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    #3125380 - 09/12/04 10:18 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)


What do you guys think of this site?

Im always skeptical, but it seems true compared to what Ive already learned.


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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3125424 - 09/12/04 10:43 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

true you use...
what is truth?
somthing you could agree uppon, or somthing you have to agree or what? kinda off topic, but i need a defenision from you to answer the question :wink:



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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3125576 - 09/12/04 12:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

all good :smile:

accurate, I mean to me its pretty accurate, but to society this sounds totally insane, so I want to know what all of you think?

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3129352 - 09/13/04 02:05 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)


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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3129458 - 09/13/04 02:34 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Holy Shit!

I just looked at the web address you posted. Ascendpress is.......................shoveling a lot of backwards thinking crap- Mila and ora are elitists to the max, "they get special use of energy for teletransportation because they are here saving the planet but we can't use the energy without harming the planet.

There stuff is soooooooo duality based and they are in so much fear and hate belieiving in the bad dark evil ET's it could make one puke.

If you want to move into fear and hate read on their crapola. If want to be made to feel like you have no chance of evolving the 45000 strands of DNA they have because they are special and you are to fucked up too, then read on their crapola.

I have a friend who got really caught up in that web site and he is the most paranoid Mo Fo you could meet. It'll mess with your head bad.

it's not to say that they don't have some info correct, its to say that is is presented in backward , downward spiralling think and from a STRONG duality perspective and in a highly elitists fashion.

Did you catch their paranoid crap about combust karma?

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Re: Ascension [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3129483 - 09/13/04 02:41 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Those two think they are healing the planet with their crapola and i think it's their crapola that is in need of healing.

I went through the crap and energetically rewrote all of it. Thats how you use their site. Heal the fear based dualized energy it's spewing.

They are only helping to bring toxins to the surface for healing. They are helping indirectly and don't even know it. Know what yopu are doing and dealing with if you explore there and watch for the toxic effect to take hold.

If any of you think I am kidding, dare me to post one of their ridiculous articles here for your review.

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3130133 - 09/13/04 04:53 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

"Mila and ora are elitists to the max, "they get special use of energy for teletransportation because they are here saving the planet but we can't use the energy without harming the planet."

why do you say that? maybe they understand why we cant use the energy, and the fact that you already feel something agains them, is the reason why you cant use the energies

"I have a friend who got really caught up in that web site and he is the most paranoid Mo Fo you could meet. It'll mess with your head bad."
I'm not your friend, but i still love you :wink:

"it's not to say that they don't have some info correct, its to say that is is presented in backward , downward spiralling think and from a STRONG duality perspective and in a highly elitists fashion. "

"Did you catch their paranoid crap about combust karma?"
i didnt read that part, I might of had (dont remember)

"Those two think they are healing the planet with their crapola and i think it's their crapola that is in need of healing. "

"They are only helping to bring toxins to the surface for healing. They are helping indirectly and don't even know it. Know what yopu are doing and dealing with if you explore there and watch for the toxic effect to take hold."
your opinion


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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3130168 - 09/13/04 05:03 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

read the first two lines.

Totally bunk.

Im choking on the fluff.


Everything I post is fiction.

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3130183 - 09/13/04 05:08 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Im not saying that this is true, and not false either,

keep an open mind :smile:

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3130220 - 09/13/04 05:23 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It is my opinion. You asked us for our opinions, remember? if you hadn't asked, i would've just ignored this post with my opinions.

I have nothing against them, they are fellow human beings finding their way like everyone else. I have issues with how they present their material and put themselves above others.

I will dig up for you the part of one article where it says, they are allowed to use the energy and no one else is because of this assanine explaination for how it damages the planet. They even said there use of it was damaging but because they are so valuble to saving the planet, they were allowed to have it used to avoid a car crash and for another silly reason.

Please White Russian, my opinions of ascend press are not a reflection on you or of you by any means. Lot's of people come across their material and it is captivating because it's so extremely out there.

The combust karma stuff came from their dolphin whale channeling.

I will post the other one I was reffering to when I have a chance.

To be honest, I don't even beleive they were able to teletransport there car.

My mind is sooooooooooooo open regarding them is what enabled me to see the aligned truth beyond there duality version. people I know who follow there teachings end up highly paranoid.

If you like the idea of being a bhudavista intiate and passing tests to feel better about yourself then......... they are your ticket.

I won't condemn anyone who follows them. I wouldn't advise it either unless you use their work as a tool to target old programming for rewriting ancient DNA codes. I remember when I read the whale dolphin channeling how sick and paranoid I started to become. That only happened because 2 years ago, I was stupid enough to beleive it as it was written. It took me months to refine that energy. I was glad it was knocked loose and brought to the surface to be refined with higher truths. Now, I can't be effected by that stuff anymore nor am I running on those duality programs.

Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3130260 - 09/13/04 05:40 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

My fault completly, I posted this a day or so ago and forgot i said "opinion" sorry :wink:

I should of said in the first thread, "mention only the facts from your point of view" as thought I see negativity as a waste of time, and my english is not at your level so I try to make as much sense as i can.

And I never follow any teachings whatsoever, only take information thats useful from them.

again sorry for the confusion

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3130286 - 09/13/04 05:51 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I don't want to reread it to find the teletransportation stuff. Here it is in it's elitists glory:


Mastering Teleportation, Instant Manifestation, Levitation and


The Ancient Grand Masters through Karen Danrich "Mila"
February 23, 2003

Dear Beloved Ascending Human,

We, the Ancient Ones wish to explain the phenomenon that results as one
transcends physical plane law. Such phenomenon is something that we
understood and had mastered in our lifetime upon Sirius and before
relocating unto Earth. Such mastery was lost over time upon earth due to
reasons that we are now only beginning to understand; we are coming to
understand our own lost history due to the records revealed from our
lifetimes through present time human and global ascension. However let
us suffice to say that all that was lost will be restored; and the
original purpose that we came to earth, which was to support global
ascension home to the Great Central Sun, will be fulfilled upon.

We were a group of 48 initiates of both male and female gender that were
born and educated and later seeded upon earth by Sirian spiritual elite.
The purposes that we were born for was not hidden from us; we knew our
entire lives that we would be relocating unto another planet to oversee
another race of humans seeded at an earlier juncture upon earth.
Furthermore we spent decades of time undergoing spiritual education by
the Sirian spiritual elite themselves, and it was during such training
that we each mastered physical law.

What does mastery of physical law mean? In human history upon Sirius,
mastery of spiritual law equated to no longer being subject to the law
of gravity, form, or physical limitation; this lead to the mastery of
levitation (the capability to float or fly), teleportation (the ability
to move from one place to another with a thought), transfiguration (the
ability to alter the molecular and cellular structure into another form
such as an animal and then back into our human form again) and instant
manifestation (the ability to think of a physical object and then
manifest such an object instantly).

