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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
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Not everyone can be bought.
For everyone else.. there's mastercard.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
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Being "bought" is doing something for money that just goes against your moral fiber. Another might have no compunctions because their fiber runs a different way and the act may seem harmless. As for myself I have never condemned anyone for trying to survive, and many choose to be prostitutes for what they feel are sheer survival reasons.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Swami]
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Swami]
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3121366 - 09/11/04 03:14 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: Being "bought" is doing something for money that just goes against your moral fiber. Another might have no compunctions because their fiber runs a different way and the act may seem harmless. As for myself I have never condemned anyone for trying to survive, and many choose to be prostitutes for what they feel are sheer survival reasons.
I would have to agree with you. Even though it goes against my moral fiber to sell my body for sex, I have no problem with someone else doing the same.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: deafpanda]
#3121784 - 09/11/04 09:52 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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A quartz crystal can be 'shaped' or refined to the point where its vibrations can be used to manifest order in terms of interval, that is time-measurement. The atomic vibration is present in a crude crystal, but it must be formed properly in order to manifest itself in the mechanism of a watch. Similarly, a human being is 'formed' to manifest psychic [soulful] and spiritual attributes. However, I'll continue this thought with Frog.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
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Dear Frog, When I first decided to block out all other data except the Biblical writings as sources of insight, I assumed not only the Androcentric attitude that you have, but the attendant arrogance of humans with regard to animal life. I too took that attitude about the loveless, spiritless nature of animals - justification for their oppression, inhumane agrifarming practices and methods of butchering. Then, gradually through reading, stories from others and personal experience, I learned differently. The Old Testament was not only Androcentric [Man-centered], it was Patriarchal [Male-centered] and Ethnocentric - about the Hebrews and nobody else. The adjustment and equilibrium established by Jesus was quickly eliminated by the new Church's assumption of Hebrew attitudes. I've seen a film of a rhinocerus come out of a clearing to a river bank where there lay a drowned, near-dead antelope of some kind. The rhino nudged the creature gently, opened its mouth over the face of the animal and began huffing on it. Damned if the animal didn't revive and get to its feet! The rhino left. A gorilla gently attends to a human child who has fallen into its zoo home until he can be recovered. Ever hear of wild bottlenose dolphins who have been saving drowning saliors since time immemorial? Legends of Mermaids and Mermen have connection here. Dolphins are amorous and make sexual advances to human swimmers. Dogs will sometimes pine away and die when their 'Master' has died, and a d-o-g, the reversal of G-o-d is anything but demonic. How many times have canines saved their 'Master's' lives, giving their own in the process? My dog Ben cried when I did. When I divorced, got cancer and had my mother die, all in a close time-frame, Ben was the only one there for me. He burrowed (a mini Dachshund) under the bedcovers every night and came up with his head on the other pillow. I'd say [as pathetic as it might sound today] "Give me a kiss goodnight," and he'd pick up his head and give a quick, neat lick on my cheek. That is why I had a granite headstone made for him when I buried him in my backyard after 14 years and three months of companionship. Ben evidenced intelligence at times that can only be described as 'primate-like' which I will not even go into now. Pretty impressive things for a creature with a golf-ball sized brain (AS IF this organ necessarily determines the transmission of Consciousness). I've rethought my position on this to the point that when I buried Ben by the light of a gas-mantle lamp on a dark January evening (it took work to get through coral reef unde thin Florida soil), I prayed to GOD that if there be a 'dog house' among His 'many mansions,' that it be a fine one! No, that's not mentioned in the Bible. Neither is Jesus' Bar Mitzvah mentioned, but one can be certain that He had one. Whether Jesus was married is not mentioned either, but unmarried men were never allowed to speak openly in the Temple, so one can make a fair assumption about THIS unmentioned probability as well. I am no longer a vegetarian, but I humbly thank the creature whose life was taken to feed me, and we buy only free-range chickens and beef as a slight concession to them. The immanence of GOD suffuses all of creation, animate or not. Do you think the visions of Ezekiel or John for that matter have no relevance to this by their inclusion of animal forms in theophanies of GOD? The blood sacrifices were and ARE (in the Muslim world) terrible! Why, because animals, Mammals are sentient! They KNOW, they Fear, they cry for mercy and struggle to be free. They also embody GOD. Just like sex, the creation of life, or the utilization of the life-sex spirit, death is it's dual correlate. I just told a possibly pregnant 90 pound girl yesterday that if she is prepared to