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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #311405 - 05/07/01 04:34 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I think McMan is right on the money. (way to go man)

Awarness without excessive paranoia is the only way to safely live with the dangerous "hobby" we have all chosen. And i agree that there are people reading this post right now and being paid to do it.
-----HEY THERE! ;P
The only thing i have to add is the need for a legal issue board where we can ask questions, post news and experiances, etc...
This is a HUGE issue in this community and the fact a forum doesn't exist is only an indication of peoples ignorance or fear of the subject---BOTH ARE BAAAAAAAAD.

I happen to think freedom is a...no THE major issue. Lets give it more attention plz.




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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: Tlaloc]
    #311423 - 05/07/01 05:01 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Everything said here is legal as of today. The vendors sell spores, which are legal. It would be extremely difficult to obtain a search warrant to enter someones house based on what was said on the internet. By registering here, you have a reasonable expectation of privacy. If you start threatening presidents or acts of terrorism, all bets are off.



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: McMan]
    #311429 - 05/07/01 05:06 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

McMan.. Ryche sells dung and edible cultures. What's the big deal?



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: McMan]
    #311447 - 05/07/01 05:24 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think the shroomery is in danger because of the ads, like its been said vendors are in a legal business... I think Ryche knows more about the law then most people realize, in my discussions with him he seems to know what is safe and what isn't......

But I do like hearing this debate, I don't know enough myself so please lets hear opinions and ideas on this subject...

But from what I gather if there is any risk its to Ryche personally and not the shroomery....

Don't worry NuShroom, this thread belongs here, I think its good for the community to be made aware of certain risks associated with a hobby such as this....

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: McMan]
    #311482 - 05/07/01 05:59 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

When I looked at the DB order form, it said no spores were included. That was a few days ago, so maybe that's changed.

Sporeworks has growing params on their site. AND you're assuming that cultivation is illegal **everywhere** and it is not.

Are they supposed to have two seperate sites? One for free people and one for US citizens. Click here if you're oppressed, otherwise, click here..

What are your thoughts on self-responsibility?




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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: egghead]
    #311484 - 05/07/01 06:09 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

yo

egghead, you're right. and that's probably the crucial point here. spores are not included, so you have to buy your edibles spores somewhere else. :-)



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #311941 - 05/08/01 01:34 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

welcome to the United States of Russia...oh wait Clinton sold us out to the chinese, Welcome to the United communists states of china...

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: McMan]
    #311963 - 05/08/01 01:50 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

What about us European members, can't we post pics, I thought I didn't show that much shrooms in my first pic-thread, but I'm also not a spore vendor so this might not count for me!!! But as growing shrooms for own consumption is safe here, we don't have to bother for DEA also.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #311977 - 05/08/01 02:14 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Where does "the law" believe a spore vendor is getting his/her spores from? I think that being a producer of spores pretty much guarantees that you, at one point, possesed the mushroom. Does the law just "look the other way" on this issue? I mean, there's no legal agency in the world that thinks Ryche or anyone else is gathering the spores from the wind...without mushroom growing, there is no spore producing. Does "the law" believe that these vendors are getting the spores in other (rational) countries and distributing just the spores - just for reasearch?

I just don't understand how the law permits spore production w/o permitting mushroom cultivation.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: McMan]
    #311989 - 05/08/01 02:35 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

This is complete insanity!!!
(the governments policy on soft drugs)

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: paddoholland]
    #311996 - 05/08/01 02:40 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

This is complete insanity!!!
(the governments policy on soft drugs)




Now thats something I can totally agree with :wink:



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: McMan]
    #312030 - 05/08/01 03:38 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Amen  :wink:

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #312152 - 05/08/01 10:21 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)


As far as pic of mushrooms go you can not id a mushroom on the physiology alone.
There a contributing factors that will make the mushroom maybe contain psilocybin.Envirorment,blueing reaction,color of spore print.No pics here show all those parameters when posting.Even if your face is in it with out any physical evidence.This is will not hold up for a jury trail.There was a case i read about were there were pic.of a guy hitting out of a bong they had raided the house to find nothing.No one could id the type of smoke coming out of the persons mouth.Just cuz some cop saw someone's pic on here this does not give them the right to kick the door down.Yes there are such a thing as a warrentless search And seizure.But this has to be done by narc that has credibly.He has to of had lots of other convictions under his belt.Beside that as far as mushroom cult.the only other way to enter the house is controlled buy's usually 2 or 3 and they are in.As Far as these kits go they have the same legalities that hyro places that sell lights do.How many people do you know that grow vegetbles in there house under hid's.Mcman how can you compare contributing to manufacturing a cds to murder?Ii can see fraud but not murder.Ever states
law differ so this is just for one.




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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: McMan]
    #312176 - 05/08/01 11:15 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I live in Europe and many of us europeans think that those
laws are really sick, we also have countries with some restrictive laws, i live in Portugal wich is one of those countries (boy i love The Netherlands!!!!) but we manage to safely grow shrooms altough Psylocibin and Psylocin are listed as prohibited narcotics, cops go after heavy drugs and even MJ is used with some confidence but no like Spain, in Spain they let you grow MJ for personal use :)), and going back to shrooms you can safely order dried ones to eat from the web (azarius or smarbotanics). It's all a question of politics, i think USA governament as to stop wasting tons of money on DEA's and alikes, it won't worth the time and resources they spend, they know it's impossible to stop something wich exists since the dawn of time, there allways be people selling, buying and consuming drugs, period. They know that, they know the effects and they know how some of this drugs help people see the true meaning of their own life, and the truth is that we are individuals, free ones, you don't want fucking DEA's, what you want is somebody with balls and a clear mind to teach people and teach them to have a strong personality and to believe in them, spend that money on educating people how to be responsible and you'll have a nation made of really free people, USA repression sucks big time, what's the right drug? Fats from McDonalds, tar from Marlboro and alcohol from Jack Daniels ?
I like them all!!!! Anyway i wouldn't trade any above for a good shroom and you all agree with me on that.


