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Fuckin stupid as fuck
    #3108244 - 09/08/04 03:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

So I made a poll in cultivation. It got deleted after 9 votes. I checked to see if any moderators had posted on it, and Mr Castanza had said no STAL. I said WTF? I've never heard of that, so I PM'd him and Magash. No response from either one. Cool.

So I did a search for no STAL. I found another poll which had been deleted by one of those mods. Of course there was NO EXPLANATION just a simple statement that it is tradition for EVERY poll to have a no STAL option so that poll got deleted.

Here's what I don't get: If you never make it clear what no STAL is, NEVER make any reference to it in the forum rules, don't answer PMs asking what's going on, and IT IS possible TO MAKE A POLL without no STAL - HOW CAN YOU EVER DELETE/LOCK A THREAD for not having a no STAL option WHATEVER the fuck that is anyway.

Just change it so that whatever no STAL is get automatically included in EVERY single poll.

Makes sense right?

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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: ricelicker]
    #3108318 - 09/08/04 03:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Since we already went over this in OTD, here's a recap of what I said in that forum. This is mostly conjecture, on my part, and maybe the Moderator can provide the specifics, but everything I said still applies. The Moderators are in charge of running their forums, and hence, they can take any action they wish to provide for the smooth operation of their forum based on their own instincts and style of management -- that is why we appoint them as Moderators.

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STAL is simply the "I am Sir_Tokes-A-Lot" option. It's a long running gag at the shroomery.
What really went down, is that the Moderators of that forum deemed whatever post/poll you made to be inappropriate for that forum. That happens occasionally, and I support the moderator's right to run their forums as they see fit. That's why we appoint moderators in the first place.
Sorry your poll got deleted, but the they evidently didn't want it in their forum for some reason, and they have the final say on the content of their forums.




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I just looked at the poll, and it looks suspiciously to me like you are trying to push a product, and I would imagine that is why it was locked. Perhaps if the poll didn't have a VENDOR name in it, and didn't look some some mutant variation of stealth advertising, it might have survived, but I don't really know. That's just my guess...

You seem really upset about this. Do you usually get this upset about these types of things? If it was me, I'd simply let the Moderators run their forum, and perhaps PM the Moderator if you are not sure about why they did something. And, of course, remember that you get more flies with honey than with vinegar...




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Additionally, it was a poll about substrates that only had TWO options. That's not a very good use of forum space, and I imagine that also played a role in why it was locked...




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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: Papaver]
    #3108397 - 09/08/04 04:10 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Very, very poor points.

Here's a recap of everything substansial you said:

1 - The moderators can do what ever they want, because they run the forums.

True. OK so what. They still are supposed to have a consistent set of rules they follow.

2 - It looks suspiciously like I am trying to push a product.

I already dealt with this in OTD but just to recap - the post has absolutely nothing to do with ANY PRODUCTS. Ryches tek and rye are the only things mentioned. I DO NOT SELL ANYTHING on the net. So what product might this be that you're talking about?????

3 - I seem really upset

Try to pay attention to what I'm saying, not how I'm saying it. I am upset, but so what? I still deserve to get this question answered.

4 - Try PMing the mods

As I have also already stated, I already tried that. They don't see any reason to respond.

5 - The poll only had two options so it's a waste of forum space

Now this is your worst point. Are you saying that a true/false question could never add any value to a forum? How many options would be in that poll? Why is it a waste of space to ask what substrate is preferred for a SPECIFIC strain? I think that is a very good conversation starter, but aside from that I am genuinely curious which one people like better.

What's the fuckin problem?

You have no point.  :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: ricelicker]
    #3108424 - 09/08/04 04:19 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

hey!  :mad2:

what the fuck? c'mon man.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: ricelicker]
    #3108435 - 09/08/04 04:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

chill out dude.

he wuz only playing with you.
how much time did you lose? an hour?

let it go...

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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: shirley knott]
    #3108448 - 09/08/04 04:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Maaaan....... He was only playing? Post #3108318 was only playing? Please.