Such laws are held in place by agreement; as long as one agrees to the
laws of gravity, physical form, and physical limitation, then one is
subject to existing within a consensus in a parallel manner to how most
all humans exist upon earth in present time. For in present time, one
requires a train, plane or automobile to get from one place to another;
or at another time one would walk, run, swim or ride the back of an
animal such as a horse or elephant. Objects do not ?grow on trees? or
appear suddenly as one thinks of them; one must either create the object
oneself, solicit another to do so, or purchase that which one desires in
present time from a market or mall. One also cannot take the shape of
anything else in creation other than the shape one was born with and
matured into; one cannot become a dog, cat, dingo or dinosaur in
appearance at will.

As a matter of fact, humans are so limited now in present time that they
cannot even regenerate themselves to their more youthful young adult
appearance. Humans have fallen into a grave level of limitation of
thought-form the likes of which is most sad to us; and such limitation
does not at all give credence to the magnificence of the human species
in its original casting from the Tao. So what is mastering physical law
really all about? This is what we dedicate this information unto; a
better understanding of what the path of ascension makes possible as a
spiritual choice.


Physical law comprises all agreements that hold a consensus reality
together. Upon earth, each agrees unto certain laws; such as that
gravity pulls the molecular structure of earth into one consistent body
that all may dance upon; and that within that body the sky is blue, the
plants are green, the clouds are white, and the water blue in color.
Furthermore each kingdom has a form and shape and color that it must
take upon the physical plane as directed by the hologram and DNA. Such
agreements arrange the molecular structure in such a format that
provides shape to that which was formless until such agreements were
agreed unto.

How are agreements constructed? Agreements are held in a tightly formed
text in a language that the consensus agrees unto. For a long time,
earth has suffered problems from text originating in other creations
that were non-resonant with her thought-form. This introduced over 300
other languages into the agreements upon earth. It is the vast
differences in language that ultimately lead to conflict upon earth; and
such conflict occurred mainly from one species not understanding another
and in the non-understanding communication became confused. Over time
this lead to outright wars in the nonphysical between souls and other
nonphysical forces that were from variant creations; the wars ultimately
lead to falls in consciousness for earth into vibrational bandwidths
beneath where she once existed. Later and as a mirror of such
nonphysical battles, humanity arrived upon earth and allowed such
battles to become physical.

Where did the dissonant forms and language upon earth come from? Most
species with non-carbon based DNA are traced to humans who carried other
plants, minerals or animals of both a land and aquatic nature on space
craft from one creation to this creation. In the transplanting of life
from other creations, what was not considered was the variant
biochemical structures or energetic nature of such species; and how
their variance would create dissonance that was molecular as well as
thought-form based if they thrived at all and multiplied in number. Here
humans have created a load of karma for themselves; and it is perhaps
this karma that eventually called humans to be seeded upon earth to
experience the dissonance that they created here at another time and
upon another dimension.

For in 14 other time periods upon other dimensions going back billions
and billions of years, earth was a ?terrarium? that sustained
interesting plants, animals and minerals not found anywhere else in
creation. Humans historically enjoyed the terrarium, and scientists used
earth as a place to conduct experiments of all kinds. Such experiments
assisted in developing further human technology that allowed for again
more travel and again the spreading of non-resonant life forms elsewhere
in creation.

This was long before presence of the Anu and their scientific
experiments that one would consider horrific and disgusting in nature.
We choose these words specifically, as anyone that would choose to
connect the head or upper body of a human with the backside of a lion or
horse is operating from such degradation in a spiritual sense that it is
difficult for those of us Ancient One?s to imagine; for such
misunderstanding of the nature of existence must occur within a human
that would not only think such a thought but then carry through with the
physical manifestation of it, that it is much like choosing to take the
blueprint of a fly and increase it in size to that of an elephant and
attach human arms and legs unto it. The result is not only a mutilation
and scarring that puts all related form into great pain, but a
degradation of each kingdom involved.

Why does blending genetic materials between species degrade form?
Genetics are holographic, and any manipulation to a single form
associated with a holographic blueprint alters all other forms that are
related. One cannot attach the head of a human to the body of the lion
or horse without distorting all humans and all lions or horses. The
level of distortion that humanity is in today including the vast
limitation of thought-form that each exists within that perpetuates
aging, illness, death, deformity and disease as the norm is primarily
related to such scientific experiments of the Anu, as so great is the
resultant scarring to the genetic blueprint of the human species and all
kingdoms alike.


What does scarring of genealogy do? It shatters the holographic nature
of reality. Holographic nature is whole and complete. One can separate
the hologram into pieces and each piece will still contain the
information of the whole. This allows all genetics of each species to be
represented in each embodiment that is born upon the physical plane; as
such species do not lose information or fall in consciousness in giving
birth unto another, as any one part has as much information as the
entire species contains. As the Anu blended DNA from variant genetics,
the hologram for each species manipulated in this manner shattered.

What exactly does this mean, a shattered hologram? Well it translates
into the cause of the reason humans and all species upon earth have
fallen and fallen in consciousness; for holographic nature was lost in
this act of scientific cross-breeding and in so doing, all species
involved suddenly and inexplicably lost their wholeness. What followed
is that subsequent generations lost information with each birth within
each species experimented upon, including the human kingdom. In the
shattering of hologram due to interbreeding, each subsequent generation
held only a portion of information that the parents once knew instead of
the whole of the information held within the entire species in a
holographic sense. This lead to an ongoing fall of consciousness as each
generation lost more information than the previous generation held in a
genetic sense due to procreation.

Once this occurs, extinction is the end result unless ascension is
chosen by each species as a means of reversing the process of the
ongoing loss of information through the birth death and rebirth cycles.
Ascension begins the process of piecing holographic information back
together again through retracing one?s ancestral genetic fabric back in
time, and reinstating in present time a genetic structure that one?s
ancestry held at another time. In so doing, one begins to reverse this
process of falling in consciousness and begins to return to a fully
conscious holographic state of being.

Each human that reads of her materials can make a choice; one can intend
to ascend and begin to reverse the process of continued loss of
consciousness and instead increase in genetic fabric into the
crystalline form in this lifetime. If one has a child, then one can
birth an ascending child who will take the ascent to the next level of
evolution. If one chooses to not have any further children, one is
related unto 2 billion others global wide, many of which will have
ascending children based upon one?s own intention to ascend. It is as
enough humans make the ongoing intent to ascend that this entire process
of this journey towards extinction will be reversed, holographic
knowledge will be reinstated, and humanity will awaken to a new golden
day of peace and unity.


