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Group honors curricula that explore 9/11's 'root causes'
    #3117614 - 09/10/04 07:40 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Group honors curricula that explore 9/11's 'root causes'

Thu Sep 9, 8:33 AM ET Add Top Stories - USATODAY.com to My Yahoo!

By Greg Toppo, USA TODAY

Call it the Chips Ahoy! School of International Studies: Fifth-
graders at Fratney Street School in Milwaukee learn about causes of
terrorism with a small bag of cookies and a large map of the world.

Bob Peterson teaches students that overpopulation and poverty help
make it easier to recruit terrorists for attacks like those on Sept.
11, 2001.

Schools have been teaching about Sept. 11 since that morning nearly
three years ago, but this year, Families of September 11, founded by
victims' relatives, is honoring Peterson and three others for
curricula on terrorism's root causes. At a Smithsonian Institution
(news - web sites) conference today, the group will issue guidelines
for educators.

In one of Peterson's lessons, students stand, arranged by population,
on a huge world map. Peterson hands out cookies according to gross
national products: The 16 students in Asia each get one cookie, and
the three in Africa split half a cookie among them. In North America,
one student enjoys eight cookies.

Though he doesn't "blame America" for the attacks, Peterson says,
even children "can be encouraged to ask deep questions" about the
causes of terrorism.

Opponents say that runs the risk of creating empathy for terrorists.
Teachers must ensure "that students aren't taking away an overly
simplistic view of why terrorism happens," says Kathleen Porter-Magee
of the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation, a think tank that has pushed for
more rigorous history curricula. Though students might understand its
causes, she says, terrorism is irrational.

But saying the perpetrators were simply evil or insane is terrifying,
says Families of September 11 president Mary Ellen Salamone, whose
husband died in the World Trade Center. "I don't think it's helpful
for children to think this ... happened for no reason."

Sept. 11 "is being taught in school - we need to step up to the plate
and make sure it isn't terrorizing children."

Schools don't even need to remind students of the trauma of that day,
says David Mednicoff, a professor at the University of
Massachusetts. "Students hold on to their feelings from this, as do
we."

Mednicoff's course won the collegiate award. His students have
included returning soldiers as well as those from the Middle East.

The program was co-sponsored by Dickinson College in Carlisle, Pa.
The other winners are Masato Ogawa of Ontario (Ore.) High School and
Tracy Paxton of Rivermont Collegiate Middle School in Bettendorf,
Iowa. Paxton's students design a project that commemorates 9/11 and
examines their cultural beliefs and knowledge of history, politics,
geography and current events.

Ogawa's students discuss the Patriot Act and the U.S. government's
treatment of Japanese Americans during World War II and consider
whether the government should extend the limits of its authority
during wartime.

The curricula are online at www.teaching9-11.org.


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Re: Group honors curricula that explore 9/11's 'root causes' [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3118191 - 09/10/04 01:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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In one of Peterson's lessons, students stand, arranged by population,
on a huge world map. Peterson hands out cookies according to gross
national products: The 16 students in Asia each get one cookie, and
the three in Africa split half a cookie among them. In North America,
one student enjoys eight cookies.


That is such an ingeneous teaching method, that's awesome.

Good find.    :thumbup:


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Re: Group honors curricula that explore 9/11's 'root causes' [Re: Skikid16]
    #3118336 - 09/10/04 02:04 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I disagree with that subject and how it is being taught.

Most, if not all, of the terrorism we experience is Islamic
terrorism. The subject is so complicated that I don't think you
should be trying to "explain" it to kids, because you will have to
simplify it.

Islamic terrorism is not motivated by poverty. It is motivated by
religious fanaticism and anger towards U.S. foreign policy.
Osama Bin Laden is a millionaire. Osama's second in command is a
doctor. Mohammed Atta(one of the 9-11 pilots) had attended graduate
school.

Al Qaeda quite clearly states that they hate the U.S. because we
have troops in the Middle East and because we support Israel. Those
two things have nothing to do with poverty.

This whole "educational" exercise smacks of apologetic, socialist,
and Left-wing spin full of self-loathing and guilt.


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Re: Group honors curricula that explore 9/11's 'root causes' [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3118377 - 09/10/04 02:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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This whole "educational" exercise smacks of apologetic, socialist,
and Left-wing spin full of self-loathing and guilt.


But to simply say the terrorists are evil, without trying to understand it is rightwing, killthecommie, cowboy mentality.

I do not think the children should be taught to simpathize with the terrorist, but to teach children there are inequities in the world, and those inequities sometimes have dire consequences is the right thing to do, at least in my opinion.


