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OfflineSkikid16
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Bush must have money trees
    #3110787 - 09/09/04 12:20 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, lets look at this

Lower tax revenues (Bush's tax cuts) and increased spending (4 billion dollar budget surplus in Clinton's last year to a current 4 billion (liberal estimate, its closer to 5 billion if you factor in social security) dollar budget deficeit)

How the fuck are we going to pay for this?


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Skikid16]
    #3110815 - 09/09/04 12:26 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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How the fuck are we going to pay for this?



More tax cuts, silly.


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Skikid16]
    #3110824 - 09/09/04 12:27 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Cut social services.  :satansmoking:


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: DieCommie]
    #3110837 - 09/09/04 12:29 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Cut social services.  :satansmoking:



Which neither major party candidate is willing to do.  Vote Libertarian.


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Skikid16]
    #3111088 - 09/09/04 01:06 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry Skikid, but in fact the federal government's tax revenues have increased. That's the reason why the projected deficit for this year has already been revised downwards twice since the first estimate.

However, there is no denying that it would be nice to see government spending cut back as well.

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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Phred]
    #3111576 - 09/09/04 02:26 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

we also have a 7.3 TRILLON dollar national debt. how will we pay that?
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Phred]
    #3111657 - 09/09/04 02:43 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Pinky, I request that you back up your claim that tax revenues have increased.

I am looking for information that backs my claim that tax revenue has decreased, and I hope I can find it, but I'm not the greatest info sleuth, I must admit.

My claims of lower tax revenue was from Bush's tax cuts are logical conjecture, but so is your claim that lowered taxes will increase taxable revenue due to increased business. Both are conjecture without proof, so please, I ask you, help shed some quantifiable light on this subject.

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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Skikid16]
    #3111758 - 09/09/04 03:05 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

OK, so I'm tired of GOOGLE searching, its rediculously hard to find info when you need it.....

So.....I'm asking someone, anyone find the comparison between 2002 tax revenue and 2003 tax revenue..

I, and this thread, would surely appreciate and benefit from it.

Thank you so very much.


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Skikid16]
    #3111947 - 09/09/04 03:43 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

This might be a good place to start... here


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Rono]
    #3112005 - 09/09/04 03:53 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks man, you're the man.

Now I just have to wade through this crap, and considering I'm about to head to bed, it will wait until tomorrow


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Skikid16]
    #3112273 - 09/09/04 05:29 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Here some info that goes back a ways and is broken down quartily.
http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/data.exe/nipa/T3t2l3q

I think that might be what your looking for.


Edited by hound (09/09/04 05:33 AM)


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Skikid16]
    #3112297 - 09/09/04 05:36 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

And by the way, I don't think tax cuts ever cause defecits, just uncontrolled spending.


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Skikid16]
    #3112342 - 09/09/04 06:02 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

easy, you are going to pay for it,

with money that isn't worth what it's supposed to be worth in the first place.


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Skikid16]
    #3112933 - 09/09/04 12:17 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, I won't be able to back up my claims right now without spending time I don't have looking for the evidence...but I'm going to throw this out there anyway in the hopes that some of you will have heard about this.

There are sectors in our society (namely the very rich) who are pursuing this goal of purposely bankrupting the United States with the intent of eliminating all (or many) of our social services (and probably privatizing the remaining services).

Bill Moyers gave a speach for a convention on inequality where he laid out the (assumed) facts about this.


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Skikid16]
    #3112973 - 09/09/04 12:29 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Here's a bit from Bill Moyers' speach from the 'Inequality Matters Forum' NYU June 3, 2004...

"These deficits have been part of their strategy. Some of you will remember that Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan tried to warn us 20 years ago, when he predicted that President Ronald Reagan's real strategy was to force the government to cut domestic social programs by fostering federal deficits of historic dimensions. Reagan's own budget director, David Stockman, admitted as such. Now the leading rightwing political strategist, Grover Norquist, says the goal is to "starve the beast" -- with trillions of dollars in deficits resulting from trillions of dollars in tax cuts, until the United States Government is so anemic and anorexic it can be drowned in the bathtub.

There's no question about it: The corporate conservatives and their allies in the political and religious right are achieving a vast transformation of American life that only they understand because they are its advocates, its architects, and its beneficiaries. In creating the greatest economic inequality in the advanced world, they have saddled our nation, our states, and our cities and counties with structural deficits that will last until our children's children are ready for retirement, and they are systematically stripping government of all its functions except rewarding the rich and waging war."


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: hound]
    #3114147 - 09/09/04 04:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hound,

I'm not sure how to interpret the site you gave, but if it is what it says it is, it looks like tax revenue has decreased....

2000 01 975.4
2000 02 987.4
2000 03 1011.7
2000 04 1021.7
2001 01 1047.3
2001 02 1045.7
2001 03 881.0
2001 04 1004.1
2002 01 846.9
2002 02 835.6
2002 03 824.4
2002 04 817.7
2003 01 809.6
2003 02 811.6
2003 03 709.2
2003 04 772.5
2004 01 768.3
2004 02 779.7


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: kaiowas]
    #3114164 - 09/09/04 04:45 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

kaiowas said:
easy, you are going to pay for it,

with money that isn't worth what it's supposed to be worth in the first place.


Wait, yup there's the hammer in your hand, oh wait, there's a hit, yup right on the nail's head.


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Phred]
    #3114167 - 09/09/04 04:47 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Pinky,

Although I still have not found conclusive evidence either way of the increase or decrease in tax revenue, the fact of the matter is, when clinton left office, we had a budget SURPLUS, now with the so called "conservatives" (hahahahah) in office, we have a budget DEFICET.


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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: Skikid16]
    #3114737 - 09/09/04 06:48 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Bush must have money trees [Re: afoaf]
    #3114906 - 09/09/04 07:26 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

AHAHAHAHA, that was the best impersonation of the RNC I've heard.


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