Genealogy is a log of how the information splintered down the family
tree of one?s tapestry of ancestry. Recently the genealogical planes
were opened as Sirius seeded them long ago due to earth?s continued
global ascension. These planes held an original archive of all
information that was contained in the original seeded human nations,
including the Grand Masters or those of us that are writing to you today
through our channel. Now the project begins of tracing the genes down
the fabric of lineages into the current human race so that all
information contained therein can be understood as to how it fragmented
through time and space and form through the generations. This project
Mila and Oa have undertaken along with those in their Group Mastery
Program; to create a detailed nonphysical map of all genealogical
information and how it fragmented over time. As this map is made known,
a more viable path for generational human ascension may be carved.

At this time there is much missing information from certain time periods
in particular where there was massive nuclear fallouts due to large
bombs detonated at human hands upon earth?s surface. During such
fallouts, a large drop in consciousness occurred for all species upon
earth; DNA frayed and information went every which way including off
planet to other stars, galaxies and dimensions; the nonphysical forces
from such dimensions, stars and galaxies utilize nuclear wars to strip
creations to suspend the life of yet other creations that are dying.

The need to strip any creation is a vast misunderstanding of the
spiritual context in which creation is held; within the Tao there is no
limitation. One can have as much of any vibrational thread required to
weave a creation. However in this region of domain, there has been a
loss of connection unto the Tao; and as a result limitation has become
the accepted and embraced paradigm from which all things exist in form.
Therefore there is never enough, and something must die in order for
something else to live or ascend.

Alas, if we were to translate this into the principals of instant
manifestation, each time one would instantly manifest something,
something else would instantly de-manifest leading to destruction
elsewhere. What the masters upon Sirius failed to understand is that due
to their belief in the principals of limitation, each time they
instantly manifested something upon Sirius, they de-manifested something
someplace else humans that were related existed upon; therefore the
spiritual principals that the Sirian masters abided by were not pure;
and they were causing destruction in their practice of the very mastery
that they thought that they had attained.

Why was this so? In order to transcend all physical law and master in a
pure sense, one must be willing to transmute the concept that one must
destroy another in order to ascend. All of Sirius as lead by the
spiritual elite chose to destroy earth in counter balance to their
ascension out of the belief that something must die of equal proportion
to that which chooses to ascend. Alas they have created great karma for
themselves; and are just awakening unto this truth due to the records
from earth?s ascension as processed by the Great Central Sun and
revealed unto Sirian consciousness.


We can say in our own mastery that it was impure; that we not unlike the
very elite that we studied with whom had not transcended the belief in
death; we had simply instead deferred such beliefs elsewhere making the
fabric of death based consciousness seemingly disappear. In the
disappeared state, the belief system of death was fractured off and
given to another place, probably also dying much as earth. To those upon
Sirius, because the belief had disappeared, one assumed that it had been
transcended and somehow mastered; alas this was not so.

What is the difference between ?disappearing? a thought-form and real
mastery? Ah, here we get to the crux of our own spiritual lessons at
this time of awakening upon earth. We have waited a long time to
understand; and we are not disappointed. We are most grateful for the
fortune of the presence of the Tao that allows now what we failed to
understand in our own evolution to be understood. When we arrived upon
earth, the disowned thought-form of death came with us. Soon we were
destroyed by our own thought-form that we had assumed somehow we had
transcended, but instead we had ?schismed? over as Mila has coined. In
other terms, the thought-form of death had not been fully released from
our cellular structure, and in coming to a new creation such as earth
where there were no global agreements to splinter off destructive
thought-form sending it elsewhere, we now experienced our own
destructive thought-form returned, and destroyed ourselves ending our
lives in death instead of ascension.

Real mastery or pure mastery has to do with taking each layer of
thought-form that is in extreme polarity, such as the thought-form of
death in all of it?s myriads of expressions, and transmuting it one
layer at a time with the application of transmutative tones of creation.
Such tones have come from the Great Central Sun via the Tao to allow for
real transcendence upon earth and within your creation. As each layer is
transmuted, one comes to understand how the thought-form was degraded
within one?s ancestry through particular emotionally charged karmic
experiences. As the karma is released and erased down to a biological
level, each layer of thought-form is transmuted in full, and a new
thought-form of eternal life can be embodied in its place.

Such transmutative tones were not available upon Sirius at the time we
were incarnate, nor upon earth at the time we relocated here. Therefore
we must forgive our Sirian mothers and fathers including the high
priests and priestesses, for they had no other way of retaining life let
alone ascending without separating light and dark, as the very tones of
creation necessary for the real transmutation of the dark were missing.
We are happy to say that such tones are available now upon earth through
the Language of Light and Language of One, and that those like Mila and
Oa that are legitimately ascending, including the nature kingdoms and
earth; each is applying such tones to their own density and mastering in
a manner that we had not at the time that we were alive. And this brings
us great joy, as it translates into the fulfillment of our original
vision in coming to earth; that we would foster the ascent of the whole.


So where did the tones for transmutation go to and why are they
unavailable? Ah this brings us to an ever larger problem as analyzed by
the Tao now as a result of the records pouring forth due to planetary,
solar and creational ascension now underway in your sector of creation.
It appears that all within the Great Central Sun were never allotted
transmutation tones of creation in the very casting that they received
in the original expansion cycles of the Tao. Why were such tones
missing? Well this has to do with a group of renegade souls in the Tao
that had a plan, and the plan was for a means to a rapid ascent into
greater mastery than they could gain through creational experience. More
or less these souls wished to cheat in their own evolution.

These souls gathered certain blueprints that were unused in the last
creational cycle of the Tao, which included the blueprint for consensus
realities such as earth, the nature kingdoms and the human blueprint.
These souls set such blueprints in motion in 18 quadrants in a small
corner of the Tao that they thought no one was looking. However they set
these creations or Great Central Suns in motion with the intent to
extract the knowledge held innately in the blueprint of form; and in
extracting such knowledge they then could rapidly rise through the
initiation process of the Tao to manage greater and greater
responsibility and have greater and greater power therein.

One might equate these souls to young adult humans who look at what an
older human has accomplished and acquired in their lifetime, and then
desire such rewards for oneself without the hard work that it took to
manifest such a reward. Such young adult humans might look for ways to
cheat and manifest a fortune, such as those who practice insider trading
upon Wall Street. Such humans may indeed manifest a fortune for
themselves, and perhaps they even acquire as many possessions as those
who accomplish the same through their gifts and talents and hard work.
Such humans may then go on to hold leadership positions for all of
humanity, and yet their entire foundation is the result of cheating or
lawlessness; which leads to a lawless society.

