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RandalFlagg said:I am willing to believe anything. Anything is possible. Is it
theoretically possible that the CIA or some nefarious U.S. backed
organization pulled off 9-11...of course it is. But, I need ample
and irrefutable evidence from unbiased sources.

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"establish shariah and justice" These are two incompatible concepts. Shariah may well be the most fascist doctrine ever. Half the population as chattel. Oh, there's justice for you. But they prefer being property. Sure they do.

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See, this is the problem Muslims have with the West - people tell us that our way of life, that our culture of Islam is wrong - yet these people who are are critical or down right hateful of Islam don't know a single thing about Shariah.

In your culture, women are chattel.  This is undeniable.  Don't bother telling me that they want it that way.  Your brethren stone women to death for nonsense.  They can't walk the streets unaccompanied!  THIS IS NOT THEIR CHOICE.  It is imposed on them.  The rest of the world condemns your treatment of women as barbaric.  And rightfully so.  Your brethren blame and shun RAPE VICTIMS as whores.  They recieve greater punishment than the rapists.

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"Iraqis would finally run their own affairs" Saddam Hussein was an Iraqi. Up until a few months ago he ran Iraq.
"Iran would not invade" Why not? Oh that's right, the mullahs from Iran would already be running the country by proxy.

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Do you know what Prime Minister Allawi is? He's an American puppet. He's a modern day President Nur M. Taraki; the puppet leader that was established in Afghanistan when the Soviet Union invaded in 1979. If pure Shariah was was established in Iraq, the Khilafah would not have anything to do with the Iranians and their Ayatollah Shi'ite theocracy which is contrary to Islamic Law.

You totally avoided my point that Saddam was an Iraqi.  Soon enough these goathumping savages will have an opportunity to govern themselves.  They can chose to join the rest of the world or they can go back to being ineffectual savages like they have always been, tearing each others lungs out over some ridiculous dispute.  Fuck, these retards can't even blame alcohol for their stupidity.  As to your opinion that Iran is not true Islam all I can say is "Who the fuck are you to say what true Islam is?" Some 'nuck douchebag. They say you're full of shit.  Now what?  You know what I think?  I think you're both full of shit.  If they're so different from you why do you spend so much time defending their actions.

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A "noble" mujahid would not launch an RPG at innocent people. Implication; an "ignoble" mujahid would. You are defining nobility on the basis of whether the mujahid would fire on innocents. Who decides who is innocent? Oh wait, it's the mujahid.

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The Qur'an and hadith determines who is innocent - and it also says that not every Muslim who claims to be fighting for Allah will truly be fighting for Allah; they would be fighting for Shaitan. There is the noble mujahid, and then there is the desperate terrorist who is unable to justify his acts to himself, so he justifies it to his religion by forsaking it fanatically. Look at the videos I posted in 'real mujahideen' - these are noble men, may Allah reward them. A terrorist does not do that, a terrorist doesn't fight the enemy army one Hind fighter copter or tank at a time. A terrorist is impatient and suicidal, a terrorist straps a bomb to himself, takes innocent people hostage and makes wide angle demands like a complete withdrawal of Russian troops or some other demand that will obviously not be met by the enemy. The real mujahid prays between battles. He does not 'pray one last time' and storms into a public building with bombs strapped to him. These are not real mujahids. These are terrorists.

The quran and hadith are interpreted by living humans and there seems to be a great deal of disagreement among the interpreters.  They say their interpretation is best, you say yours is best.  Once again, who the fuck are you?  Some stupid 'nuck who doesn't even live in the "holy land"  Same for your teachers.  And if they are not followers of true Islam, why do you try so hard to justify their behaviour?  Just say it's wrong and be done with it.

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I question whether all Chechen people feel the same way about this. Although a great many would prefer not to be under the yoke of the Russians, I suspect there is also a huge group, who are just as much Chechens, would rather not be under the yoke of the Islamo-fascists either. You Islamo-fascists may see basayev as a noble freedom fighter (internal inconsistency alert....he has directed the murder of innocents thus he is IGNOBLE) but I'm not sure every Chechnyan would be willing to trade one yoke for another. What protection would a Christian have in your wonderful paradise, eh?

