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Invisibleelfin
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Vermiculite Outlawed.
    #311727 - 05/08/01 05:24 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I've yet to see this mentioned anywhere on the boards which i found very surprising. Most forms Vermiculite have been outlawed in the New England Area...Apparently it contains high amounts of Asbestos which is extremely toxic. Vendors are allowed to sell there remaining stock but cannot restock it...Keep in mind all this information came from the sales dude at Home Depot and the Owner of a Local-area Gardening Company (Frank's)...both had extremely similar accounts.



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InvisibleBrownPastures
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: elfin]
    #311729 - 05/08/01 05:26 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

whoa man that's scary ... asbestos?! cancerous shit

go fish


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Invisiblecarmex234
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: BrownPastures]
    #311738 - 05/08/01 05:30 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Ya its already down south. They are outlawing the finer ground vermiculite, and selling the coarser ground chunky shit in its place....i like the chunky stuff better anyways

I remember when this was all malls and concrete, shame what they have done!


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OfflineLiquidGaia
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: BrownPastures]
    #311739 - 05/08/01 05:31 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

had that trouble today, almost had a panic attack trying to find verm.

Got some nice potting soil mix with polymers which hold water, contains lime stone, polymers, peat moss, and some perlite.

Gonna see if it works as a casing layer, but the PF tek is history.


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InvisibleBrownPastures
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: LiquidGaia]
    #311744 - 05/08/01 05:34 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

hey isnt't polymers just a pretty word for styrofoam????

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OfflineKaoServitor
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: carmex234]
    #311752 - 05/08/01 05:37 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

aw, so that explains the big ass chunky shit i got the other day...



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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: KaoServitor]
    #311763 - 05/08/01 05:47 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

If you go to the Schultz website you can read the whole story of the asbestos scare. I far as I know they are the only brand to be affected.

Try some other stores?

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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: elfin]
    #311769 - 05/08/01 05:49 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, this whole vermiculite/asbestos thing has been posted over and over again not only here, but on DD, ADM, and mycotopia. Thing all came about because of some contaminated verm from asbestos, somebody here had a link to the shultz site that explained the whole thing.

Home Depot, Walmart, etc. - are all in the process of pulling verm of the shelfs in New England especially. The people I've talked to in Home Depot didn't know shit, when asked if they carry vermiculte, this old geeser looked at me as if I was a ghost and proclaimed...."We don't carry it anymore, IT CAUSES CANCER!" - I just shook my head and walked away.

This whole thing will blow over in a few months IMO..........

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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: BrownPastures]
    #311835 - 05/08/01 06:50 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

nope polymers look like salt but can contain like 1000 times there weight in water .. good for outdoor gardening in remote places

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Offlinegalapagos
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: elfin]
    #311838 - 05/08/01 06:52 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I thought I was out of luck today, too, but then I visited my reputable local nursery/garden center and found it with no problem. So, I'd suggest forgetting the national chains and just start calling up every locally-owned shop until you find some. They also tend to be much more knowledgable than the guys at Home Depot and their ilk. I'm pretty confident that you'll find it. And if you do, I suggest stocking up; there's no telling when this scare will end.

And, at the worst, there's always mail-order. I think the Shroomery mentions www.homeharvest.com as an online supplier. Good luck!

-galapagos



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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: galapagos]
    #311904 - 05/08/01 07:47 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

You can order vermiculite from the SporeLab.

And it ain't Schultz!

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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: galapagos]
    #311905 - 05/08/01 07:48 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

What about replacing verm with Peat? has anybody here tried that lately and if so....what results?



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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: Tlaloc]
    #311910 - 05/08/01 07:57 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I use jiffy mix myself, I wonder if they are going to stop using vermiculite. I guess if this sticks then we are going to have to find a new recipe to replace the pf tek.



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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: Entheonaut]
    #311942 - 05/08/01 08:34 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

here is the link to the shultz article : http://www.schultz.com/news15.htm



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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: Tlaloc]
    #311950 - 05/08/01 08:44 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

peat contaminates easily, I just bought a whooooooooole shit load of verm, no for sell, I'm set for life, haha J/K there are to many ways to grow on, loss of verm is not going to shut down the shroom community...

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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: Taz]
    #312005 - 05/08/01 09:49 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

not to "rub it in," folks, but the funniest thing happened to me at Wallmart about 3 months ago.

While looking for vermiculite, they were sold out of the regular size bags. . .but had JUST ONE of these industrial sized 10 lb. bags sitting on a pallett. It was about 3 feet around, and almost as tall as me.

I told the guy I just needed "a little."

He filled a 100 gallon plastic garbage bag FULL of the shit for me. . . and then scanned the UPC of the SMALL BAG for me, 'cause I didn't take the whole thing.

So I ended up with about 10 years worth of vermiculite for $3.49 plus tax.

It just makes me grin like a happy kid when I see all the availabiltiy issues people are posting about vermiculite.

Don't get me wrong. . . I don't revel in your misfortune. . .I'm just happy that for ONCE. . . I made out like a bandit!