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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: MAIA]
    #312194 - 05/08/01 11:40 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Hehe.. I think we were seperated at birth. ;)

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: McMan]
    #312224 - 05/08/01 12:15 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

while i'm sure that this board is under constant surveillance, apparently, the authorities are not overly concerned with the home cultivation of mushrooms and even the spore suppliers, or at least have not taken any direct action that any of us have heard of. it is obvious that the spore suppliers must cultivate mushrooms in order to supply the quantity of spore prints that they do, and i presume that it would be simple to get a warrant to further investigate their legal legitimacy.
i imagine that while incriminating evidence from posts on bulletin boards such as this serve well as coroborating evidence in cases when something else (presumably some stupid action) has actually lead to the warrant/arrest, such information doesn't stand alone to be sufficient for further investigation.
nevertheless, it is best to avoid any grey legal areas.
don't admit that you cultivate mushrooms or participate in illegal actions and you won't incriminate yourself. either refer to a friend or refer to theoretical research, dreams, etc... include a standard disclaimer in your signature as many people do.
hopefully, if people who choose to cultivate mushrooms do so in a quiet and intelligent way so as not to attract undue attention, it will remain and area that isn't a regulatory priority.

oh yeah,
and inncoluate the world

my disclaimer: i didn't suggest that i am involved in cultivating mushrooms or participating in any illegal activity, therefore i don't need one. ha.

my 2nd discaimer, just in case: i don't cultivate msuhrooms or participate in any illegal activity, i just comment on those who appear to be doing so.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: McMan]
    #312418 - 05/08/01 05:29 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

sorry, mcman, but you have to be the most uniformed unitelligent person who speaks up here.
your ability to grow shrooms isnt in question here. i have seen your products and some of your stuff, and i have read many of your posts. my old email was deleted, so i got a new name here.. i have been here for 3 years now.

what you are telling people is just moronic.
i know the destruction of the rainforest sucks ass, but what the fuck does that have to do with us? anyways, unless you want to pay 2 dollars for a hamburger or 30,000 for a ford escort, get used to the US sending work and supply chains overseas or even just to mexico. americans let this happen by bitching about prices constantly. we want more, bigger, more, bigger, more. stupid fucking braindead american public.
and another thing, i have been on overgrow since nearly its beginning. they have ads of people who send mj seeds to the US. this is illegal as fuck. way worse than spores. spores are per-state legal. seeds arent legal anywhere. but nobody has ever been busted because of this...

if you ever get busted, its because you are stupid. period.
what does ryche advertising in the cult thread have to do with anything anyone else cares about?



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: McMan]
    #312607 - 05/08/01 08:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

maybe theyll find a cure for dumb people in the rainforest..

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #312615 - 05/08/01 09:13 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

hey can you PM with the ways of your magical legalities



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: hunterthompson]
    #312623 - 05/08/01 09:31 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

this is interesting stuff--i've been very curious about these affairs as of late.

as far as vendors are concerned, and legality, how does that work? in some sites the mushrooms are shown growing in obviously NOT natural surroundings. Seems pretty obvious to me--is this enough to warrant a search or an arrest?

And as far as "hobbyists" I would assume that the vast majority of "researchers" do not grow enough to actually supply a good number of people with mushrooms, and thus, do not warrent too much interest from the authorities.

What do you all think?

So glad we are discussing such things...

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #312782 - 05/09/01 12:53 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

once again everyone....WELCOME TO THE UNITED STATES OF THE COMMUNISTS REPUBLIC,



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: Taz]
    #312826 - 05/09/01 01:59 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Speaking of Ryche has anyone heard from him recently? Hmm..given the recent posts I think the paranoia has spread to me, but it just seems odd.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #312858 - 05/09/01 02:46 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

nushroomphlamer:
first of all, i have a randomly generated password and dont give a shit what name i use. after my computer was replaced, i stopped visiting shroomery, and my email changed, sue me.. i dont think this violates anyones morals, so stick that one.

second, learn to spell, or graduate already. this isnt 3rd grade.

third, i hate lists with two things in them. but seriously, i dont give a crap about saving the rainforest (that one word, since you know so much about it) by "us" i meant shroom farmers in general. why does this apply to just shroom farmers? if it doesnt, IT DOESNT BELONG HERE! so shut up already. i think i speak for all 26 of the smart people (JK) when i say, you have spouted garbage for so long that you reek and you are infested.

i have never PMed you, so quit lying. all that does is make you look more stupid. (this must not apply to me, so if not, sorry)

i know how to grow legally. i also know how to use a spell checker, but i find my brain works better than yours, so i dont need it much. try a little formula420 in one ear, might take out the resin that has solidified in your head.

you say mcman is "the most informed and intelligent (person) on this BB." you never said why.

sure, ok, be smart, dont post your name, address, and what you grow. dont post pictures of anything obvious that could identify your house or grow area. the mods should delete all posts that contain pictures of a persons face without it being fuzzed. but, you admit i am right. he is over paranoid. so why am i such a liar if you say my truth is fact?

i think you need to rethink your whole life. you must be about 16, you think you are hot shit, you think you grow nice shrooms. that doesnt make you god, or a saint, or a priest, or a good person. you can grow nice shrooms, love the rainforest and still suck as a person.

btw, leave max out of this, now i know why all my friends left before! cant even stand on your own...
dont bother to reply unless you want to keep discussing this seriously. but so far, you havent made one argument. just spouting BS about things you dont know.