give life, she has to be equally prepared to take it, with regard to the give birth or terminate the pregnancy choice. Did you know that both male and female Temple prostitutes were present in King Solomon's Temple? Do you recall how many wives and concubines Solomon had? The Bible holds the Wisdom of Solomon (not the book by that title) above all others until Jesus, and the legends about his command of demons in the building of the Temple abound (no metal tools were supposed to be used to cut the stone). Not only was the Chrub-covered Ark of the Covenant present, but huge Cherubim whose wing-spans (feathered bird-like, 'animal' wings like those on depictions of Isis or Assyrian sphinx) measured 30 feet long were in the Temple - Yahweh AND Asherah (Yahweh's 'Consort' or Wife - see Rafael Patai's The Hebrew Goddess ). These also have been buried in the post-Temple traditions of Judaism and in time. Today's one-sided regard for sexuality is an amputated form of the duality of Male-Female GOD, with Maleness oppressing Femininity, attributing sexuality to the Terrible Feminine (e.g., Lilith the demoness who steals the souls of newborns). Ever notice the English spelling of Solomon is easily made 'Sol-moon'? thereby depicting the most obvious duality in nature - the spheres that rule day and night, light and dark? I apologize for the tangent(s), sex and death, humans and animals, us and them, male and female, GOD-GODDESS but most of humanity seems to be 'blind in one eye.'
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
Edited by MarkostheGnostic (09/11/04 01:01 PM)
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This was not directed at me, but since it is public I will comment. I agree completely and am once again stunned by your impressive command of the language. That was beautiful.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
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Selling sex for money isn't wrong. What's wrong is a society that makes that the only viable option from some women. A society that commodifies and objectifies women, and makes it impossible to live without selling ones body, mind, spirit in some way or another is wrong, whether whats being sold is sex or anything else.
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Wow, Markos... very good. Sometimes the only reason I click on any thread here in S&P is to read your posts... Beautiful indeed.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#3122331 - 09/11/04 12:51 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Making love is what my girlfriend does while I'm fucking her."
- ancient Chinese proverb, err tshirt slogan
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Thanks. I'm probably just a frustrated wrier who doesn't want to try again to get published. Glad that some people enjoy my writing style.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3122352 - 09/11/04 12:57 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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D'Oh! I have difficulty taking compliments because I'm on guard against feelings of self-satisfaction or pride sneaking in to corrupt a humble "thank you." But thank you nevertheless.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
#3123027 - 09/11/04 05:05 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Frog said: But! We have spirits and souls. That makes us different from animals, and puts us a step above.
And here we have a problem because I don't believe in the existance of the human soul or spirit as anything more than ones own self awareness and the need to feel separate from the physical body that is mortal. Therefore, people make up the idea that there must be a soul in order for their immortallity to be affirmed. In short, we all want to live forever.
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Frog said: That would be a good point except for what God said: No sex outside of marriage.
Since I believe that it is impossible to prove that something absolutely doesn't exist, because that would mean that all things are known, you need to prove to me that there is a god. Otherwise, it's not what god said, it's just what some man from antiquity wrote down and called god's word.
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First, I am with the others in complimenting you on your thoughts. Beautifully written, and very persuasive. But I also have some comments.
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MarkostheGnostic said: When I first decided to block out all other data except the Biblical writings as sources of insight, I assumed not only the Androcentric attitude that you have, but the attendant arrogance of humans with regard to animal life. I too took that attitude about the loveless, spiritless nature of animals - justification for their oppression, inhumane agrifarming practices and methods of butchering.
"Androcentric: Centered or focused on men, often to the neglect or exclusion of women: an androcentric view of history; an androcentric health-care system." How am I androcentric? I don't think animals are love-less. I just think that they lack spirits. But you could be right. That's why I said you were persuasive. I've not thought about it like that. And I don't think it's a form of arrogance. I love animals. We used to have a cow and a bull that we raised when I was young. We had to keep them way far away from the house so that we didn't make friends with them, because how then could we kill them? I am just looking at things for the way they are, and yes, I think that humans are superior to animals. If that's arrogant, so be it. Just a fact, imo. Assuming that you are right, that animals have a soul or spirit, I still think that humans are superior to animals. And now I will have to do some reading on this. You have caused me to think you might be right, but I am not completely persuaded. I wish MM was still here.