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Actually, even if you were to watch Western documentaries on the Chechen conflict, like PBS's 'Greetings from Grozny' you'll even find there that nearly all Chechens hate the Russian occupation, and they want the Russians out and Islamic independence for themselves. Nearly all Chechens are Muslims who prefer Islamic Law (contrary to popular western belief, Muslims don't hate their religion) over the bloody occupation of the Russians. Once again you are displaying basic ignorance of Shariah. Muslims have been using Shariah since the time of the Prophet up until 1924. For centuries it has worked for us, and now westerners are telling us, "Sorry, you can't do that anymore!" when they don't even know the basic difference between jihad and ijtihad. 

"For centuries it has worked for us"  You must be fucking joking.  You had an excuse for your backwardness for centuries but then oil came along and your people happened to be sitting on a lot of it.  Talk about a retard's gift.  And your still backward.  Just noisier.  You sure fucked up that deal.  You know there is a famous experiment where a rat was given a choice between cocaine and food and he chose cocaine every time until he starved.  Your religion (in particular) is fatal cocaine.  If that's what "works" for you then fine.  You will continue to starve to death.

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It is utterly ignorant and disingenuous to equate the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan with our actions there and in Iraq. In Iraq in 1990 we were begged to rescue at least two Muslim nations, BY THOSE NATIONS, from a secular, albeit nominally Islamic, invader. The wahabbi nuts would have been summarily dispatched by Hussein the minute he took over. HE DOESN'T SHARE WELL. Afghanistan declared war when they refused to turn over the criminals. Do you think the Taliban rule was the "will of the Afghan people"? I don't. I think they were just the latest in a long series of temporary despots who have ruled, occasionally, there. And stop blaming the West for your despots. If you had any fucking balls at all you would kick them out in spite of our, if I must say, rather tepid support. Disorganized bunch of whining camel humpers who couldn't get enough agreement on how to screw in a lightbulb. Your plight is your own fault as a people.

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First, Saddam would hardly be considered a Muslim. He's one of those 'finds God in prison' types - I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. He drinks, has fornicated and raped countless women (which is punished by death) and to stop the religious moralists from causing unrest in his country, Saddam would place giant pictures of himself on a prayer rug in the Dua prayer position all over Baghdad. Under Shariah, Saddam would be executed. Under Shariah, Muslims would give Saddam a final moment to make his peace with Allah before a swing blade would behead the criminal. You also do not know the history of the Talibaan movement, and its brief post-9/11 history. In 1996 the country was so torn by tribal war, much of the country basically let the Taliban take over the country. The only armed opposition to the Taliban was the Northern Alliance - foreign fighters from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, etc. - not even Afghans, but fighters with known ties to Russia who Muslims already see as an enemy for their crimes against Muslims in Chechnya. When the Taliban marched into Kabul, Mullah Mohammed Omar became something as a folk hero among the Afghans because he captured a serial child rapist who was working with the Northern Alliance. Mullah Omar tried him in an Islamic court, four witnesses testified, and a Shariah advisor who was judge sentenced him to hanging. Mullah Omar himself then publically hung the animal from a tank. Most westerners can't even name a single Saddam-esque 'atrocity' of Mullah Omar other than 'Uh, he is the commander of the Taliban?' if they're even smart enough differentiate between Taliban fighters and Al Qaeda fighters. Above all that, the war in Afghanistan is another example of unprovoked aggression from the United States. Not only was the Taliban one of the first governments to offer sympathy for the 9/11 attacks, their position afterwards is not as black and white as people people. The Taliban agreed they would hand over Bin Laden only if evidence was provided that his network was behind the attack - if evidence was provided, Bin Laden would be tried in an Islamic Court so that the world's image of Islam would be less tarnished by the 9/11 attack. Instead, the U.S. went in anyway.


  The Taliban refused to hand over bin laden?????  Don't make shit up.  And you make my point with Hussein.  Take care of your criminals or we will do it for you.  Get some fucking guts and do the right thing, for once.