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: magnusra]
    #312887 - 05/09/01 04:17 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, where is that Hawk? I would very much like to hear from him about his peote experience, or at least know that all the people buying from him are nice and safe. I am a paranoid bitch, yes I know, but why hasn't he posted here for a while???

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: whyIdied]
    #312899 - 05/09/01 04:42 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Well.. Ryche posted that he had peyote and where he was going to be and when. Then he disappered. I'm not trying to start any rumors. Just pointing out some observations.

CORRECTION: Ryche had returned, I was just unaware of it. Sorry Ryche!

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: dirtboy28]
    #312904 - 05/09/01 04:58 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

As for rainforest goes, they are the natural habitat of some small friends you and i know and like to grow. Colombian strain, Equador, Amazonian ,etc ,etc ... You might have a neutral position about this issue, but you can't put it aside from the shroom world.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: MAIA]
    #312914 - 05/09/01 05:16 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

yet another thread turned to shit by pointless bickering and 2000 word essays...

attacking mcman was totally unnecessary but LET IT GO next time. don't reply back with a fucking three page colored letter.

and bringing up the rainforest in a completly unrelated discussion is truly idiotic. i could casually mention starvation, AIDS, child prostitution, etc etc. it might make me look more sympathetic, but it wouldn't contribute to the discussion of shroom cultivation.



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: Dirtmaster]
    #312953 - 05/09/01 09:30 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)


nushroomPharmer,
The state cannot just say they have a narc without some creditably.He could of been a crack head just doing it to get his ass out of trouble.This is not going to look good for a jury trail.Narc's have to say were they personally saw drugs at.Were the guy puts it.This is all documented in the investigation.I already told you about physiology of a mushroom there are just to many speices of mushrooms to positively id.The state is going to put a mycologist on the stand, the defense will ask him if he can 100% say that it is a magic mushroom he will say no.They need physical evidence to send to the state labs!!Pics may as well start a investigation,but it is not probable cause to enter a house!!!!!!




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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: xoch]
    #312961 - 05/09/01 10:21 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Alright not to jump off topic, which just seems to be flames at this point anyway, but back to Ryche. He went on that peyote weekend came back for a few days, last post on 5/03, and then disappeared. I normally wouldn't really pay this much mind but I have an outstanding order and haven't gotten any replies to my emails yet. Should his customers be concerned (Especially about their safety)?

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: magnusra]
    #312971 - 05/09/01 10:51 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

no, i'd say ryche customers shouldn't be concerned if they are cultivating in an intelligent manner. first of all, purchasing spores is legal and i doubt that it is enough of an 'intent' to warrant further investigation.
but in case, all cultivators should be prepared the worst. have everything under control at all times, neat and easy to hide/dispose of. no need for random incriminating shit to be lying all around your room(pictures of big fatties, pictures of your setup, printed out grow teks...) if possible, don't cultivate where you reside or at the same address where you received the spores.
i would suggest replacing the spores that you use with other spores, either from other mushrooms or from ferns or something. put 'em back in the original packaging, keep them where they can be retrieved if the authorities ever do ask. say yep, here they are. i've got them, i have no intent to cultivate them, they're perfectly legal, see you later.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #313222 - 05/09/01 04:56 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Unreal.

When will people realize the spore vendors are not your friends. It's almost sick that people spend their time wondering where Ryche is. Ever think that he's got a life that doesn't involve spores, or better yet, that it's NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS??

It's just plain stupid to waste space on this BB wondering how spore dealers spend their free time. It's even more idiotic to believe that just because Ryche hasn't posted in a day or two that the federales flipped him or something. Get a fucking life, please. Personally, I don't know him, but I've never had any troubles studying clean, viable spores from T.H.E.

And ya know what, if someone thinks they're in danger by posting here, the solution is simple: don't fucking post here. I'm pretty sure the old timers leave here in droves because they're fucking sick of holding everyone's paranoid little hands. Not to mention, I'm sure most veterans here who've left did so because their love for their hobbies FAR outweighed their tolerance for bullshit - i.e. Gee, I wonder where Ryche has been. Boo hoo hoo.

Use your head, folks. If you post a picture of your shit eating grin next to your grow chamber, you run the risk. If you can't handle the pressure of not posting images with your ugly ass mugs, I suggest leaving this decent BB now.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #313225 - 05/09/01 04:58 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

well, your little indian protection doesnt work.

i know you think it does, but i ever find out what reserve you are on, i will narc you. the feds CAN come on your land and they CAN chop your shit down and take it.

you are the uninformed for thinking otherwise.
i dont care what specific laws state, i have actually seen a bust at a reservation. my dad is a police chief, dont tell me you think you are immune just because you didnt go to school.



