...little out dated. anyway tehy said it grew very fast and soaked up water pretty fast too.
it was pereskia aculeata to be exact. whats teh opinion of the boards on this species?
There are numerous cactus species with leaves, including Pereskia species, Pereskiopsis species, some Opuntia species, Quiabentia species, and a whole lot more.
Perskia species were perhaps the only commonly cultivated cactus with leaves, but Pereskiopsis species are becoming more common.
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kadakuda
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: nookjohn]
#3127296 - 09/12/04 09:10 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes i do realise there are many leaved species, but the book states that it is the only one.
guess im not making much sense, her eis a picture im sure most of you have kept one at one point. they are very common.
wow i just looked up the scientific name and it is way different than what i thought. the book is just shit! pereskia aculeata is not what i am describing at all. wtf? ill scan the page a little later. i woul dhave never thought a published fancy lookin book would fuck up somthing so clearly obvious. anyway sorry for the consufion.
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: kadakuda]
#3127426 - 09/12/04 09:42 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
kadakuda said:
i noticed that all the catit grafts at wall mart are those 3 sided things. at first i thought they were orchid cactus, obviously not. so are they pereskia? i know they are no Pereskiopsis, bu they are a leaved cacti and if wal mart suppliers use them they must be fast.
is there anything known to be better than pereskia other than pereskiopsis?
these 3 ribbed rootstocks could be hylocereus indeed. they're ok but not for long term grafting (hardens too much the vascular ring way up into the scion)...
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kadakuda
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: felixhigh]
#3127573 - 09/12/04 10:27 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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fuck it that book is too shitty. i wont even look at it anymore.
anyway on one of the many searches i found this page. kifn of neat.
"On this page you will find some pictures of the seedling grafts I made in 2003. I use harrisia, trichocereus, hylocereus, selenicereus and myrtillocactus as stocks, and I graft the seedlings when they are 14 days to 2 months old. I only graft ariocarpus and rare astrophytum seedlings in order to achieve good stock plants for seed production. If I use hylocereus as stock I get the first flowers after only 6-8 months!"
found at http://www.geocities.com/danskaktus/grafts.html
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felixhigh
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: kadakuda]
#3127584 - 09/12/04 10:30 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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how cool, i have won a cutting a week ago its laying right here...
gonna use it soon! =D
the main drawback of this rootstock is that it is very sensitive to overwatering and they're known to last little (couple yrs or so), but there are exceptions... (i've had some already... of both.)
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kadakuda
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Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: felixhigh]
#3127776 - 09/12/04 11:09 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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sorry which ones are you refering to in your last post?
harrisia, trichocereus, hylocereus, selenicereus, myrtillocactus?
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felixhigh
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 Re: couple rootstock q's for cacti grafts. [Re: kadakuda]
#3127846 - 09/12/04 11:34 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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hylocereus (triangularis, from memory).
FH
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