Much of the large disparity of wealth and poverty, homelessness and
hunger is really the result of leadership founded upon lawlessness that
was the result of those who attained much through cheating, and then
such principals became the foundation of those in power. As power
becomes lawless, then real law is turned inside out and upside down, and
everything functions in distortion. Human civilization as it is now is
founded upon extreme distortion; there are those who control the world
through many secret orders that include a chain of command to fulfill
upon their decisions; such chains of commands include hit men and mafia
type folk that are used to fulfill upon the dirty work of those in
charge of the secret orders. Nothing is really as it seems, as the
orders also control the media; in so doing, those in the secret orders
remain in power.

In parallel manner, these souls who cast creations only to destroy them
are like the mafia or secret orders in human form, but they exist within
the Tao. They have gathered through extortion information from many
blueprints from the Tao; and in so doing they have acquired as much
information as the Tao, but not through evolutionary means. They are a
real threat to the continuation of the Tao; and may succeed at
distorting the whole to such a great extent that nothing can be
recovered. This too has already been manifest; and is why the Tao now
must go back in time and correct the dream by altering the past. As the
past is altered, the future will change, and the Tao will resolve its
problems; as above, so below; as within, so without.

Because the souls cast the Great Central Suns with destruction as the
outcome, the tones for real ascension and transmutation of thought-form
were removed. Instead of real ascension, each Sun went into the pattern
of splitting light and dark, as the dark could never be adequately
transmuted as the tones necessary to do so were missing. As the split
became great enough, portions of each Sun would drop into the
vibrational bandwidths beneath and fall in consciousness. Over time this
occurred to such an extent that portions of each Sun were pressed
outside of the boundaries of their own dream and into the space between
creations. This is what happened to earth so very long ago.

However earth has a special place in the recovery of the Tao; for she
holds specific keys as to the whys and wherefores of how each Great
Central Sun was cast, and has recorded within her form all records from
all lost creations. Why is this so? One may think of the casting of
earth as a multidimensional multi-creational master record keeper. Earth
has been storing records since she was cast by the Tao; and as a result
is one of the few creations that actually have the information about how
and why the entire dance of the falling Great Central Suns came to be.
It is also for this reason that the Tao extends to earth and assists
with her resurrection, as here lies some of the answers to the Tao?s own


Before one can think about transcending physical law and mastering the
skills of levitation, instant manifestation or teleportation and
levitation, one must first master the lawless thought-form that one?s
ancestry has fallen into. Lawlessness equates not only to the lawless
behavior that the human species is in as a civilization, but lawless
energy movement within one?s form.

What is lawless energy movement? Lawless energy movement equates to time
that runs backwards; or parts of fields that are inverted or turned
inside out and upside down; or parts of fields that rotate backwards
leading to a descending vibration rather than an ascending vibration; or
missing grid work that has been pulled outside of the form into some
sort of machine. Each level of ascent allows more of the field to be
rewoven to rotate in a manner that supports the life and well being of
the form and allows for continued ascension. One will find such
distorted energy flow in the meridians of the etheric body as well as
the small chakras therein; along with the larger chakras at the joints;
and the seven to twelve major chakra centers surrounding the form; and
in the subtle bodies, light body and greater auric field.

This is what much of the ascent to full consciousness is all about
(36,000 strands of DNA); transcending lawless energy movement in all
parts of the field. For if one is going to even begin to consider
transcending physical plane law, then one must first transcend how law
became lawless as a spiritual lesson in one?s ancestry, and how one?s
own energy flow sustains the lawlessness within one?s thought-form. For
in essence, law inverted or turned inside out in the human energy flow
upon earth, which is why there is lawless behavior such as secret human
orders and mafia hit men in the first place; it is a mirror for how the
spiritual truth was inverted into non-truth.


In a state of non-truth, there can be magicians. There have been many
over the course of human history that has demonstrated the principals of
instant manifestation, teleportation, transfiguration, creating vebuti
(sacred ash that is not so sacred), or other magical skills. Such skills
were not earned through spiritual mastery but are created through
spiritual manipulation. There are fractured pieces of soul that were
apart of our incarnation that recall how to transcend physical law. When
such pieces of soul enter the human form, they perform the tricks that
they remember and the form channels the trick, and appears to instantly
manifest, teleport, transfigure and the like. However nothing has
changed within the associated human form; they have not released their
karma or altered their DNA or ascended in any manner; nor have they
mastered anything; they are simply good channels of nonphysical forces
that recall how to transcend physical law.

We are sad to see that our own souls fell into such manipulative
practices and participated with dark forces upon the physical plane in
manifesting such magic through certain humans. For all this creates is
the appearance of a human that is ?god like?, and fosters the belief
that god lies outside of oneself. Just because a human can perform a
magic trick, this does not make him or her god; as god goddess lies
within each and every living thing in the omniverse. Such practices only
causes the multitudes to give their power to humanoid false gods; which
is no different than how one?s ancestry gave their power to the
nonphysical false gods; and all that occurs in physicality also occurs
first in the nonphysical.

We ourselves fell into the belief that the false gods had more power, as
they had stripped our information surrounding the transcendence of
physical plane law; then out of such a stripping, we gave them even more
power to misdirect our lives as we believed that they knew more than
ourselves. In the misdirection, most of the 48 of us that relocated unto
earth died before we ever ascended. The few that ascended were unable to
clear the karma for our fall in consciousness, and the result was the
continued fall of consciousness in human form upon earth until present
time. Our own souls have served the false gods in their own fracturing
and lost knowledge; this too is sad unto us, however it is their karma
and not our own to settle.

And so it goes; each who has caused or participated in the inversion of
law will be held accountable for it, and in so doing, will experience
their cause. So this is also so for the renegade souls in the Tao; one
cannot cause anything, including the great pain of stripping a creation
to extinction without experiencing like in return; and in so doing and
in the suffering of one?s own cause, then one learns not to cause such

We are also the result of the mismanagement of spiritual knowledge upon
Sirius and on the part of the Sirian Spiritual Elite. We are each an
ancestor of the Sirian Spiritual Elite that went on to personally
experience the very destruction that they were causing elsewhere in
their split in light and dark. Furthermore in our own experience of
destruction we anchored earth to be another place that Sirius could
displace its disowned destructive thought-form. Each fall of earth has
allowed more displaced karma, fractured souls and fractured dream from
Sirius to be pressed into her grid work out of the belief that something
must be destroyed in order for something else to live and ascend. We
take responsibility for our cause and choose to change it now through
the act of ascension of all in human form who are related unto us as our
present day ancestors.