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #313227 - 05/09/01 05:04 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

as for where you went to school... learning that my lack of capitals equates to a lack of self esteem... must have been on of those sally struthers mail order degrees you got. prolly for free, cause you like to scam. free land, free degree, why not? you dont have to work for anything. i hate capitals because i dont like the shift key. plain and simple.
if you were any kind of real psychologist you would know that analyzing me over the internet is retarded.
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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: Insomnia]
    #313232 - 05/09/01 05:09 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Get it all out Insomnia.



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: egghead]
    #313285 - 05/09/01 06:24 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Well insomnia if you are speaking to me, go piss off dick. You are an elitist prick. What were you thinking when you wrote that post? The reason I would like to know if he has been around is because I have an outstanding order you douche bag. What are you his fucking mother, than shut up.

And if you think this shouldn't be on this board you really are a naive fool with the mental capacity of a garden slug. I think this concerns anyone who has an order pending with him, or whoever might have placed an order not knowing there would be a problem. Some of us have cash just floating in the postal system right now. So I think it does concern this community.

You know what the only problem with this board is? Assholes like you who only get pleasure out of attacking other people. If you weren't such a dick you could see this from my side, you'd do the same if you had an order out there. I have wasted enough of my time on your antics. If you don't have anything intelligent or useful to say that don't post.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: magnusra]
    #313299 - 05/09/01 07:01 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

:( So much hostility.

I bet that the rediculous drug laws of the US could be changed if the users could work together instead of attack each other.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: dirtboy28]
    #313318 - 05/09/01 07:19 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

In reference to your 5/9-2:46am comment:
"i think i speak for all "26" of the smart people."
Go lead "them" back to the short bus. People like you make me sick. Half of who I am is the land/people that people like YOU exploit in order to have your fucking 2for2.22 burgers.
The other half is left w/ a stolen/raped land here. Do you have a soul? Then what? Only humans have souls because we know how to stay on top of the food chain? Sure I can act like a nut( BAM-here is where I cut off your "you are what you eat" response that I'm sure your anger would love to be able to manifest) but at least I'm trying to learn something. Even if you're shrooming for... what are you in it for? I'm sure in addition to the benefits to the medicial/spiritual community, the oxygen that some of us enjoy, the native cultures/knowledge,the "lesser(is that what you are calling them) souls", etc. that are found there, YOU could find something to "amuse" yourself with. Like making fun of the locals who will never be given the comforts we have on an equal, per capita, basis. Or, like you said, we would then have to pay 2 bucks for a hamburger.



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: Thor]
    #313334 - 05/09/01 07:52 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Ahhhhh... Deep breath...
Okay. Thor, before I wasted my time making people angry I wanted to ask you just how private is PM. I mean, if all these records are avilable to the authorities upon request are PMs included in that.Or is it impossible to open PM records(after they have been erased-we can assume) Also, if requested by them(not this them) would you permit and/or be forced to submit a member's "account" to be monitored w/out the member's knowledge. Not that I would ever have anything to hide.
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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: magnusra]
    #313376 - 05/09/01 08:41 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

magnusra: My post was not aimed at you directly. Instead, it was meant for people who behave that way. And in any case, I didn't notice anything about late orders and whatever. And guess what -- if you have a problem with late orders, the SPORE VENDOR FORUM is the place for that. Not cultivation. And if you do a search on my posts, you'll see that the earlier comments are really not my style. In fact, I have asked good questions here and given good answers to others. It's only when posts turn to absolute shit like this one do I get pissed. Honestly, you don't know me or really what I've posted here, so you can go suck your own dick.

And furthermore, why is it that you get fixated on your late order? If your pizza takes ten minutes more to arrive than you expected, do you go to the Papa John's Internet BB and post your little boo-hoos there? No! You fuckin' get patient and wait for the god damn pizza to come when it comes. Same for the spores. If you can't be a patient little high schooler and wait for the spores, I suggest you figure out how to make your own prints and syringes. I'm no elitist -- I'm here for fun. I just get sick of seeing the same boring shit all the time -- late orders this, spore vendors that. This forum is for cultivation. Most of my posts here represent that, sans this one and the one you responded so intelligently to. Do they teach you how to deal with people like that in the 10th grade?

So, bullshit. The whole community here is not affected by your perceived spore emergency. Listen, when you finally get your first mushrooms, save a cap and print it. That way your money won't be in the postal system. It'll be in your pocket, where it belongs.

Egghead: Thanks, man. It's all out in the open. ;)

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: Insomnia]
    #313467 - 05/09/01 10:46 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Alright I said I wouldn't comment but I lied. But unlike yourself I will not perpetuate this nonsense. I really do hate it when posts turn to this but you couldn't leave well enough alone. So please take what follows in the proper context, I do not want to fight about this only clear up some things. I do apologize for my very harsh post, although it was provoked there is no excuse for that. Anyway

My post was in no way a complaint about late orders. My order isn't even late, but when you don't get a confirmation or any response to the emails you sent to a vendor you start to worry. It wasn't a complaint just the motivation of the post. I'm sure you do have many good discussions here but the one in response to my post was quite hostile and completely unwarranted. And furthermore I can't see how you can say that the post was turning to shit. It was actually quite fine until you posted your comments, now we have this flame match. And your right I don't know you but you also don't know me, it IS a double standard.

