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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: fungis_eata]
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
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I'd just like to say that I had sex tonight....a few times with a girl that i know is not interested in a relationship. We were together for a long time and we're just not compatable. but she's good in bed and she feels the same way about me. do you see this as wrong?
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: fungis_eata]
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fungis!!! LMAO!!! $1??? More ROFLMAO!!!!
I know that what you wrote of goes on in dating, btw. I have never been that type of girl. But sometimes I think I was never meant to be a girl.
Yes, it's a type of prostitution, I suppose. If the guy buys the right dinner at the right place, she will go to bed with him.
However, the converse is true. (Is "converse" a word???) I went to lunch 3 times with a guy, who quit taking me to lunch after the 3rd time. I was like, WTF???? Why did he stop taking me out??? I had thought that he knew that I was kind of broke, and I thought he just enjoyed my company, and didn't mind spending money for lunch on me.
Turns out that if, by the 3rd date, a girl didn't put out, he was done with her. I countered that argument with, "Well, I didn't know we were dating! It was just lunch for chrissakes!"
Um, is a girl supposed to have sex in exchange for lunch? Is that the protocol these days? I thought dinner and dancing or somesuchshit was in order.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: fungis_eata]
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: fungis_eata]
#3112056 - 09/09/04 02:06 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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fungis_eata said: I'd just like to say that I had sex tonight....a few times with a girl that i know is not interested in a relationship. We were together for a long time and we're just not compatable. but she's good in bed and she feels the same way about me. do you see this as wrong?
It's not for me to say if it's wrong or not. Don't you see? Everyone has the opportunity to read the bible. I don't need to read it to you or lecture you.
If you read the bible and think it's a load of crap, then what you did with that girl is not wrong. If you read the bible and decide to believe in it, then gaving sex with someone with whom you are not married is wrong.
But personally, I don't care what you do with some girl. AGain, it's not my place to judge. I'm just pointing at the bible. Like, backing away from it, as I point, letting you glean whatever you will, deflecting attention away from myself.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#3112101 - 09/09/04 02:18 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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mattzdope said: Depends on what he paid and where he took ya..
just playin..
Edited to add: Hey aren't you an attorney???? I know attorney's make some good money, after personal experiences that I won't mention here. hah.. Are you criminal defense?? Those are the only type of attorney's I have delt with. Main question is, why were ya broke??
Went through a divorce. It was sad. I let my business go downhill. Well, there were other reasons it went downhill, but I am taking responsibility for the downhill action.
But all I cared about was having enough money for alcohol, food, and gas. It wasn't all that depressing, actually. See, I figured out things during that time period. I saw "life". I may be wrong in my conclusions, but it was a very revealing time for me.
I actually had a lot of fun, too. I have a friend who also posts here, just not as much as me. (Renegade???) She watched my back while I was going through all that.
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On another note, how does your husband feel about you going out on a casual lunch with a guy? Maybe I am just immature, but casual,professional, or not, if my girlfriend ever did that I'd be at the restaurant breaking one of those commandments over his head. haha
I'm not married right now, although I am seeing someone in Houston.
The general rule is that lunch is okay, but dinners are a no-no, unless there are a lot of people there. This seems to be the general rule with anyone I speak to on the subject.
And if you think your gf is screwing around on you, why would you break the guy's head? Why wouldn't you break HER head???
Are we off topic? Um, anal intercourse. Hrmm. How to get back on topic.
How do you get back on topic with that as a heading???
-------------------- The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire. -Teilard
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: deafpanda]
#3112448 - 09/09/04 05:58 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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It would seem that you have not yet differentiated your inner life by any 'higher' source of guidance. The mechanics of motivation have been well systematized and organized by not a few sacred models such as the psychic centers [chakras] found in Vajrayana Buddhism or the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. These are Transpersonal models that include but exceed and therefore transcend our rational evaluation of consciousness events. The rational mind is blind to pre-rational urges (as you yourself indicate by your own psychological blindspots that fail to grasp your comingled 2nd and 3rd chakra motivations for example - sex in the service of greed).