Real transcendence involves the gathering of all records and karma bound
by emotional charge of each incident of trauma experienced in one?s
ancestry. Such records are held upon the land and within the genetics of
one?s form. As one releases the trauma, one transmutes each layer of
pain, anger or fear, terror, torture or suffering, lust, jealousy or
hate with transmutative tones of creation. This causes the trauma to be
released and erased through forgiveness. In the forgiveness, the trauma
is not transferred elsewhere only to act out in another humanoid
creation; it is instead fully transmuted. For this is what Sirius humans
did en mass to humans upon earth; they transferred all their karma and
trauma for many wars that they had experienced in the 3rd dimension in
their own existence, which only caused the same patterning to emerge in
humans upon earth.

Therefore as all records are gathered and in particular those that
originated from Sirius or any other creation that has used humanity upon
earth as a dumping ground for unwanted thought-form, karma and dreams,
such records must be returned to their creation of origin, as they did
not occur upon earth in the first place. Only karma that occurred upon
earth can be released upon earth; and it is for such a reason that
regardless of how many humans ever ascended in the inner earth, the
original cause for human bloodshed could not be released, as it was not
karma that was caused upon earth. In the returning of karma to where it
belongs; now there is an opportunity for earth and all that exists upon
her including the human race to ascend out of the dance of bloodshed.

One is only responsible for the karma incurred in one?s ancestry upon
earth. As one chooses to release, erase and forgive such karma, and
return the karma that originated elsewhere, one is no longer bound by
karmic trauma, nor will one attract a dream into one?s life founded upon
such karma, as it will no longer exist within one?s field. One is a
living movie that attracts a dream that is in association with one?s
intentions and the thought-form that is held in place by ancestral drama
and trauma or in other terms karma. As one modifies the thought-form
that is bound by karmic trauma through the act of transmutation, then a
new dream can be woven that is different from the past. This is real
transmutation in action.


Mila and Oa begin the journey now in their personal ascent of
transcending physical law. They have actually been in this process for
some time, but it is only now that enough veils of illusion have cleared
for them that they can more greatly perceive the journey ahead and what
it means unto themselves and humanity. The choice to transcend physical
law will cause Mila and Oa to begin to erase layers of agreements that
are associated with the principals of physics. Neither Mila or Oa are
physicists, but they can put their experiences and transcendence into
laymen?s terms.

One principal that Mila and Oa have been working upon transcending is
the concept of gravity; that they must weigh however much they weigh
founded upon the pull of gravity from the core of the earth. In their
transcendence, they are no longer subject to the pull of gravity from
the core of earth, but have created a new energy flow that manages pull
within their own field. In so doing, they can choose through conscious
freewill choice to lighten up their weight so that a stringent walk up
the mountain is less stressful for them. Mila and Oa enjoy many walks in
the islands, and it has become even more pleasurable when they each feel
very ?light? upon their feet; when in physical size each of them are
above average in nature; Mila being a 2X and Oa between a 3X and 4X in

How does one transcend such a law as gravity? One chooses to erase all
agreements to participate in the concept of gravity as it is held within
one?s genetic structure. This requires opening archives of genealogical
information from ancient times and before Mila and Oa?s ancestry arrived
upon earth; as the ability to levitate was lost within a few hundred
years after our seeding. In time, Mila and Oa will master gravity even
one step further and demonstrate levitation; this requires many more
agreements to be released upon a biological level before it can be
mastered; however as the last agreement to be bound by any form of
gravity that may be solar, universal or cosmic, then levitation or
floating will become the norm for Mila and Oa in the physical.

Such mastery will not be manifest as a trick of a soul who understands
how to manipulate agreements for a time and create a temporary
levitation. Real levitation when mastered will mean that one will never
perhaps touch the ground again; and one certainly can walk upon water;
or fly just above it if one prefers; not just once but all of the time.


Transfiguration involves the rearrangement of molecules into a different
shape and genetic structure and then an instant manifestation of the
associated form in physicality. At one time we could transfigure into
any shape including any animal form. Transfiguring into plant and
mineral form was never attempted as too many upon Sirius had become
stuck in such a form and could not return to the human shape that they
once held. Why was this so? In hindsight, such humans entered a
holographic state of being that had no relationship to the human
hologram; and in so doing they were unable to find their way back and
got seemingly lost. This speaks clearly about the holographic separation
between certain kingdoms, and why such holograms should not be blended
or tampered with in genetic experimentations.

However perhaps the karmic consequence for transfiguration to animal
form translated later into scientific experiments of the Anu in which
one kingdom?s form was blended with another. It may be that the Anu
obtained records of transfiguration and due to their own limited
thought-form, thought of the concept of scientifically blending species
rather than mastering spiritually to a point where they could
transfigure into a different shape. If this is so, then we too hold some
karmic liability for their expression, as when information is lost and
then misused, the original form carrying the information is still
partially held accountable in the cause.

At this time in human form along with all other species upon earth, the
molecular structure is not only extremely ridged, but there also are
gaps and holes that are the result of the stripping and ongoing loss of
consciousness that has occurred over the past 50,000 years of falls in
consciousness. Such gaps and holes must be filled in fully in the ascent
to full consciousness before one could ever consider rearranging the
molecular structure into a new and different shape.

Alas there are those nonphysical forces that some humans channel that
may allow for the temporary rearrangement of molecular structure to
demonstrate transfiguration; however this is not the result of the
mastery of such an individual but a trick that the false gods perpetuate
in order to have such an individual perceived or worshipped as god.
Sometimes the molecules can be rearranged into an animal, but not be
rearranged back into humanoid form. This has left many a human
consciousness in the shape of an animal until the death of the
embodiment; a difficult and sad experience for all concerned, and indeed
this has occurred thousands of times in history.

Real mastery of transfiguration will come at a much later time in Mila
and Oa?s ascent. The reasons for this are that the molecules are still
highly ridged even at the level of soul infusion that they have
mastered. So this was so within a few hundred years of living upon earth
following our seeding; something happened that caused a rigidity of our
molecules, and as this occurred, we lost our ability to transfigure. As
Mila and Oa go back through time and begin to release the karmic cause
and trauma held within their biology that underlies why they are ridged
upon a molecular level, more will be understood about what happened in
the early part of our time upon earth; and then we will also better
understand. In so doing, Mila and Oa will one day master
transfiguration; we see this ahead approximately 8 years into their


Real mastery of instant manifestation or teleportation is actually much
easier to fulfill upon in ascension than levitation and transfiguration.
Mila and Oa could instantly manifest or teleport now if they put their
attention to it and had enough chi; the problem with such capabilities
is the low availability of chi from the manifestation planes of nature;
nature needs the chi that they have in order to ascend. Taking chi away
from nature in order to demonstrate magic or instantly manifest or even
teleport would not be acting out of world service; alas if Mila and Oa
did not act out of world service they would lose their status as
ascended masters and their power would be taken away; and so Mila and Oa
use such skills sparingly and only with the permission of earth and

The ability to teleport developed early in Mila?s experience of
ascension. One time on a car trip to the Wine Country of California,
Mila blinked and suddenly she was transported to another highway 30
miles away heading in the wrong direction. She pulled over and asked her
then guidance what had happened. Her guidance explained that they had
moved her in space and time to avoid an accident. Indeed as she finally
did approach the freeway that she had been on, there was a five-car
pileup involving a big rig that she had missed being apart of.