I wasn't fixated on my late order, I didn't even mention it until your post, and only then so you could see my reasoning. As for the papa john's well how would you feel if you placed an order then called to see where it was and no one picked up? Although I must say papa johns was not the best choice for comparison. As I have said I was patient but worried because there was no response thats all.

And by the way the "High-schooler" assumption was a bit off-base there. I've been out of high-school quite some time and I honestly don't see how you came to that judgement. My posts are in no way juvenile or slanderous, and are for the most part intelligent and well worded (Except that last one).

And finally, I'm sorry but I have a big problem with the comment "Do they teach you how to deal with people like that in the 10th grade?". Dude COME ON you did the same shit to me, but out of the blue. Anyway now that that is cleared up, I hope we can start on a better foot now. Again I do apologize for my comments, it was a rough day at work and I wasn't putting much thought into it.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: magnusra]
    #313468 - 05/09/01 10:48 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Oh and by the way Ryche has contacted me and cleared everything up. He is a good business man, thats why the breach in communication had me worried.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #313596 - 05/10/01 12:57 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Damn, alot of sock puppets showed up in here....NuShroomPharmerII, I think the indians should take back what was stoled from them in the first place...I have studied alot about the rez, I live in a state with a few, I respect these people greatly, and NuShroomPharmerII is correct in what he say's so all you sock puppets who don't know shit....SHUT YER FUCKING MOUTHS!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: Taz]
    #313656 - 05/10/01 02:20 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

What does this thread have to do with cultivation?
Why hasn't it been locked or moved?

How does nuwshroomer hug trees in Calgary? Does he drive to BC to do it?

Is mcman a sockpuppet of ralphsters? He always seems to back him up.
Or is it the other way around?

And what about sporechix? I havn't heard from them in a while? Did they get busted? Are the narcs making out search warrents right now for 200 arrests of teenagers with jars of moldy rice flour?

This place is a joke and getting funnier every day!

See how I said so much with so few words? Some people should try it, it's called the 'nutshell' approach.


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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: ]
    #313662 - 05/10/01 02:35 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I second the motion for a movement...

BRB...

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: MNmyc]
    #313707 - 05/10/01 04:15 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

why not just close this thread?



and max, if you hate it here so much, i have a simple suggestion....get the fuck out.



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: Dirtmaster]
    #313873 - 05/10/01 12:12 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

What exactly is a sock puppet? In this context.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: them_26]
    #313896 - 05/10/01 12:46 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

"Ahhhhh... Deep breath...
Okay. Thor, before I wasted my time making people angry I wanted to ask you just how private is PM. I mean, if all these records are avilable to the authorities upon request are PMs included in that.Or is it impossible to open PM records(after they have been erased-we can assume) Also, if requested by them(not this them) would you permit and/or be forced to submit a member's "account" to be monitored w/out the member's knowledge. Not that I would ever have anything to hide.
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Sorry for the late reply, having some computer problems. The only way I would ever allow private information from this site to be available is by a court order or something like that.

If I ever was contacted by any authority I would fight them right away, NO WAY would I cooperate with the authorities. In fact I would announce any such inquiry by the authorities to the community and take legal counsel right away.

Believe me I am as concerned with the privacy issue as anybody else, I would not allow any private info out to any agency or individuals.

Hope that eases your worries.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #313991 - 05/10/01 03:04 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I think that every last person who posts on this board should be totally aware of the legal issues involved. If one person finds out something they didn't know, that possibly stops them from making a stupid mistake and ending up in prison, then this thread has proved invaluable. I thought all the dingleberries hung out around the assholes on the cannabis boards, but some seem to have found their way here. I would like to ask one thing, which has always puzzled me: If you don't like a thread why do you A) read it. All. B) REPLY to it?? Surely you would just, er, not read it. All of the petty censors make me heave. As does the whole reason there needs to be thread on the legal issues surrounding mushroom cultivation. We're are talking a civil rights abomination. Can you name one other victimless crime? We shouldn't have to find ways around laws like these. They should be unenforcable, but they aren't. If someone I knew was locked up for seven years for commiting a crime with no victim, I'd be pretty pissed off. Think about. The perpetrator of growing and taking mushrooms has hurt nobody, not even himself. Nobody has lost anything. The only thing to change is his perception. Now argue over whether we should discuss legal issues, you tits. We should be on the fucking streets demanding justice.



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #313992 - 05/10/01 03:04 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Not everybody here is a tit, by the way. Just all the ones who act like tits. They know who they are.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: Explorer]
    #314011 - 05/10/01 03:27 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

This thread belongs in General Discussion. There is nothing here about the actual cultivation of shrooms.

Simple as that.

and dirtmaster, you can suck it.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: ]
    #314045 - 05/10/01 04:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Capt.. just go ahead and move the thread where you want it.



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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: egghead]
    #314050 - 05/10/01 04:10 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Good points explorer. Again I am ashamed I behaved that way earlier but hey shit happens.

Now there is a big problem as I see it with the way this board is setup. There are just too many sub-topic forums that alot of useful information never gets read. Thats why whenever someone posts something they think is importanat it goes here because this is where all the people are. I see no problem with it being here. If it contained nothing but slander and other useless things then move it. Just my two cents, but I do see what u r saying Max, I just think you're a little to strict with it but hey thats your freedom of choice.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: magnusra]
    #314056 - 05/10/01 04:23 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

In a way, I agree with you, magnusra. And I'm glad we're able to squash our little thing earlier. This is the Internet. We can't take ourselves too seriously, ya know.