Neither have you grasped the moral implications of toilet-sex, or any pleasure-principle behavior that is not guided by a Higher Authority - a Higher Power, call it what you will, but there are obvious moral implications in a human who copulates in a drunken (semiconscious) and hence intentionally 'more animalistic' level of existence. There is no amorality among human beings. Even though never popular, Lawrence Kohlberg's 7th Stage of Moral development is the one which grounds morality is our higher spiritual nature, not merely in social processes and conventions. Whereas socially-based morality changes according to the mores of a changing society, spiritually based morality derives from a spiritual Absolute (another misunderstood and unpopular idea among those who do not understand real spiritual freedom).
Rutting like a drunken pig might bring animal satisfaction on that level, but one creates one's own being through everything we will, so what we become is a sum total of our freely willed experiences as well as our predetermined natures. We have choice over these freely willed acts, and many are not in our best interests IF human development is a value of ours.
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It would seem that you have not yet differentiated your inner life by any 'higher' source of guidance.
I'm not quite sure what differentiated means in this context, but I will say that while I believe in what I will call god for want of a better word, and give thanks/worship it in my own way, I have never looked to it for guidance in any recognisable sense of the word. On the few occasions when I have been "close" to "god", it has told me to live as I see fit. If that changes in the future, all well and good, but that's where I'm at now.
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The mechanics of motivation have been well systematized and organized by not a few sacred models such as the psychic centers [chakras] found in Vajrayana Buddhism or the Kabbalistic Tree of Life. These are Transpersonal models that include but exceed and therefore transcend our rational evaluation of consciousness events.
With respect, this is your belief, and the belief of some others that have considered this question. It is not everyone's belief, and cannot be proved to me unless I see it myself. I will look inside myself for the truth, taking someone elses metaphysical beliefs without direct or indirect experience is folly. As I said, I may change my beliefs later due to experiences I may have, but this is where I'm at right now.
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Neither have you grasped the moral implications of toilet-sex, or any pleasure-principle behavior that is not guided by a Higher Authority - a Higher Power, call it what you will, but there are obvious moral implications in a human who copulates in a drunken (semiconscious) and hence intentionally 'more animalistic' level of existence
Let me tell you how I came to my own conclusions about this.
In my explorations of my own consciousness, I have found no conscience. I have found no repressed subconscious unhealthy feelings or desires. I have found a rational mind, my emotions, and god. As I've said before, I don't believe god judges. This is because of my experiences and my reason. I have decided that it is up to me to try and find out what is good and what is bad, using my rational mind, and to act upon this.
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There is no amorality among human beings.
No, there is no amorality. There is morality and immorality and everything in between, but as I said before, with sex I see it as dictated very much by set and setting. If one party pins significance on it and the other doesn't, that's immoral. If both parties agree on the significance or lack thereof of it, that's fine.
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Even though never popular, Lawrence Kohlberg's 7th Stage of Moral development is the one which grounds morality is our higher spiritual nature, not merely in social processes and conventions
As I've said before, I don't believe that morality is in our higher spiritual nature. I can't reconcile this with my experiences. Neither do I believe that it is grounded in social processes and conventions - for me it is in the rational mind, not even the emotional mind, but the rational mind.
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Whereas socially-based morality changes according to the mores of a changing society, spiritually based morality derives from a spiritual Absolute (another misunderstood and unpopular idea among those who do not understand real spiritual freedom).
The idea that there is a spiritual absolute that knows a priori good from bad makes no sense to me. It's not that I don't want to believe it, it is just that it clashes so strongly with my experiences and my thoughts, I just can't believe it. I think that one of the most important things in life is to try and know good and bad, and act true to this knowledge.