*smashes hand through wall & walks away*


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: ricelicker]
    #3108450 - 09/08/04 04:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:smirk:

I stand by my statement that, "you seem really upset by this," because you do.

Might I also suggest, that your thread title, "Fuckin stupid as fuck," isn't likely to attract the attention of a cultivation moderator. Not to impugn you personal style of communication or anything, but a more expositive thread title such as, "why was my cultivation poll locked," would probably be more likely to attract the attention of someone who could actually answer your question. It would also establish a less combative tone, which might also help you in your quest to find out why your thread was actually locked.

That's really all I have to say about this. I tried to supply some answers, but they're obviously not the ones you want to hear. If your sole purpose in posting this is just to be pissy, then I suggest you stay in OTD.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: Papaver]
    #3108688 - 09/08/04 05:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well I appreciate the advice and I do agree, I most likely will be met with a pleasant response if my question is phrased differently. That is why my initial attempt to resolve this problem (in PMs to the mods) was very friendly.

I really don't understand you saying that you tried to supply answers. Admittedly, PMing the mods is a somewhat helpful suggestion. The rest? Help? Here they are:

1 - The moderators can do what ever they want, because they run the forums.
2 - It looks suspiciously like I am trying to push a product. ???? (I'd like to hear more about this one)
3 - I seem really upset
5 - The poll only had two options so it's a waste of forum space (you ignored this too....funny)

I'm upset because I see threads that should be deleted everyday, and I posted something that is not a played out topic, something that I'm actually curious about, something that might help me, something that applies to the forum.

I think I should be upset. If you don't see that, we're not on the same page.

I guess let's drop it. The only reason I posted here was to get the mods attention (believe it or not, I have seen them post in much more meaningless threads) and apparently that's not working just like the PMs. :wink:

Fuckin stupid as fuck. Now you see.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: ricelicker]
    #3108732 - 09/08/04 05:34 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

have you thought about the possibility that the person you originally pm-ed was asleep? or taking care of the rest of his life?


i'm sure it was not meant maliciously. george is a good character, and rips the piss out of me mercilessly to my enormous pleasure.


maybe you didn't get his sense of humour.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: shirley knott]
    #3108779 - 09/08/04 05:45 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

OK maybe you're right. It's not that big of a deal. I just want to know why it got deleted. If he was taking care of the rest of his life, how did he have time to lock the thread?????? I PM'd him very shortly after.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: ricelicker]
    #3108829 - 09/08/04 05:53 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i dunno, maybe yours was the last thread he posted in before the phone or door went or something.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: shirley knott]
    #3108992 - 09/08/04 06:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yea unfortunately, he made all of these posts within houes of receiving my PM:

#3106855
#3105995
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#3104503
#3106938

I'm just trying to prove my point. Scratch that, I just did.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: ricelicker]
    #3109164 - 09/08/04 06:58 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed, that you blew this alittle out of perportion. I think this whole thing could have been avoided if mods were required to give an explanation for locking/deleting threads. Even a short one would do.
I know that nobody gets paid to mod this site, but it bothers me to no end when i spend some time making a thread, possibly hunting down multiple links, and pictures, only to have the thread disapear.
Than trying to find out who did it, usually by badgering other mods into telling me, than writing a pm to that mod, only to be ignored, or given a smartass hahaha i'v got the power and you don't responce.

many times i have been tempted to make an angry thread just like this one. Just to figure out what happened to my threads and why. But most times its best just to say fuck it.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: ricelicker]
    #3109172 - 09/08/04 06:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

ricelicker said:

I'm just trying to prove my point. Scratch that, I just did.




Yeah, you sure did.

Ricelicker, you more than made your point... you made a great impression... the way you reacted to the locked poll should be an example to ALL Shroomerites.

If you don't like something a moderator does... bitch until you are blue in the face. If only more Shroomerites would use this tactic.