Anyway, not getting busted is most surely worthwhile info to post in cultivation, but only if it is actually relevant -- like here's how to conceal a chamber in your attic -- or something like that. I think a lot of people have a problem with this thread because it's dealing with issues that are totally up the air based on what state or country you live in, etc. So instead of just putting it simply and saying: Uh, don't post pics of your face next to your harvest -- total common sense -- some folks worry about every little last detail.

To put it bluntly, whether you're in Hawaii, New Mexico, Kentucky, or Vermont, Psilocybe mushrooms are still illegal to possess, cultivate, etc. As terrible, and unfortunate as that is, it's fact. Let's all accept it for what it is: a hobby that involves a schedule 1 substance.

And to be honest, I still think concerns about spore vendors -- any at all -- belong in the spore vendor forum. While whether so and so is a few days late or not impacts cultivation, I think that's stretching it a bit too far. Obviously, you can't cultivate without spores -- at least in this country -- living cultures are illegal.

Again, magnusra -- sorry about the aggro. It's just that people are so impatient around here when it comes to spores. I think customers have legit beefs with vendors ONLY AFTER they 1. follow the instructions on the Web site (i.e. Ryche asks for a heads-up e-mail) 2. e-mail and/or write the vendor if the delivery is more than 2 or 3 weeks late. After that, I say take the gloves off and make it public -- in the VENDOR forum.

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Re: Cultivation , The Shroomery and the Law [Re: NuShroomPharmerII]
    #314102 - 05/10/01 05:22 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Awesome, well Insomnia I must say although we had a little squabble you turned out to be quite a gentleman. And you are correct about that being in the vendor forum, thats where it should've been. And I did put a similar post there first, but didn't get any immediate responses and so I posted here. This too shows my impatients. Sorry, I was a little too quick on the draw this time. Although in my defense I at least handled the situation politely. I see alot of people who start saying the vendor ripped them off after a week.

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I agree but that is also the case everywhere in this world. Common sense seems to be diminishing by the day.

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    #314122 - 05/10/01 05:42 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

"common sense seems to be diminishing by the day." well we can all thank the Clinton/gore admin. for this, they said they would dumb down the population, seen the kids that come out of school lately? most can't even fill out a job app. SAD. just SAD.

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    #314352 - 05/10/01 11:02 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I said this thread could stay Max and it stays... This has everything to do with cultivation since many people don't read other forums much and this info is very important for this community..

Max I'm tired of you telling us what to do, you don't moderate and you know already that I said earlier this thread could stay.. Most people agree with this thread being here, so deal with it.

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    #314738 - 05/11/01 01:40 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

There, I've moved this thread myself.

It was on top of the table, now it's in the bathroom.

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    #314841 - 05/11/01 03:28 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Hey Thor,
I appreciate your feedback. I was just wondering about what NuShroomerPharmer said concerning the host being served. If so, is the host legally binded to serve you a notification of the investigation. I'm sure you would do everything in your power to fight against such action and am aware of the fact that there are loopholes in the law. This being recoginized, I was also wondering if you would be able to post the "written" contract,(personal information deleted - of course) between The Shroomery and the host. That would give us a more detailed understanding of what the limitations surrounding our rights are. I'm sure you'll agree that this is a little more in depth,though no more/less important, than some common sense issues, such as a portriat of yourself next to your shroom.
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    #315578 - 05/12/01 12:01 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

nushroom,
Look ever case has too many varibles to say every bust happens the same.You said "and seizures don't go to trial unless you put up a bond" Wrong you can go to trial on any case that is an option of the person.I have had 2 friends get busted in the past 6 years for shrooms they both got a felony out of it.You say your girlfriend told on you for cultivation of mj and selling.Well then you should have a manufacturing of a cds on your record?They must do things different on the rez then what they do on the outside.Also you can not grow weed or mushrooms legally i don't care were you are native americans are only aloud to use peyote legally.Did you not read about what the feds did on the pine ridge rez?They claim that they are aloud to grow hemp because of some treaty of something, well they planted hemp any way the feds came down chopped the plants.It is in litigation now.Can you post were on the books it says on your rez you are aloud to grow shrooms and weed?I will tell ever one how a typical case goes when it comes to mushrooms.And yes i do know from almost first hand experience.They serve you with the search warrent.Let's say you have in the house 5 colonized jars a tank to grow them in and about 15 grams dry,bong and a gram of weed.They take you to the commissioners office at which point you bond will be set you will be charged: maufacturing a cds to wit:psilocybin,poss.with.intention of a cds, paraphernalia,poss of mj.Your bond more then like will be set high.The next morning you go infront of the judge in district court more then like it stays the same.They set your preliminary hearing that day.This hearing is to see if the judge feels there is enough evidence against you to go further.The day comes they find there is enough evindence so. Then you wait for a notice for the judge to issue a warrent to move your case to the higher court which is called circuit court.
The process begins again you go to see if your bond will be reduced then comes preliminary hearing.After this they have motions before this time your lawyer will request to view all evindence against you.At motions all the evindence that is shown is all that can be shown to the jury.At motions the states offers some deal more then likely some bullshit deal.So they set a trial date you and your lawyer are hopeing
they call before to offer an other deal if not then the lawyer calls them.In this case the state offered her to pled guilty to manufact.they would drop ever thing else and recommend 9 months.I know alot of you are probably thinging 15 grams is not poss w/int.But the state can do this on purpose to get a felony conviction.They told her that 15 grams was more then personal use and that just having those mushrooms and books on it said it all about the manufact charge sticking.Yes in front of the jury they might of looked at it as personal but she would of still been found gulity of that and the other two lesser charges.So she took it.When the state says it will recommed 9 months the jugde is not bound to it.For manufact i dont care what state you are in you are faceing years so what he does is give you for example 4 years suspend all
but what the state recommeds.You will always get probation out of it for a few years.and he keeps a few years over your head so if you fuck up you will go back.It boils down to just be carful about things.She got busted because of a boyfriend that was stupid.My other friend got busted cuz he sold fresh ones and that is a no no.So it does not matter the size of your set up you will still be facing a felony.No matter how they enter your house.