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Then, gradually through reading, stories from others and personal experience, I learned differently. The Old Testament was not only Androcentric [Man-centered], it was Patriarchal [Male-centered] and Ethnocentric - about the Hebrews and nobody else. The adjustment and equilibrium established by Jesus was quickly eliminated by the new Church's assumption of Hebrew attitudes.
You are correct, but as to the bible being about the Hebrews and nobody else, I don't think that is completely accurate. Yes, the society at the time, maybe, but this is what Jesus came to change. He came not only to redeem people, but to also bring the Gentiles into the loop.
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I've seen a film of a rhinocerus come out of a clearing to a river bank where there lay a drowned, near-dead antelope of some kind. The rhino nudged the creature gently, opened its mouth over the face of the animal and began huffing on it. Damned if the animal didn't revive and get to its feet! The rhino left. A gorilla gently attends to a human child who has fallen into its zoo home until he can be recovered. Ever hear of wild bottlenose dolphins who have been saving drowning saliors since time immemorial? Legends of Mermaids and Mermen have connection here. Dolphins are amorous and make sexual advances to human swimmers. Dogs will sometimes pine away and die when their 'Master' has died, and a d-o-g, the reversal of G-o-d is anything but demonic. How many times have canines saved their 'Master's' lives, giving their own in the process? My dog Ben cried when I did. When I divorced, got cancer and had my mother die, all in a close time-frame, Ben was the only one there for me. He burrowed (a mini Dachshund) under the bedcovers every night and came up with his head on the other pillow. I'd say [as pathetic as it might sound today] "Give me a kiss goodnight," and he'd pick up his head and give a quick, neat lick on my cheek. That is why I had a granite headstone made for him when I buried him in my backyard after 14 years and three months of companionship. Ben evidenced intelligence at times that can only be described as 'primate-like' which I will not even go into now. Pretty impressive things for a creature with a golf-ball sized brain (AS IF this organ necessarily determines the transmission of Consciousness). I've rethought my position on this to the point that when I buried Ben by the light of a gas-mantle lamp on a dark January evening (it took work to get through coral reef unde thin Florida soil), I prayed to GOD that if there be a 'dog house' among His 'many mansions,' that it be a fine one! No, that's not mentioned in the Bible.
All of the above was probably the best of all that you wrote.
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Neither is Jesus' Bar Mitzvah mentioned, but one can be certain that He had one. Whether Jesus was married is not mentioned either, but unmarried men were never allowed to speak openly in the Temple, so one can make a fair assumption about THIS unmentioned probability as well.
Good points, and again, I'm going to have to do more research on this, as to animal souls.
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I am no longer a vegetarian, but I humbly thank the creature whose life was taken to feed me, and we buy only free-range chickens and beef as a slight concession to them. The immanence of GOD suffuses all of creation, animate or not. Do you think the visions of Ezekiel or John for that matter have no relevance to this by their inclusion of animal forms in theophanies of GOD? The blood sacrifices were and ARE (in the Muslim world) terrible! Why, because animals, Mammals are sentient! They KNOW, they Fear, they cry for mercy and struggle to be free. They also embody GOD.
Well, the bible, which I realize was written by man, states in Genesis that God made animals and the world and infused it with light, etc. Then, God made man in His image. Therefore, God did not make animals in His image, or it would have said, "God made man and animals in His image." And I don't think God has a physical form like we do, so when the bible says we were made in His image, I believe the image referred to is the spirit.
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Just like sex, the creation of life, or the utilization of the life-sex spirit, death is it's dual correlate. I just told a possibly pregnant 90 pound girl yesterday that if she is prepared to give life, she has to be equally prepared to take it, with regard to the give birth or terminate the pregnancy choice.
Why does one who is able to give life have to be prepared to take it?