They'd certainly be as successful as you've been in getting what they want.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: ricelicker]
    #3109686 - 09/08/04 08:33 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

it's really stupid it has to come to this. i can think of many occasions where the mod was a tad over zealous with the 'click' action.

great job admin! posts are locked on a consistent basis for reasons unknown. think about it - with out a valid reason for locking somebody's thead, it's just going to happen over and over again cause the posters don't know exactly what was wrong...

was it because the poll included hawk's substrates? ryche hawk is a SPONSOR of the shroomery. hello! he pays money for his name to be on the boards... are we not allowed to discuss his products?

was it because one of the options was about sir tokes alot? gimme a fucking break...liven up your life if that was the true reason.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: felix]
    #3109740 - 09/08/04 08:48 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

none of the options was about sir tokes alot.
thus it broke an unwritten rule: that shroomerites have a sense of humour and not take life too seriously.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: felix]
    #3109847 - 09/08/04 09:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Shirley Knott, I must say you have honestly been more helpful than anyone. So all I need to know is that next time I need to include an option about sir tokes alot?

Thank you, I just wish this had been made clear from the beginning.

Cervantes:
You have to understand I'm not real concerned with the impression I give you, or anyone else. I am just trying to get some information (reason for making the poll). So by PMing the mods and making this post, I'm bitching until I'm blue in the face huh? That's interesting.

Just so you know, as a result of this thread, I did get a response from the mod (so fellow shroomerites take that how you want). He basically told next time I need to include an option that allows people to vote for a bogus answer (Sir Tokes A Lot). You people spend so much time talking about wasted threads and space and time, but somehow this little meaningless requirement is enough to get my thread locked? Wow.

I would be curious to know what you suggest I do if I don't understand why a post of mine was deleted.

Shirley Knott had the curtosy to tell me he was moving a thread I made. Why couldn't the other mod just send me a PM when he did it?

Felix, thank you. I'm glad someone else understands.........

And cervantes last thing - I did get what I want. After all this bullshit I finally found out what I did wrong. Too bad I had to bitch for so long to get a response. Pretty lame .......


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: ricelicker]
    #3109890 - 09/08/04 09:18 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

read my first response to you again. i am still not trying to be helpful to you, but to kick your ass without hurting your feelings.

too much aggression, ricelicker. lick less rice.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: shirley knott]
    #3110015 - 09/08/04 09:45 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Nice aside

You have been the most informative.


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Re: Fuckin stupid as fuck [Re: ricelicker]
    #3110833 - 09/09/04 12:29 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

So... the problem was George Costanza didn't spell out STAL (I am Sir Tokes A Lot).

That led to confusion.

Fine... that IS what happened right?

So... if that WAS the problem... you just didn't know what GC meant by STAL... when he locked your thread, why on Earth did you have to make two posts about it in two forums? You were answered quickly and correctly in BOTH threads... and it UPSET you. WTF dude!? Poor, poor title choices for those threads too.

Since you asked, here's a tip, if you are upset because you think a mod did something wrong, and you wonder why... don't title your thread, "Fuckin stupid as fuck." And give the mod 24 hours to reply to your pm. Then send another. After 48 hours, pm an administrator or post in here... if you still require an answer.

Surely, after 48 hours, you wouldn't be so upset.

By the way, in case you still dodn't fully understand why your thread was locked... every poll (especailly polls with very few choices) should have a STAL or "I don't care" option, so people can see results without really voting. That is all GC meant by STAL. He has a point... no?

Is STAL a rule of The Shroomery? No.

Then, why was your post locked?

Because nobody could see the poll results without picking one of two very obscure options.

VERY FEW PEOPLE COULD HAVE PARTICIPATED IN YOUR POLL. VERY FEW CULTIVATORS HAVE USED BOTH OF YOUR POLL CHOICES.

ONE option, Ryche's grain... simply isn't popular enough. It would not get many votes because SO FEW PEOPLE EVEN KNOW IT EXISTS. If it is the best stuff on Earth, it is a WELL kept secret.

So, your little poll, didn't allow people to see any results without picking one of two, very limiting options. As polls go, you likely would not get satisfying results... even if it remained open.