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    #316101 - 05/13/01 07:14 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

NuShroomPharmerII: I was away for a day or two. To respond to your earlier post, I'd have to agree with you 100% that more folks in this community and other ones, especially high profile MJ forums, should always exercise common sense, but sometimes do not.

Also, I checked out fear.org. Weird stuff. But as a journalist, the whole thing was hard to accept. Too much editorialization from the people at fear.org in the stories, etc. It just seems a bit over the top. But I do believe that ugly things happen all too often. Either way, there are menas of expressing anger and resentment in an objective way. Some of that shit is really scary.

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    #333591 - 06/04/01 01:18 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

"MNmyc,

Sorry, you shouldn't second this to be moved you should read it throughly. If you truly are a Landlord you've set yourself to get raided by bragging about it here."

I don't know how to quote properly, sorry. And raided? What would they seize?

My Chonies?! This site didn't buy me anything. Apparently some of you are more commercially inclined than I am with my hobbies, as is evidenced by your guilty conscience.

How about my big fat mortgage? My bank would have huge issues with an assumption by an entity that intended to keep the proceeds of a sale. And I highly doubt that the local pol. yocals are even inclined to maintain it as the desperately needed affordable housing that it is.

It would be an ugly media mess.

The 'Movement' I was referring to was a bowel movement. I guess that's why I took this long to respond. I'll let ya'll know how the raid turns out... &?-><~


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    #333850 - 06/04/01 09:21 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

I agree, and have a friend who was the victim of an asset seizure. My circumstances are such that my bank would rather see me pay them the mortgage amount rather than get nothing. There is no equity to seize.

I pay my mortgage by the schedule, the bank gets 150% of the original principal. The DEA sells it, the bank gets what they already got plus the payoff amount, the DEA gets nothing, because there is no money left by the time they get their hands on it. They have more lucrative prospects than me... I hope.

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    #333868 - 06/04/01 09:53 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

Is there any way to find out what the per state penalties are for posession? Hightimes has the info re: marijuana, but not shrooms.

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    #333911 - 06/04/01 11:15 AM (19 years, 9 months ago)

This is info I received from hightimes. It is a long read but well worth it for anyone wanting to protect themselves.

KNOW AND EXERCISE YOUR RIGHTS
Rights are like muscles--if they are not exercised, they wither away. Whether or not someone is guilty of a crime, there are certain rights that should always be firmly asserted.
The Fourth Amendment to the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution states:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
The Fifth Amendment reads, in part:
"No person shall be ... compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law. ...
These amendments provide the foundation for the rights that protect all U.S. citizens from intrusive law enforcement practices. Several rules of thumb have been derived through which law enforcement can be most effectively handled. These rights should be exercised by everyone in all circumstances, regardless of whether or not an individual is guilty of a crime:

Never leave anything in "plain view": Although law enforcement officers must obtain a warrant before they can conduct a privacy-invading search, any illicit material that can be plainly seen by any person from a non-intrusive vantage point is subject to confiscation. An arrest and a valid warrant to search the rest of the area is likely to ensue.
A "roach" in the ashtray, a pipe or baggie on the dashboard or coffee table, or a joint being smoked in public are common mistakes which all-too-frequently lead to arrests.


Never put anything incriminating into the trash: Various courts have ruled that law enforcement officers are allowed to rummage through curbside trash bags without a warrant. A few seeds or stems can then be used as a basis for obtaining a warrant to search the individual's home.
In fact, anything discarded into the public domain can be picked up by the police and used as evidence. For example, if an individual throws an illicit substance out of his or her car window and a police officer sees it and picks it up, the person is almost certain to be arrested.


NEVER CONSENT TO A SEARCH: Most individuals arrested on marijuana charges could have avoided the arrest by exercising their Fourth Amendment rights. If a law enforcement officer asks permission to search, it is usually because: (1) there is not enough evidence to obtain a search warrant; or (2) the officer does not feel like going through the hassle of obtaining a warrant.
Law enforcement officers are trained to intimidate people into consenting to searches. If an individual does consent, the officer can--and will--conduct the search without a warrant. If the officer finds any contraband, the person will be arrested. Moreover, the validity of the evidence will almost definitely hold up in court because consenting to a search essentially amounts to handing the evidence to the officer and saying, "Here it is--arrest me."

If an individual does not consent, the officer must either release the person or detain the person and attempt to get a warrant. The fact that an individual refuses to consent does not give the officer grounds to obtain a warrant. The individual should politely say:

"I do not consent to a search of my person, belongings, home, or vehicle. I retain my Fourth Amendment rights and all other rights under the United States Constitution. I will say nothing until my attorney is present."