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"Muslims have the right to self rule." Let's see there are, what, a few dozen countries ruled by your despicable junta with populations of, I don't know, somewhat less than a billion people (there may be more than a billion Muslims but they don't all live in Muslim countries). It looks to me like you have ample opportunity to self rule. Or do you think that because YOU and a few of your ilk live in Canada, that nation should adopt shariah fascism as it's law. You have enough of the worlds nations and an incredible gift of a disproportionate amount of it's oil resources. MOVE PILGRIM. You do not have the right to impose your bullshit idea of justice on ANYBODY WHO DOESN'"T WANT IT.

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You have the nerve to tell us 'not to push our bullshit ideas' on people who don't want it when you are replying to my comment, 'We have the right to self rule'!? Astaghfirullah! (May Allah forgive you!) Incase you forgot, Shariah has not existed since 1924 - yet everyone thinks it's 'intolerant and bad' or something like that from getting a brief, albeit ignorant glimpse at the 'Muslim world' which is ruled by dictators from Morrocco to Pakistan. Believe me, that what Muslims want - is to overthrow these apostate dogs and establish Shariah and Justice through the Muslim lands. Frankly, non Muslims have no right to impose their ideologies on us. Until the Islamic urge for Islamic rule is acknowledged, Muslims will be waging a constant struggle against those who are preventing Islamic freedom for Muslims.

  Here is the operative phrase, once again.  YOU HAVE ENOUGH COUNTRIES, MOVE TO ONE OF THEM.  Rule your stupid selves there.

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And now this is the best of all. "We are currently fighting...." Yes, grasshopper you have shown your hairy red ass with this one and it has a stench of collaborator, at least, your many protestations to the lefties here to the contrary. Go to Iran and stay there, you will be very happy in your devotion, but keep your fascist shit out of my hemisphere.

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Not only are you obviously bigoted and hateful towards Muslims - you also lack the most basic knowledge about the religion, such as the difference between Shi'ite Muslims, Sunni Muslims, and even Sufi Muslims. You also have the nerve to call me a fascist, and Islam a fascist religion. Above that you also told me to 'keep your fascist shit out of my hemisphere' - where did that come from? When did the Islamic struggle against occupation turn into 'world domination'? Perhaps you are so paranoid of Islam and Muslims you believe anyone that kisses the ground 5 times a day wants to overthrow Western society and establish Shariah on a nation of 300 million non-Muslims.  Get some help brother, this hate/paranoia is not normal.

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Those who make jihad for the sake of Allah are the most righteous of men, and those who are killed in the way of Allah receive the highest reward from their Lord.

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Those who make jihad for the sake of Allah are the most righteous of men, and those who are killed in the way of Allah receive the highest reward from their Lord.

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Zahid.... Dude.... Brother. I'm about as left wing as they come. Against Bush. Against the 'pre-emptive' war in Iraq. Against killing of any type. Against Zionism. I'm a pacifist in all regards. I'm wishing desperately that fucking Israel would give the Palistinians what they deserve so that perhaps, just perhaps the bloodshed might end. But you frighten me. What exactly do you mean by the statement you made above? Do you mean that a person 'making jihad for the sake of Allah' by flying a plane into the WTC and killing innocent, largely sympathetic people such as myself will receive the highest reward from the lord (whoever or whatever the Lord may be)? Is that really what you believe?

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The jihad for the sake of Allah I talk about that is righteous is the on-going armed resistance that is going on in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, and Chechnya.

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Not to mention I took psychedelics and saw His face. 

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yeah, i think i went to the same show after overindulging a bit.
God didn't turn up for me, but the Buddha did. 
Hence I believe and act as I do. 

Ultimately, as long as you aren't participating in or condoning the killing of innocents, or trying to preach to me, I'm cool with whatever floats your boat. 

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Zahid said:
I believe this world was created by a Creator. Even the most simple living thing is widely complex in nature and science. I also see human beings as creatures who need God. God does not need us, but we need him. I cannot, and will not forsake my eternal provision for a few decades of hedonistic and pointless existence on earth. I have a purpose - I was made to be loved by God. Even my own love for God comes from God alone as I do not understand why this love is a reality. My love for God is a response for God's love for me - for humanity.

Not to mention I took psychedelics and saw His face. 

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