In this case, a thread would have been much better than a poll. You posted an obscure question as a poll when it was really a question, and most people couldn't see the results, because they had NO OPINION on the matter. Let me repeat that... MOST PEOPLE COULDN'T SEE THE RESULTS, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO OPINION ON THE MATTER.

If ever there was a need for a STAL option in a poll, it was your poll!

Get it?

Good.

Also, I suspect, although most people are too polite to say it, your poll was locked, in part, to protect you from potential flames. It WAS a pretty aweful poll. Someone was bound to say SOMETHING. And judging from this thread, you probably wouldn't have taken kindly to any flames in your precious little poll.

So...

If you just wanted an answer from George Costanza, why on Earth did you pick a fight in here? Hold on... Before you deny picking any fights, just look at the way you have treated people who have tried to help you (simply scroll up). ESPECIALLY Papaver. Damn dude! All he was trying to do was help you. He wouldn't speak for George (understandable) and STILL was the FIRST to tell you WHY your Thread was LOCKED. That's right. PAPAVER ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION FIRST!!! IN HIS FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD!!! ON HIS FIRST GUESS!!! And it only served to upset you further. Some people are really hard to please.

Also...

You couldn't wait for George's reply before trashing him in TWO separate forums. He didn't owe you shit. Still, he sent you a PM answering your question.

As a cultivator, ricelicker, I'd like to think you know a thing or two about patience.

This is a website moderated mostly by tree hugging, stoner, hippies. We are patient and/or procrastinators by nature... and we can be busy moderating... or toking... even when we just want to surf The Shroomery and goof off like a normal Shroomerite. We ARE volunteers.

Please, respect this fact. The moderators have a lot to do. They spend several hours a day moderating. They earn no money for what they do.

The moderaters deserve to earn your respect. What the hell do you expect? We're a bunch of hippies. We may procrastinate from time to time... but we sure as hell have good intentions most of the time.

Give us the bennefit of the "Fuckin stupid as fuck," doubt.

I know people would like to think the moderators here have a guidebook to follow, but Shroomery moderation is truely more of an art than a science. PM's to mods are typically answered... but it may take a day. Usually it takes less time... but I find people here reply quickest when you aren't following them around on the Who'se Online screen Moderators do have lives (school, work, significant others, social lives, eating schedules and sleep habbits... etc).

It may come as a shock to you ricelicker, but we mods have MORE IMPORTANT THINGS than your locked poll on our minds most of the time. And we certainly can't be everywhere at all times.

By now ricelicker, you must see George Costanza didn't mean you any harm when he locked your thread.

Yet...

Look at how you reacted to this MISUNDERSTANDING.

George is a very new moderator, and I am sure he learned a thing or two from you and this situation, BUT YOU COULD HAVE HANDLED YOURSELF BETTER. You set a very poor example.

I don't care what you think about me. I treated you with disrespect in my last post, so you have a right to be publicly upset with me... I could tell you took criticism poorly before I posted. Your response was not surprising.

but...

... your past comments about George, Magash and especially Papaver were OUT OF LINE... did I miss anyone?

You were trying to pick a fight. You were. You still are... to a degree... continuing to taunt and goad the moderators and administrators.

About what?

Oh yeah... you didn't know what STAL meant.

KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT MAN... AND KEEP ON TRUCKIN'!

Look at how you have behaved today.

You are certainly trolling me... but I was asking for it... with my last, sarcastic post.

I'm sure George is sorry this whole thing happened... he probably even said so in his PM... YOU should be sorry too ricelicker.

You made a mountain out of a mole hill... when a little patience would have solved this whole situation. No mudslinging required.

Think what you want, but patience WOULD have resolved this silly issue.

Dude, The Shroomery is usually a very FAIR place. Sure... ONE thread was locked. Perhaps it shouldn't have been locked... but it was. Boo (Fuckin stupid as fuck) Hoo!

THIS thread remains open, and you can still shout. Face blue yet? Or are you ready to eat a little crow?

You're free to speak, but I suggest you get off of this particular soapbox quickly and gracefully.


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