If the officer conducts a search anyway--without a warrant--any contraband will likely be declared invalid evidence by the judge, and any charges will probably be dropped. If the officer does attempt to get a warrant and is successful in doing so, any contraband discovered may still be excluded as evidence if the individual's lawyer can convince the judge that the warrant itself was invalid--which, in many cases, it is.

No matter what a law enforcement officer threatens or promises, it is always better to refuse to consent to a search.


Loose lips sink ships: Whether arrested or not, individuals should always exercise the right to remain silent. Anything a person says to law enforcement officers, reporters, cellmates, or even their friends can--and probably will--be used as evidence against them.
Individuals have the right to have an attorney present during questioning. Only a qualified attorney can ensure that the suspect or defendant does not say anything damaging. The right to remain silent should always be exercised; three hypothetical examples follow:


Cop: "Is this your pipe?"
Joe Citizen: "My attorney advised me to remain silent unless she is present."


Cop: "If I look in your trunk, I'm not going to find any drugs?"
Jane Citizen: "I do not consent to a search of my trunk, and I'd rather not answer any questions without an attorney present."


Cop [during search of apartment--with a warrant--upon discovering and examining a tiny bag of leaves and stems]: "Looks like a couple pounds of good bud here ... too bad. You can do some serious time in the state slammer for this."
John Citizen: [says nothing at all]

Do not stick around any longer than is required: From the time a law enforcement officer approaches, it is wise to remain calm and not arouse suspicion. Nevertheless, individuals should always find out if the officer requires them to stay; if not, they should explain that they are in a hurry, then leave.
Law enforcement officers are trained to create the impression that their suspects are obliged to stay. Individuals being questioned by an officer should simply say:

"Am I under arrest or otherwise detained? If not, I really need to get going. Have a nice day."


Do not be hostile; do not physically resist: Some law enforcement officers do not care about citizens' rights; sometimes, the suspect is caught red-handed; other times, there are special-case qualifiers to certain rights, or there are loopholes beyond the scope of discussion in this publication. In any case, there are times when individuals politely assert their rights and refuse to talk or give consent, but the officers disregard their wishes and proceed to detain, search, or arrest them.
In such cases, it is important to keep in mind that law enforcement officers have clubs, mace, handcuffs, guns, back-up, and usually the trust of the court. Aggression against the officers can make matters far worse. This does not mean that individuals facing such circumstances should give up all rights. Sometimes it is best to simply say, "Do what you feel you must; I will not physically resist. However, I do not consent to this."


Do not be a snitch: The police and prosecutors often try to pressure individuals into providing information that would lead to the arrest and conviction of others. Sometimes a person's own defense attorney will even encourage him or her to comply!
A wise marijuana consumer will avoid the issue entirely by reducing the possibility of apprehension by knowing his or her rights. However, prudent marijuana consumers will keep in mind that the possibility of arrest always exists. They remember the adage: "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

Threats and promises by police and prosecutors should be viewed with caution and skepticism. Decisions should only be made after consulting with an attorney and examining one's own conscience.

Saving one's self by pointing the finger at others is the most cowardly thing a person can do. There is no justification for being a traitor in the War Against Marijuana Consumers.








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    #334250 - 06/04/01 06:53 PM (19 years, 9 months ago)

The story of my friend (and it really isn't me) goes like this...

Bought that month's stash, went to bar. (He's been told how dumb that was already) Left bar and got into an argument with a friend of his in the bar's parking lot. Local authority figure observing development then proceeds to approach and more closely scrutinize the situation. Friend gets DWI and possession charges (1/4 lb mj). Totally guilty and convicted.

County likes the idea of selling his car since it was only 2 years old and they have that nifty new law on the books that says the sherrif is OBLIGATED to do just that. But before they get their ducks in a row, the vehicle is totalled. Insurance begrudgingly prepares to pay someone for the covered car.

Now here's where you assume that the county gets the check. Except that it didn't work out that way.

The bank was a secured party that had no control over his actions. And was fully entitled, as owner of collateral, to any insurance proceeds up to the amount of loan payoff. Which left the county emptyhanded and my friend with no car and $1500 left to pay after the insurance paid. County whined, judge said Waah, go away.

Bankruptcy would clear that whole house thing right up. And I bet my mortgage company has some pricey lawyers that could argue the dea don't get shit until their liabilities are satisfied.

Some time ago, the local paper ran an interview with some key figures regarding that whole seizure thing. Seems that the government can't make a dollar without spending two. The problem was that it cost more to sell the seized assets than they were worth. Even though they were acquired for free (i.e. STOLEN). Granted this is only on a statewide scale.

So I'll stick to my original comment. I figure that something else will get me before this innocent information exhange will. If we are so dangerous and skillfully prolific in our cultivaton, then why is there not any around on the street corners? I figure that it's because the mature crowd around here isn't the type to of cat that would do like the CIA did with crack. And I don't know many teens that are smart enough to actually make a racket out of this hobby.

I guess we all have some angle...

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*Without bumping this, I just want to say that I defer to the idea that one can't be too safe. And I get the impression from the post below that we can all assume that would be in a case of financial gain ('taxes' and therefore tax fraud due to unreported income, poor Al).

I hope that is not the impression that you have of me. I pay all my taxes, and work hard too. I, nor anyone I know, gets any more gain from this forum than the pleasure of interaction with like-minded people. Who, without this forum, would be alienated from each other.

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