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OfflineJesusChrist
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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Phred]
    #3113265 - 09/09/04 02:02 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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pinksharkmark said:
Sorry to open a can of worms and then head off to sleep, but one of your points is unfortunately right on the money. Note that what I am about to say is in no way shape or form racist, but a simple statement of fact.

Several analysts have pointed out that if one were to extract the black crime statistics from the mix, change them to exactly mirror the non-black crime statistics, then run the numbers through again, the US crime figures would be no higher than that of the other industrialized Western countries and lower than several.

So the question is not why are Americans so violent, but why are black Americans so violent. There are many theories from many sources which try to answer this. The US's prohibition of drugs, the disintegration of the black family, the contempt urban black youth hold for eduction, the black teen birth rate, misguided welfare policies, the culture of "victimhood", the idolization of gangsta and thug mentalities -- all of these are probable factors.

pinky




Excellent points. You post so that I don't have to. I thank you for that.

All of the shooting in my neighborhood is because of turf wars for drugs. Moore asked a serious question about why we have gun crime, but he didn't report the tragic statistics of the black community. Instead he blamed white racism with a little cartoon about the Mayflower. What a horrible way to confront a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

His interview with Heston shows what a complete asshole he is. If Michael Moore himself was losing his mind, I wouldn't want to see him exploited like that. Winning an argument against a senile old man takes one tough guy. The only thing tougher than that was when Geraldo Rivera asked a shakled down Charles Manson "Do you think you could take me?" What a tough guy.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3113363 - 09/09/04 02:27 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Not really a question of the law, more to do with a sense of morals. If I sold ammo to an 18 year old kid who went and slaughtered a bunch of kids I'd have to think twice about what I was doing. Wouldn't you?


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OfflineSeussA
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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Xlea321]
    #3113389 - 09/09/04 02:31 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

> If I sold ammo to an 18 year old kid who went and slaughtered a bunch of kids I'd have to think twice about what I was doing.

What if I sold ammo to an 18 year old kid that has been hired by the city and is a sworn officer of the law. My point here is that you have no idea what the person is going to do with what you are selling them, let alone their age.

This is yet another example of people refusing to take responsiblities for their actions and trying to dump the blame on somebody else. It was the kids that pulled the trigger that deserve the blame... not their parents... not the people that teased them... not the people that sold them guns... not the people that sold them ammo... not the people that sold them propane... not the people...


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Xlea321]
    #3113421 - 09/09/04 02:37 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)


Not really a question of the law, more to do with a sense of morals.
If I sold ammo to an 18 year old kid who went and slaughtered a bunch
of kids I'd have to think twice about what I was doing. Wouldn't you?

I would think about it, yes. However, should I let one instance
perpetrated by one customer(that I had nothing to do with and that
my other customers had nothing to do with) affect my behavior as
a retailer?

Following that logic, McDonalds should go out of business
for causing heart disease, car manufacturers should go out of
business for producing things which result in the deaths of
hundreds of thousands of people a year, tobacco companies should
go out of business...etc..etc..

My point is is that those bullets have legitimate purposes(target
shooting and self-defense). The vast majority of people who buy
them use them in responsible ways. I don't think we should
limit people's rights because of the bad behavior of other
people that they had nothing to do with. And, I don't think that
retailers should cave in to the demands of political pressure
groups.


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Invisiblesilversoul7
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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3113427 - 09/09/04 02:38 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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He insinuates that it is because America does not take good enough
care of its poor(I disagree, America spends hundreds of billions of
dollars on giving poor people free stuff(public subsidized housing,
free medical care, food stamps, etc...)).



I think that's exactly the problem. We think of "taking care" of the poor as meaning free handouts, when we should really be focusing on empowering them to move up on the social ladder. To do this, we should repeal business regulations which inhibit entrepreneurism. Also, the single Land Value Tax I've talked about so much would allow for more affordable housing for them, and prevent the creation of "slums." Then, of course, we could legalize drugs, which would stop turf wars as well as providing more opportunities for entrepreneurism(drug dealers could go legit and sell their product legally out of shops).


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Seuss]
    #3113431 - 09/09/04 02:38 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

My point here is that you have no idea what the person is going to do with what you are selling them, let alone their age.

Well you obviously have some idea of their age if they're buying the ammo at a Kmart.

Fair enough - if you could have sold the columbine killers their ammo and felt nothing about it then I respect your point of view.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Xlea321]
    #3113466 - 09/09/04 02:46 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

first of all, are you talking about my grammar style? if so, who gives a fuck about my grammar?
Now, what percentage of gun crimes are committed with legally obtained guns? I would like to know...


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Xlea321]
    #3114186 - 09/09/04 04:51 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Alex123 said:
Is Heston still the President of the NRA? I really don't know

I don't think Chuck really knows either.


Alex, this has to be the BEST comment I've ever seen you make, kudos...... :thumbup:

You really did have me laughing out loud.


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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3115323 - 09/09/04 08:44 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Al Gore's idea of gun safety



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Re: Bowling for Columbine [Re: Skikid16]
    #3115504 - 09/09/04 09:20 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Is Heston still the President of the NRA? I really don't know, seeing I'm not a member




I believe he stepped down a year or two ago.
He was diagnosed with symptoms suggesting the onset of Alzheimer's.. had a speech, and article in NRA magazines, asked everybody to be understanding if he starts telling the same stories over and over and isn't quite as sharp as he used to be.

"Not really a question of the law, more to do with a sense of morals. If I sold ammo to an 18 year old kid who went and slaughtered a bunch of kids I'd have to think twice about what I was doing. Wouldn't you? "

And how would you feel if you sold gasoline to somebody, who then unbeknownst to you later used it to set a nursing home on fire?

If you sold a kid a can of coke and he used it to smoke pot, and you were against marijuana, would you feel bad about selling kids cans of coke?

Did you do anything wrong in either situation?

Fuck no. The people that did something wrong? They did something wrong.


I am not accountable for the illegal actions of others, and neither are you, nor anybody else who did not take part in those illegal actions.


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