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Did you know that both male and female Temple prostitutes were present in King Solomon's Temple? Do you recall how many wives and concubines Solomon had? The Bible holds the Wisdom of Solomon (not the book by that title) above all others until Jesus, and the legends about his command of demons in the building of the Temple abound (no metal tools were supposed to be used to cut the stone). Not only was the Chrub-covered Ark of the Covenant present, but huge Cherubim whose wing-spans (feathered bird-like, 'animal' wings like those on depictions of Isis or Assyrian sphinx) measured 30 feet long were in the Temple - Yahweh AND Asherah (Yahweh's 'Consort' or Wife - see Rafael Patai's The Hebrew Goddess ). These also have been buried in the post-Temple traditions of Judaism and in time. Today's one-sided regard for sexuality is an amputated form of the duality of Male-Female GOD, with Maleness oppressing Femininity, attributing sexuality to the Terrible Feminine (e.g., Lilith the demoness who steals the souls of newborns). Ever notice the English spelling of Solomon is easily made 'Sol-moon'? thereby depicting the most obvious duality in nature - the spheres that rule day and night, light and dark?
Jesus told Mary Magdalen, the prostitute, to turn away from her life style.
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I apologize for the tangent(s), sex and death, humans and animals, us and them, male and female, GOD-GODDESS but most of humanity seems to be 'blind in one eye.'
I don't think you should apologize when you share something so beautiful with all of us, even if I disagree with some of it. Thank you.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#3123111 - 09/11/04 05:38 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said: Selling sex for money isn't wrong. What's wrong is a society that makes that the only viable option from some women. A society that commodifies and objectifies women, and makes it impossible to live without selling ones body, mind, spirit in some way or another is wrong, whether whats being sold is sex or anything else.
In what society does this exist, currently? I am assuming that when you say "whether whats being sold is sex or anything else" that you are really referring just to sex, right? Or what does "anything else" include?
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Ekstaza]
#3123135 - 09/11/04 05:46 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Frog said: But! We have spirits and souls. That makes us different from animals, and puts us a step above.
And here we have a problem because I don't believe in the existance of the human soul or spirit as anything more than ones own self awareness and the need to feel separate from the physical body that is mortal. Therefore, people make up the idea that there must be a soul in order for their immortallity to be affirmed. In short, we all want to live forever.
It's true, though, for me. I am going to live forever, even though this physical body will perish.
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Since I believe that it is impossible to prove that something absolutely doesn't exist, because that would mean that all things are known, you need to prove to me that there is a god. Otherwise, it's not what god said, it's just what some man from antiquity wrote down and called god's word.
I can't prove that God exists. One of the things about being a Christian is accepting on faith that God exists. That's what gets us into heaven is believing, based on faith alone, even though we have no actual proof.
Therefore, I imagine that this discussion, as between you and I, is over.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
#3123164 - 09/11/04 05:58 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Frog said: It's true, though, for me. I am going to live forever, even though this physical body will perish.
That sure would be nice, wouldn't it? Too bad you don't know that for certain.
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I can't prove that God exists. One of the things about being a Christian is accepting on faith that God exists. That's what gets us into heaven is believing, based on faith alone, even though we have no actual proof.
Seems to me that for most people that's more about self-assurance and wishful thinking than it is about getting into heaven. It must feel nice to think you have this life figured out.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
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Any woman who turns down cash for sex when offered and don't take it is only being stupid. Just don't tell anyone silly. Every woman I have dated expects me to buy and pay for all kinds of shit even if she has no plans on being my wife. Women in all points in history treat men like this. And if any women say diff than she is a liar. So you should take the cash and give up the asshole. Be honest to yourself and take what you want. You want it. Women take trades all the time for sex. How many of you have dated a guy just because of what he has????? HUm.... Yep and at some point there is a mercey fuck or two right??? SAME AS SELLING YOUR ASSHOLE. ALL PEOPLE MEN AND WOMEN sell thier bodies. GET REAL!!! Sell that ass girl, take them for a ride. Try and make a squeeze play. Make them play from your hands. Make them boys pay out the ass...er.. your ass. Ever seen the movie, EVITA??? Samething
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
#3123242 - 09/11/04 06:23 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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"I still think that humans are superior to animals."
We are only animals ourselves. The Christian view of animals is sinful. They are just like us and they are no less inferior. We just happened to end up smarter. Even when the Bible tells us this the Christians choose to ignore it. When Eve ate the fruit she realized that she was naked and had knowledge. It was at this juncture that mankind became separate from the creation in Christian mythology. THAT is considered to be the original sin.
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