More recently, a forwarded batch of mail with many checks that Mila and
Oa required for the payment of their rent was lost. Mila used the act of
teleportation to receive her package. The package ended up not in the
mailbox but between the screen door and front door of their apartment.
As Oa opened the door the next day after Mila received permission to use
teleportation to retrieve her package, there surprisingly was their
mail. Teleportation involves folding time and space thereby moving an
object or oneself from one place unto another.

However the act of teleportation takes much chi from earth and the
nature kingdoms along with potentially causing a ripple or wedge in time
and space of earth?s grid work. At this time, earth is still repairing
herself from all the misuse of such human knowledge at earlier times in
your history; there are many problems in earth?s grid work as a result.
As all is repaired and all contribute their chi to the process of
ascension, there will be enough chi for such experiences; until such
time Mila and Oa only use such skills as they are given permission and
as it does not compromise the ascent of earth or all species therein.

The ancient ones are pleased with the honor Mila and Oa have for earth
and her kingdoms. This is something perhaps we did not have at the time
of our own incarnations; we looked at earth and nature upon Sirius as
beneath human form; less than and obviously worth less. How can one
consider other kingdoms less than without ultimately being less than
oneself? This too contributed unto our demise at the end of our
incarnations. However we are here to attest that it is never too late to
come to understand what one failed to understand at the time that one
was alive; and we are learning through each of you that are choosing to
ascend and are our present day ancestors in human form.


Instant manifestation requires holding a vision of a natural object that
one desires to see in physical form, and then through the application of
a load of chi, the desired object is pulled instantly down the seven
manifestation planes into physicality; it is the angels who weave the
genetic information that then creates the desired form in physicality.
Such manifestation can include anything made from natural fibers that
host a carbon based genetic blueprint.

One may be interested to know if there is genetic information for such
things as plastic or other manmade materials or fabric? No there is not
and so one could not instantly manifest a computer, car, or any other
object of manmade materials, as such things do not host angels or carbon
based genetics, and angles and a carbon based genetic structure are
required in the instant manifestation process. Even the Sirian Spiritual
Elite tried to manifest manmade objects in the time that we studied
under them. They never could accomplish this goal no matter how hard
that they tried; as even Sirius had foreign substances and minerals that
create products that were non-conducive to the energy flow of the two

This is why there was so much discord to displace onto other creations
in the Sirian ascent; as they chose to ascend foreign minerals and
objects that served human culture and civilization. The ascent of such
things produced a great deal of discord and this discord was offloaded
onto earth and 24 other planets that are likewise dying. We perceive now
that the Sirian Spiritual Elite were lazy; that they did not wish to go
to all of the trouble of forcing human civilization to give up those
things that they were addicted unto and did not serve ascension.

We are happy to say that human ascension upon earth is impossible
without giving up ones? addictions along with those relationships that
do not support one?s evolution. If one fails to give them up; then one
will only ascend so far in this lifetime. Furthermore future generations
will release such attachments, as they are being removed from the human
dream on the part of earth. Earth perceives that manmade goods interfere
with the process of inward searching and therefore are necessary to be
removed from the dream for humanity to evolve as a whole.

Manmade products such as computers and cars, planes and trains, plastic
and manmade fabrics host a nonphysical force that is not associated with
the angels that hold the natural world upon earth. In essence, such
things are derived from silica-based substances that were left over from
the era of the Dinosaurs or Anu. Silica based substances are held in a
foreign dream due to their biochemical nature. One cannot command a
foreign-based object to manifest unless one had command of foreign-based
nature or angels. Even the Anu did not have such command and had to use
physical means to create and maintain their own spacecraft and other
scientific machinery. We suspect that the Anu never had spiritually
mastered anything given the nature of their thought-form at the time of
arrival upon earth. Therefore such information is simply unavailable in
human form.

Into the future and as earth passes through the final star gate and
enters the energy flow of the Great Central Sun, there will be ample chi
for instant manifestation. In so doing, humans who have earned such
capability through ascension will be able to manifest any food that they
envision; or anything else that they might need that hosts a physical
blueprint and genetic structure that is carbon based. Such humans will
learn to work with the natural world to create homes in nature that
provide for their own needs.

One will be able to envision a tree house and then instantly manifest a
tree in such a shape that is perfect to dwell within, that keeps one
dry, safe and off the ground. One could envision the perfectly shaped
cave with its own protection, warmth and natural lighting from above and
have the rocks rearrange themselves instantly according to one?s vision.
One could alter the pathway of water bringing it nearby one?s home to
fill one?s thirst and to bathe within instantly through intention. This
we see ascending humans will master after entry into the Great Central
Sun, and in so doing, humans will learn to live in the natural world in
comfort, pleasure and ease. We as we first relocated to earth created
many mineral structures for our living pleasure with running water
nearby along with hot springs to bathe within through such skills.

At this time, Mila and Oa do not use their instant manifestation skills.
Several years ago, it was explained unto them that the manifestation
planes were already severely damaged and twisted from the misuse of such
knowledge in earlier human history. Even in present time there are those
seeming spiritual masters who are the pawns of the false gods, that
continue to demonstrate such skills and in so doing, continue to harm
earth. Therefore Mila and Oa have turned their attention instead into
correcting the manifestation planes so that a new dream could be
anchored that supports human ascension and global ascension alike.

Mila and Oa are humble; they live within their means. They do not
starve, nor do they hoard; they are choosing to be a living example of
an ascending master who honors the needs of the consensus that they
reside within. In so doing they act out of non-ego and world service in
all that they do.


So many are confronted in the potential limitations in ascension; many
out of ego would like to ascend to full consciousness; alas one may or
may not be able to accomplish this goal in this lifetime. Limitation in
ascension has to do with one?s genealogical inheritance. Most will not
be able to master full consciousness, instant manifestation,
teleportation, levitation or transfiguration in this lifetime. The
reason for this has not to do with one?s intention, but rather a lack of
biological information.