Quote:

Most, if not all, of the terrorism we experience is Islamic
terrorism. The subject is so complicated that I don't think you
should be trying to "explain" it to kids, because you will have to
simplify it.



Why is it wrong to simplify it if it helps children understand the fear they are experiencing?

Quote:

Islamic terrorism is not motivated by poverty. It is motivated by
religious fanaticism and anger towards U.S. foreign policy.



In the above statement you said it is so complex, but in this statement it seems you've overly simplified it. To say none of the anger towards US foreign policy forms from poverty is shortsighted, at least in my opinion.

Quote:

Osama Bin Laden is a millionaire. Osama's second in command is a
doctor. Mohammed Atta(one of the 9-11 pilots) had attended graduate
school.



Hell, three of them are rich, they all must be.

What about the thousands of recruits, are you really saying their poverty has nothing to do with their hatred of the US and their willingness to die for that hatred?


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Re: Group honors curricula that explore 9/11's 'root causes' [Re: Skikid16]
    #3118499 - 09/10/04 02:36 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)


This whole "educational" exercise smacks of apologetic, socialist,
and Left-wing spin full of self-loathing and guilt.


But to simply say the terrorists are evil, without trying to
understand it is rightwing, killthecommie, cowboy mentality.

Islamic terrorists want to kill us. We need to defend ourselves.
But, we should also try to understand them and why they are so angry.
Questioning the whole topic of terrorists and their motivations
is a worthwhile endeavor. However, this topic is out of the league
of fifth graders in my opinion.


I do not think the children should be taught to simpathize with the
terrorist, but to teach children there are inequities in the world,
and those inequities sometimes have dire consequences is the right
thing to do, at least in my opinion.

This teacher was focusing on economic inequities, which is
a hallmark of Leftish spin. Also, he doesn't address the simple
fact that Al Qaeda makes little or no mention of poverty in
their "fatwa" (the religious edict that explains why they hate
America).


Why is it wrong to simplify it if it helps children understand the
fear they are experiencing?

Simplifying a terribly complex subject inevitably will not give the
students an accurate view of what is going on.


Islamic terrorism is not motivated by poverty. It is motivated by
religious fanaticism and anger towards U.S. foreign policy.


In the above statement you said it is so complex, but in this
statement it seems you've overly simplified it. To say none of the
anger towards US foreign policy forms from poverty is shortsighted,
at least in my opinion.

I am just going by what Al Qaeda has said in statements and what the
Islamic extremists bitch about when they demonize America. I
hardly ever hear poverty mentioned. The things that are mentioned
are America's "decadence", our support for Israel, and our meddling
in, and propping up of, governments.


What about the thousands of recruits, are you really saying their
poverty has nothing to do with their hatred of the US and their
willingness to die for that hatred?

It is possible that poverty did breed resentment and hatred in some
people. For example, in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict, the
Palestinians experience a 50% unemployment rate and they are very
poor. In this case I would be willing to bet that poverty does
contribute to their anger.

But, when it comes to the Islamists hatred of America, poverty
definately does not play the entire role as I think I have shown.
To ignore all of the other reasons(which the Islamists routinely
tell us about) is not honest. If a teacher can't provide an
articulate, honest, and accurate representation of something
then he shouldn't even try.


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Re: Group honors curricula that explore 9/11's 'root causes' [Re: Skikid16]
    #3118579 - 09/10/04 02:53 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Terrorism isn't about the inequalities of the wealth of the U.S. in relation to other countries. This 'teacher' is a simplistic ideologue who is using the tragedy of 9/11 to promote his socialist agenda.


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Re: Group honors curricula that explore 9/11's 'root causes' [Re: Evolving]
    #3118597 - 09/10/04 03:01 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Yep.

Sadly, he is far from unique.

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Re: Group honors curricula that explore 9/11's 'root causes' [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3118646 - 09/10/04 03:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:

This whole "educational" exercise smacks of apologetic, socialist,
and Left-wing spin full of self-loathing and guilt.


But to simply say the terrorists are evil, without trying to
understand it is rightwing, killthecommie, cowboy mentality.

Islamic terrorists want to kill us. We need to defend ourselves.
But, we should also try to understand them and why they are so angry.
Questioning the whole topic of terrorists and their motivations
is a worthwhile endeavor. However, this topic is out of the league
of fifth graders in my opinion.



Hell, last semester I took a college course on Middle-Eastern studies, and at the end of it, I just felt more confused about it than ever.


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