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Coco Coir Casings
    #3120864 - 09/11/04 01:08 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, I'm new to the whole casing thing but I've thus far decided I'll probably be using a Coco Coir casing.  I looked at the 60/40 vermiculite/coir casing and although it looks quite well, I'm wondering if anyone's known of a way to do so without microwaving to sanitize.  I don't have the option to do so.

I haven't yet gotten the coco coir but I'll probably be getting it from MycoSupply since they're still having the great 1/2 off special.  Bale probably.  :smile:  Anyways, any help is appreciated.


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: BioSore]
    #3120903 - 09/11/04 01:14 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Just put it in a jar and PC


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: Worf]
    #3120914 - 09/11/04 01:17 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

haha, yes, pc.... Lacking in that, the jars are PF tek. I would be doing cakes but I managed to not get the wide-mouth 1/2 pint jars so I"m stuck with casings. I figure it wouldn't hurt to use the stove to boil and sanitize like I did with the jars.


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: BioSore]
    #3120977 - 09/11/04 01:34 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You can boil some water on the stove then pour it on the coir.

Mix it up well, then let it cool and case your cakes.


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: Shmoppy McGillicuddy]
    #10665774 - 07/12/09 11:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

put your mixture in a clean pillow case, tie it up, and put it on a low boil for about an hour


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: thebamaking]
    #10666297 - 07/13/09 12:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Coir is better used as a substrate.  Peat, verm, and MGMC is better suited for a casing layer.  It's been a long time since we've discovered that coir as a casing layer was inadequate due to it's nutritive properties.


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #10666331 - 07/13/09 12:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Coir is better used as a substrate.  Peat, verm, and MGMC is better suited for a casing layer.  It's been a long time since we've discovered that coir as a casing layer was inadequate due to it's nutritive properties.




If he layers it like a casing won't it colonize anyway? Then he can throw on some peat and verm as a casing layer.


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: m00nshine]
    #10666392 - 07/13/09 01:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If I were you I would use 50/50 vermiculite/peatmoss.

Locally both bags would be about $10. If youre only casing small trays and you are only looking to run 2-3 flushes then you probably won't need any lime for now.

just measure out how much casing you need using 50% of each ingredient, pick out all the clumps, sticks and stems from the mix and whilst using a big pot or any type of container with a lid just add 180-200f water into the mixture until it is soaked into the mix and place a lid on it until it cools down to room temp.

once it has cooled then you can squeeze out any excess moisture bringing it to field capactity to be used s your casing layer.

there are many other methods to prepare substrates or casing layers but using the one above I have had 100% success rate up to 3 flushes.. after the 3rd I toss them for obvious reasons i dont need to explain.


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: shevanel]
    #10666413 - 07/13/09 01:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going to make a couple manure/peat/verm trays, I figure it'll work well because the verm/peat always works well and mycelium eats right through it, so why not throw in some manure and get more fruits, right? I wanted to add straw, too, but I guessed I looked in the wrong places for it :shrug: Either way I'm going to do a little experimenting and will post my results here to share with others.


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: m00nshine]
    #10666423 - 07/13/09 01:12 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i have had great luck with coco  thanks


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: m00nshine]
    #10666432 - 07/13/09 01:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You're going to use manure in your casing layer?

Feel free to experiment but I don't think you'll be more impressed than if you didn't do it.


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: shevanel]
    #10666447 - 07/13/09 01:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You're going to use manure in your casing layer?

Feel free to experiment but I don't think you'll be more impressed than if you didn't do it.




You think I should just wait until I get the straw/hay and just spawn to that (straw/manure/verm)? I'll use coir if I have to, but I don't think I'll be able to find it. Wouldn't my eperiment give you bigger fruits anyway, because manure is added to the mix? Wouldn't make much sense if it didn't; it's more nutrition for the mycelium to use...


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: m00nshine]
    #10666510 - 07/13/09 01:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In my opinion it will just add longer fruting times. Some people add the verm or coir to aid in retaining moisture. As far as the casing layer goes, Ive fruited coir/manure bulk trays with and without casing layers and the only noticable difference I ever saw was the time it took for prim. knots to say hello and pins to form. (using casing layer seemed to knock a couple days or more off the pinning process and obv it was because of the micro climate on the surface layer, added moisture and surface layer humdiity?)

I wouldn't be concerned with trying to add nutrients to a casing layer, thats really not optimal and not very beneficial, in my opinion anyway. Not to mention the chance your casing layer could possibly have problems with contaminations, or even stalled fruting.

Some problems I've encountered with casings are having them get too dry, or applied them too thick.. it'll take so long for the mycelium from underneath to "peak through" and could possibly cause matting, which most growers will notice a lack of pinset in those matted areas.

every successful casing layer Ive done was usually ready for frutiing conditions within 2 days, 3 days at the most. if your casing is taking longer than that than some parameter was definetly off and therefore will probably cause an issue.

but experimenting is fun, if you have the patience and are prepared to fail if something doesnt go right then it can either prove to be + or -

I like stick to what works, but every so often it's entertaining to make up that additional tray to try something that has been on your mind and compare it to the others.


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: shevanel]
    #10666550 - 07/13/09 01:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, experimenting is great. Say my main goal was to spawn to bulk sub for more fruits, should I just do a 1:3 ratio of spawn to manure? I would figure manure and verm would be a better mix, allowing the spawn to colonize easier. So a 1:3 ratio of spawn to manure/verm. My main goal is to have these trays put out more than just 50/50 casings alone.


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: m00nshine]
    #10666571 - 07/13/09 01:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

yeah i usually use 12-13 qts sub 4 quarts spawn and its ready to case in 10 days usually. the trays usually produce 8-9 oz dry after 3 flushes. youll always get more fruits if you spawn to bulk.


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: shevanel]
    #10666588 - 07/13/09 01:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you, you've been such a great help. I think I'm gonna go ahead and spawn to some manure/verm then. Then apply casing layer to some of them and not others to compare results.. I'm gonna take some of the pasteurized mix and set it in a tray and inoculate it for shits and giggles, also. I have spores coming out my ass :lol:


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: shevanel]
    #10666641 - 07/13/09 01:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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... i usually use 12-13 qts sub 4 quarts spawn and its ready to case in 10 days usually. the trays usually produce 8-9 oz dry after 3 flushes....




Woah, that's a lot of mush. I'm going to be mostly making small trays, maybe a foot x 6 in and 5 in deep. I have ~70 pf jars and more coming, I'm just afraid to throw a lot of cakes into a tub and lose them all you, know? I'm sure I'd get more if I just tubbed it up, but I'm a pussy...maybe you guy's'll have to convince me somehow :lol:


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: m00nshine]
    #10666681 - 07/13/09 02:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i once had a dream that i used a five gallon bucket as the fruting tray and it grew ONE big ass mushroom as if it were a thanksgiving turkey about to be carved and passed around the coffee table


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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: shevanel]
    #10666687 - 07/13/09 02:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Coco Coir Casings [Re: m00nshine]
    #10666904 - 07/13/09 02:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Coir is better used as a substrate.  Peat, verm, and MGMC is better suited for a casing layer.  It's been a long time since we've discovered that coir as a casing layer was inadequate due to it's nutritive properties.




If he layers it like a casing won't it colonize anyway? Then he can throw on some peat and verm as a casing layer.




That didn't make any bit of sense.  "IF HE LAYERS IT LIKE A CASING"  When do you layer casings?  I think we are confusing the term casing with substrate.  You don't layer a "casing"  The casing is the LAYER.  That's why we call it a "Casing Layer"


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