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Rutting like a drunken pig might bring animal satisfaction
Yes, I like a bit of animal satisfaction sometimes. Animals have a certain integrity. Rolling around in the mud is a very animal thing to do, but it brings me great pleasure to do such things once in a while.
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but one creates one's own being through everything we will, so what we become is a sum total of our freely willed experiences as well as our predetermined natures.
I see the truth in this statement. There is animal in everyone, and I am happy to indulge this side of my character once in a while (although I've never been in a fight in my life).
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We have choice over these freely willed acts, and many are not in our best interests IF human development is a value of ours.
The way I see it, what I should do and what is best for me is to be true to myself. Being true to myself means incorporating every bit of knowledge and belief I have into my actions. Not doing so is pretending that some facts/beliefs of yours don't exist, which would be lying to myself. My knowledge and beliefs have been made fairly clear, I hope, in this post, and so you can see why my views on morality are as they are.
I am a very young man, and maybe one day I will find out that I have been wrong to think like this, but right now that is what I truly believe with all of my being and if I didn't let that dictate my actions then I would be lying to myself, and I'm sure you'll agree that's not a good thing to do.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
#3112761 - 09/09/04 09:05 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe there's nothing wrong about earning money with sex. It's your body and your responsibility. Personally i wouldn't do it, i don't have such need.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
#3112901 - 09/09/04 10:09 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here is an example of prostitution in nature.
http://www.blockbonobofoundation.org/ "It?s not just how they have sex, but how they use sex-- to maintain friendly relationships, to ease stress (e.g., Don?t be nervous, come here and sit on my face), as a form of commercial exchange (e.g., I?ll give you a blowjob if you give me a banana), and to reduce violent conflict. That is, they seem to use sex to make peace. And that, in a coconut shell, is why we love bonobos."
The article goes on to show how a more sexually open society allows for a more peacefull community.
Sexual sacredness is an illusion caused be thousands of years of indoctrination by thought police (i.e. the church and dominate male leaders who hold a double standard for the sexes).
And wait, before anyone gives me some shit about man being better than apes, I'd just like to point out that we aren't anything but the smartest monkeys on the rock. We are still only animals no matter how much we sit around thinking about it.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
#3112950 - 09/09/04 10:21 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Frog said:
He said, "That's the problem. We are spirits, and we are connected to one another, and to God. If God doesn't exist, we would just be animals. We're not animals, so therefore God must exist. How could we disobey God if His word is that we are not to have sex without marriage?"
Well, stuff like that, anyways. But he made a good point. We're spiritual creatures. If God doesn't exist, we are merely animals. That makes all kinds of sex okay. It makes other things okay, too, though.
He compared it to murder and such. If we're going to say sex outside of marriage is okay, for whatever reason, then why not murder and theft and all those things? That's how animals live. We're not animals, and we can't pretend that God doesn't exist.
Of course, all you heathens that don't believe in God can pretend so.
Why is it so hard to to believe that there can be accountability without some all powerful being looking over your shoulder?
Are the characters of ever single man, woman, and child so devoid of substance that there is no way that they can see right and wrong without a gods guidence?
I know through being self-aware, what things I want to happen to me and what things I don't want happening to me. I understand that all things being equal, most other people share the same wishes. Therefore I choose to do everything I can to make myself and every one else happy. Why do I wish to make others happy? Because it makes me happy.
There is no god that tells me to do right and wrong. There is no consequence of me doing wrong except my own displeasure.
Who desides what is right and wrong for each person? They do.
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
#3112997 - 09/09/04 10:36 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Ekstaza]
#3113286 - 09/09/04 12:08 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ekstaza: Why is it so hard to to believe that there can be accountability without some all powerful being looking over your shoulder?
I don't feel like God is looking over my shoulder.
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Are the characters of ever single man, woman, and child so devoid of substance that there is no way that they can see right and wrong without a gods guidence?