Over time and due to the fracturing of holographic information into a
non-holographic state, one?s genealogy may have become depleted of
certain key segments of crystalline genetic encoding. If one lost
crystalline information on to another through manipulations involving a
curse, hex or spell between ancestries, one may recreate the experience
in present time to recover one?s crystalline knowledge. There has been
so much manipulation of knowledge between parties over the past 20,000
years of human history, that much of the ascent to 3000, 6000 and 9000
strands is about retrieving that which one?s ancestry lost due to being
cursed, hexed or spelled by another.

In addition to this, each ancestor that gave birth to a child below the
vibration of 15,000 strands lost a portion of his or her genetic
knowledge unto the child. This is the result of the fracturing of
holographic genetic encoding which occurred as humanity fell beneath
15,000 strands. Some children of each ancestor will continue to be
associated with one?s tapestry of ancestry and therefore one still has
access to such genetic encoding; some will not if in particular the
child chose none of the lineages of one?s ancestor. Choosing no lineages
of the mother causes the child and all information therein to remain in
the tapestry of ancestry of the father; or conversely choosing no
lineages of the father causes the child and all information therein to
remain solely in the tapestry of the mother. In such circumstances,
information given to the child flows into the tapestry of the parent
that the child chooses to carry the lineages of.

Sometimes crystalline information that was lost in one?s ancestry in
this manner is difficult to recover, or so Mila and Oa have found in
their own ascension; along with those in their school that have left due
to limitation in the ascent. Generally when limitation in the ascent
occurs, there is a difficult karmic sequence in which a large portion of
crystalline information was passed on to a child who chose none of one?s
ancestor?s lineages. When this occurs, one may not be able to recover
the genetic information that was given away, and if it is a key piece of
knowledge to the continued ascent, one?s ascent may cease at such a

If this occurs, one can intend to manifest an encounter with an ancestor
of the child that received the lost knowledge, and then in the encounter
choose to release the karma and recover the missing segment of genetic
encoding. As Mila and Oa will attest, and each had many missing
sequences of this nature to overcome in their own ascent, drawing the
right ancestry unto oneself to allow for the karmic release may be
difficult. Fortunately in their gathering in association with SSOA, Mila
and Oa have been able to create such experiences, not only for
themselves, but for others encountering parallel problems in their
ascent in SSOA; which has indeed fostered a continued ascent of the
group through some difficult times. This may or may not be easy to
accomplish for others of different preoccupations or circumstances.

In the limitation at 3000 strands in Mila and Oa?s experience, generally
speaking there is a karmic dance in which the crystalline knowledge that
is required to transmute scar tissue (cells that can manufacture and/or
carry enzymes to dissolve scars held in the cellular structure) was
passed through a child out of the family tree and ancestral records.
Without such knowledge, one can go no further than 3000 strands in this
lifetime, as one will not be able to transmute the next level of
problematic cells into the crystalline format. Ascension is ultimately
biological; although one works closely with the etheric in the act of
transmutation, the transmutation must come all the way down into the
physical, or one will make oneself ill in the ascent instead.

If those who are held at 3000 were allowed to go on, an early death
would be the end result, as the imbalance of a growing field that is
unsupported by cellular transmutation to the crystalline form only
creates a field that can wobble, and then in the wobble tears at the
etheric body. Where the etheric body is weakened, then a problem in the
physical will develop over time, and as this occurs and if it is a vital
enough system, the body may die.

Mila and Oa have a former associate that recently passed; this associate
was removed from SSOA due to an inability to bring the continued ascent
into the physical. Alas they continued to build the energy field until a
wobble developed that tore so badly at the lower back of the etheric
body that it created the rapid physical experience of liver failure. One
cannot build a field far above the size and vibration that the body can
support through biological evolution, or one will simply create an early
death instead. It is for this reason that ascending the biological form
and field to the same level of mastery and holding it there if one can
go no further is vital to the continued life of the form.

However please remember that death is not an end. We are your ancestors
and we have not ceased to exist; even through 50,000 years of human
falls in consciousness we are still present. The afterlife experience is
also liberating as one ceases to be bound by physical limitation of
thought-form. Generally there is far greater understanding of what one
failed to understand in one?s given life as one exits the physical
plane. There are also many projects all ancestors are involved with to
foster human evolution; this also leads to personal growth through
revelations of spiritual lessons one failed to learn in one?s given life.

Death is not an end and should not be feared; and most who intend to
ascend today will ascend as far as one can, but end the life in death
nonetheless. Death is nothing but releasing the physical form; one?s
consciousness and whom one has been carries on. Therefore perhaps death
can be embraced if it is time in the greater understanding of the truth
of the nonphysical reality that surrounds all form. The nonphysical is
eternal; and physicality merely a vessel through which the nonphysical
can be expressed.


One may wonder what makes Mila and Oa so special that they can ascend
further than most? Long ago the Tao sent in a dream for some humans to
be born who would choose specific lineages through the union of a man
and woman holding ancestry to ancient times. Mila and Oa attuned to this
dream and created a union of parents whose genealogy goes back to the
times of the Grand Master seeding. They did so founded upon a dream that
has lead to their ascent and their leadership in the ascension movement.

Mila and Oa are not here to be worshipped, as they are no more
god-goddess in form than anyone else. They serve a special function
however in creating a pathway of mastery that all humans may follow; and
if not in one?s present embodiment, then through one?s future ancestors.
And one will experience such future ascensions nonetheless as one?s
consciousness is eternal and shall carry on to support the ascent of the
entire human species.

The dream that the Tao has projected onto earth and into your creation
is no small feat; it is necessary to the recovery of the whole. Those
who are drawn to the dream of ascension may like Mila and Oa have
ancestry back into ancient times; or one may have limitations in
ascension as spoken of above. Regardless of how long one may ascend or
live, one?s intent to ascend shall mold the future of the human species
in the direction of evolution; evolution out of warfare and abuse and
into unity and love again. One will experience such a new human
civilization through one?s future ancestry if not in this lifetime.

And so for the sake of oneself and one?s future ancestors, intend to
ascend; intend to ascend and all may change; first and foremost in one?s
own life as one transcends whatever difficult karmic circumstance that
imprisons oneself and finds one?s way to greater freedom within and
without; intend to ascend and one?s future ancestors shall carry forward
building a new human civilization that is in balance and harmony with
earth and the natural world. Intend that you and your future ancestors
master completely transmuting each and every layer of destructive
thought form. In so doing, peace, honor, love, unconditional acceptance
and joy can become the new foundation of the human dance.

Until our next communication,


The Grand Master Ancestors

Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3130768 - 09/13/04 07:40 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)


I went to read the article you posted and it started off good "the hook" and then when I got to the nonsense about releasing responcibility of caring for your children because they get in the way of your ascension made me want to puke again.

Since when is being a responcible parent an attachment issue that gets in the way of soul evolution. It's an integral part of it, not a hinderance to it.