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Invisible40oz
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: elfin]
    #312042 - 05/08/01 11:33 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

they also pulled scotts brand vermiculite too at my local home depot....what sucks, is that i dont even  live in "england",
I live in California!!!!
the only shit they had was a 20lb. bag of industrial coarse shit!
i had no other choice....but now i am glad, im set for a while too!:)
i made this link clickable:
here is the link to the shultz article :
http://www.schultz.com/news15.htm



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Invisibleoscill8
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: 40oz]
    #312048 - 05/08/01 11:59 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

ACE hardware still carries it, the schultz brand, at least in my hometown. since theyre a chain, perhaps they have it at all of their stores.



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InvisibleHippie3
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: oscill8]
    #312143 - 05/08/01 05:08 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

good thing i get mine in 4 cubic foot bags, about $17 usd.

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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: elfin]
    #312159 - 05/08/01 05:30 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

trouble finding it in the New England area.... i just went to "Frank's Nursery" and bought more vermiculite than i could carry (10, yeah TEN bags). Looks like the same shit, different day. I keep hearing about this shortage, but i haven't seen it yet. in either case, i have a whole fuking lot more than i'll ever need for the rest my days. later!




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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: shellacct]
    #312177 - 05/08/01 06:15 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Wouldn't Perilite work about the same? Is that just a brand name of verm?


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Anonymous

Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: uncarved_block]
    #312192 - 05/08/01 06:38 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Perlite is something else all together.
It's not a brand name of verm.

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Offlinemagnusra
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: ]
    #312238 - 05/08/01 07:33 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Vermiculite is a mineral either derived from or similar to mica which is then puffed. Perlite is volcanic glass that is then puffed. So the perlite is completely void of nutrients (Although I doubt verm has much) and also a little more difficult to work with given the abrasive dust. Also I don't think the perlite has the same amount of water retention, but I could be wrong. It wicks it well but I don't think it actually can hold as much, but again I could be wrong.

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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: uncarved_block]
    #312249 - 05/08/01 07:43 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

no, perlite is moe of an aerous rock, its usually very hard. vermiculite is softer and can hold more water i believe.





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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: elfin]
    #312451 - 05/09/01 01:13 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Well fuck, I made some phone calls a week or two ago and the first place I called looking for it said they carried it and had all kinds in stock, and I think that was an agway...btw I too am in new england.

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OfflineLiquidGaia
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: Krendle]
    #313378 - 05/10/01 03:42 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I'm currently using Schultz "Moisture Plus Potting Mix" (i've listed the ingredience above) and I currently have Thai and Pesa cased in it, its colonzing extremely fast, much faster then the 50/50+, and I'm guessing its due to the compost and lime in it. I'll keep you guys posted on the size of the flush in comparison to the old 50/50 I use to use.


Its a sad thing that verm is being taken away, looks like we're all gonna need to do the whole grain tek (which in my opinion is better :), but fer the newbies, there might be some trouble.



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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: LiquidGaia]
    #313435 - 05/10/01 04:59 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

my walmart in the midwest has been out for a few months and says that they have no clue as to when the can get more. they are blaming asbestos. But i was thinking what would in be like to use sand for the in place of the verm in on top of the substrate in jars?

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Offlinemagnusra
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: Larrythescaryrex]
    #313481 - 05/10/01 06:03 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I think the vermiculite will stay. It is a very large industry, they are probably just biding their time while this blows over. But as for perlite, here is the definition from dictionary.com
per?lite also pearl?ite (p?rlt).
n.
A natural volcanic glass similar to obsidian but having distinctive concentric cracks and a relatively high water content. In a fluffy heat-expanded form perlite is used as a lightweight aggregate, in fire-resistant insulation, and in soil for potted plants.

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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: magnusra]
    #313484 - 05/10/01 06:05 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I completely forgot to respond to the sand thing. I'm not too sure that it would work. I think too much would fall in the spaces in the substrate. Also I think it might compact a little too much for good air exchange.

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OfflineMNmyc
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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: magnusra]
    #313509 - 05/10/01 06:32 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Sand is good for drainage, but not good enough for areation of fungi, if you ask me.

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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: MNmyc]
    #313517 - 05/10/01 06:36 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

And from what I understand, the asbestos thing is isolated to the mine in montana (?).

There is apparently few places (4) that produce vermiculite. Who cares about it? just don't breathe it. it makes little scars in your lungs, that's all. Like fiberglass.

Am I ignorant?

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Re: Vermiculite Outlawed. [Re: MNmyc]
    #313528 - 05/10/01 06:45 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Yea it definitely isn't a big concern unless you are constantly working with the stuff (e.g. Working at the mine or at a potting soil factory where you be contstantly exposed). The asbestos they found in the consumer stuff was barely detectable and yes only from one mine. They hit a batch or the rock which contains it. And it is a highly dangerous substance when inhaled in large enough quantities. I think it is a carcinogen, but it also brings about unique respitory diseases like asbestosis, and mesothelioma. In other words it's some bad shit but you should be more concerned about getting it from old buidings then verm.

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