For the most part, yes, I believe that most people are devoid of whatever substance it is that causes us to choose good over bad. This is the reason God saw fit to provide us with the 10 commandments, and then His own Son when we still wouldn't behave morally.
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I know through being self-aware, what things I want to happen to me and what things I don't want happening to me. I understand that all things being equal, most other people share the same wishes. Therefore I choose to do everything I can to make myself and every one else happy. Why do I wish to make others happy? Because it makes me happy.
There is no god that tells me to do right and wrong. There is no consequence of me doing wrong except my own displeasure.
Who desides what is right and wrong for each person? They do.
My opinion is that most people are not like you. I don't do "good" to please God, although I know God is pleased. I do good because it's right. Because of karma. Because I'm here to learn. Because I can't become a better person if I am taking the easy way out by cheating, lying, stealing, etc.
I don't believe that acts gets me into heaven. All I have to do is believe. But I will do good acts because it is the right thing to do.
(I have to start that other thread. This topic about bad people keeps coming up, and I don't want to divert the thread.)
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Ekstaza]
#3113301 - 09/09/04 12:13 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ekstaza said: Here is an example of prostitution in nature.
http://www.blockbonobofoundation.org/ "It?s not just how they have sex, but how they use sex-- to maintain friendly relationships, to ease stress (e.g., Don?t be nervous, come here and sit on my face), as a form of commercial exchange (e.g., I?ll give you a blowjob if you give me a banana), and to reduce violent conflict. That is, they seem to use sex to make peace. And that, in a coconut shell, is why we love bonobos."
The article goes on to show how a more sexually open society allows for a more peacefull community.
Sexual sacredness is an illusion caused be thousands of years of indoctrination by thought police (i.e. the church and dominate male leaders who hold a double standard for the sexes).
And wait, before anyone gives me some shit about man being better than apes, I'd just like to point out that we aren't anything but the smartest monkeys on the rock. We are still only animals no matter how much we sit around thinking about it.
There was a pretty cool thread about this topic, but Mr. Mushrooms deleted all his posts, so we can't read what he wrote any longer.
No, we're not just animals. Well, maybe YOU are, but I'm not. And I looked at the site on those bonobos. You would compare humans to monkeys that act out on sexual urges whenever one arises?
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
#3116458 - 09/09/04 10:51 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not married right now, although I am seeing someone in Houston. Didn't you say that sex outside of marriage was a no-no for Christian women?
The general rule is that lunch is okay, but dinners are a no-no, What about a heavy make-out session in a parking garage?
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Swami]
#3116465 - 09/09/04 10:52 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aren't you a little late to the discussion?
Did you see where I quoted what you would have said if you had been here???
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Frog]
#3116545 - 09/09/04 11:06 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am not sure what your point for this thread is. You have set up a line in your own personal moral code as something that you would never cross, then cross it at a different point downstream.
All of sexuality (except rape) is an exchange; either for money, goods, security, or physical or emotional needs. Do you have a problem that is is in fact a business transaction (quid pro quo, baby!) or just the medium of exchange?
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Re: What price for anal intercourse? [Re: Swami]
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Swami said: I am not sure what your point for this thread is. You have set up a line in your own personal moral code as something that you would never cross, then cross it at a different point downstream.
I think I know of which points you are speaking, but I am not positive. Do you want to quote them for me so that we are on the same page?
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All of sexuality (except rape) is an exchange; either for money, goods, security, or physical or emotional needs. Do you have a problem that is is in fact a business transaction (quid pro quo, baby!) or just the medium of exchange?
I don't have a personal problem with someone else exchanging sex for something other than love. Even though I could not/would not exchange anything for sex except love, I have no problem with anyone else doing it.
For me, I only exchange sex for emotional needs. I have a need to be close to the one I love. But it's on a mutual level, I would hope.
-------------------- The day will come when, after harnessing the ether, the winds, the tides, gravitation, we shall harness for God the energies of love. And, on that day, for the second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire. -Teilard
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