Then i got to my other issue with them. These two have a real hard on for the pleiadians and none of that polarized non sense is true. They are talking about the dark side of the annunaki and lump them in with all pleadians- they even admitted that elsewhere and made a correction. It's cosmic slander at it's most repulsive. The annunaki are no more evil then my desk and 6-D an up pleadians are cooler then cool can be.

They speak as if they are authorities of distorted light when they are the master spewers of it.

I had to stop reading it there. It's because of this crap people like madlebrot are terrified of a harvest by the evil ET's. Its irresponcible and false advertising . They create bogus fears through dark stories with evil plots and give solutions to them for a "donation".

Tell me White russian, what about this stuff apeals to you? lets work on it without the duality non sense. The same info can be worked with and understoof in a non polarised and aligned mannor.

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3131320 - 09/13/04 09:50 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I just try to learn about everything that i can,

i agree w/ on on some of their views, seem a bit off

What im peronallly interested in right now is the 4 dimention and up, and yes ive reached the 5th in my last trip, and no it was not an illusion, because it wasnt intense were i can't handle it, but i felt complete peace, (ive tripped many times and felt really good, but this was different)
it was wierd, my thoughts were my emotions and my emotions were my thoughts, tho my thought had no negativity whatsoever, and anything i can think of, i instantly had the answer, even if it was the most fucked up negative thing possible......but keep in mind i was a really depressed person all my life till, 2 years ago or so, so im use to going beyond and not freaking out.

What I want to do is see were i can go with this, and if the S&P forum can point me in the right direction.

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    #3131409 - 09/13/04 10:11 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

So you're interested in understanding the functions of the dimensions or just exploring them in general? I'm not sure what direction you are aiming for or what you are curious about and why. That would help and I may have something for ya. It's the dimensional stuff that appealed to you?

Glad to hear you pulled out of your depression. How did you do it?

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3131519 - 09/13/04 10:29 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

It has numbers in the text.  :tongue:

I don't like numbers.  *shudders*

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3131629 - 09/13/04 10:45 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

How can I explore them if i dont know how they work?
I guess im looking for experieces that other had, so i can learn from them.

What appeals to me is that i want to see impossible things, and understand them........the reason i am this way is because Ive always had a logical mind, i even rejected my parents religion, because it felt untrue when i was young.

Ate some mushrooms :smile: nah, after living in depression from birth, i saw the world as shit, but one day i realized that its my illusion.

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3131811 - 09/13/04 11:13 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, i can help ya a bit with this, as far as i have gotten with it anyway, only my mind is not there right now. Give me a day or so to type out a thoughtful reply on this.

I just want to be clear on this so I can focus. Your intention is to explore them?

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Re: Ascension [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3132336 - 09/14/04 12:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, here's what I know about them to date. the first dimension is a source dimension that feeds energy into this multiverse of dimensions. Whats outside of it all can be consider void stuff or dark energy that gets refined into light energy and realised, as well as it is used to create with.

The second dimension is made up of elemental archetypes. I havn't explored this one at all but am getting curious.

You know the 3rd.

the 4th, is akin to the astral plane. There is both love and fear in it- the whole spectrum of emotion is found there to the extremes. Some people refer to an upper and lower 4th. All of the good and evil archetypes are found in it.

It holds the consciousness of duality and is polarised. The consciousness of the plane has been merging in with ours for quite a while now as we become conscious co-creators of dualized energy instead of being run around by it. All of the balancing and neutralising work we are doing is happening in 4-D consciousness.

As we begin to align and move into oneness we have transcended the 4th and begin accessing more 5th.

If you go exploring in the 4th you will find beings caught up in the war of good and evil as well as beings who are stuck by emotional, physical attacments and addictions to the 3rd.. Personally, I care not to deal with beings from the 4th as info from them will be polarised. I do get called to sometimes help people move on who are stuck in it.

The fifth is non polarised and can still be percieved with forms. Realities are created in individualized events that are non linear and non related. There are collective ones and individual ones. You can invite beings in to experience in yours and go into others creations. In this dimension of consciousness there is no more fear, or negativity, and movement takes place through the motivation of creative inspiration. Its all about appreciating creation. There's a ton of unconditional love and freedom in it. Everything is creative opportunity and percieved as an experience for gaining greater levels of self realisation and understanding. I could on, its my favorite to explore as many of it's attributes are being brought in as well now to.

The 6th is made of of light forms and the morphegenic field that support the realities of the 3rd, 4th and 5th. When you are percieving in the 6th, what are seeing are light patterns, forms and constructs and color. I only started accessing it in the last half year and it's cool to see the overlays and how they work to support our reality.

I havn't explored into the 7th and up much at all yet. I do have info on their properties I will dig up.

I have my hands full with the 5th and 6th. As far as I know, they are really just dimensions of pure white light consciousness that are ever more refined. When sourcing information, I target to hit the 7th and 8th levels of consciousness for the best clarity.

The ninth and up right now, even the 7th and 8th to a large degree is mostly consciousness that is difficult to comprehend, let alone put into words.

I think ephinaies come form those dimensions.

well, it's a start. I will add more. I'm sure others can too. of course, I can't prove any of this. Its all based on my own exploration and understanding. I am still working on all of this dimensional stuff myself.

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Re: Ascension [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3132465 - 09/14/04 01:11 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I have brief summeries on some of the dimensions in a reply above this and realised I need to add this.

have you read the incesion article I posted a bit back? If not, let me pull it up. A lot of people started exploring what was meant by the multi dimensional merge and started realising that we are not escaping this lowly 3rd for the more prestigious higher realms 'ascension". What we are doing, is bring the higher light vibrations down into the physical densities.

Whats going on is a multi dimensional merge of consciousness and it's very subtle. Humans are percieivng multidimensionally and don't even know it.

Those of us conscious of it, are just mastering perciving in one at a time and shifting around, playing with raising and lowering or vibration at will. The goal beyond that is to be able to percieve in many of them at the same time. Thats a fucken feat. to hold the spectrum that open takes some skill and practice to be sure.

most people right now would crack or fry out their nervous systems. However, as we integrate this energies, we are evolving our DNA which is making changes in our nercous systems to house more light and faster vibrations.

Many are also consciously reprogramming their DNA to speed up the integrations. really this is a matter of rewriting beleif systems that run our auto pilot programs.

on top of this, as we are doing the work and especially in dream time, we are adding additional chakras to our grids that are acting as transformers so we can run more light through our systems and into smaller chakras that are being added without frying out.

Okay, thats all for now. There may be more yet as stuff comes to me.

Feel free to add anyone as White Russian asked for insight from all the shroomerites about this stuff.

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