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Re: Gas exchange for myc vs. shrumes [Re: fastfred]
    #3121770 - 09/11/04 11:44 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't state pressure release because that was just an indicator of metabolic activity that was not what I was talking about I thought it would perhaps help you a bit more in understanding is all. Everyone here by now knows my nature already. Any response from me hads been provoked! Now as P#1 said lets get on with the business at hand. TY P#1


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Re: Gas exchange for myc vs. shrumes [Re: hyphae]
    #3121809 - 09/11/04 12:10 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

P#1 would you explain what hyphae is trying to say? After his last statement I have even less idea what he is talking about. He's made no attempt to explain himself. The only thing he's done is repeatedly flame me. Then George jumps in and flames me too. Nobody has any explanation at all, so either they had a point and miscommunicated to a gross degree, or this entire thread ammounts to a flame against me.

Am I the only one who has to follow the rules? It seems like I've been asking this repeatedly. Enforce the rules for everyone or butt out and let this thread run it's course.

Hyphae, explain yourself or delete your insults! George explain Hyphae's point, or delete your insults. P#1, explain Hyphae's point or butt out until it gets explained or it becomes clear that hyphae had no point in the first place.

Don't think I'm disrespecting the mods here (god forbid), I have much respect for all of them.


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Re: Gas exchange for myc vs. shrumes [Re: fastfred]
    #3121841 - 09/11/04 12:26 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Hyphae is arguing that "Gas exchange" is not equal to "fresh air exchange". What is air? It's a gas. An exchange involves two objects or substances switching places. If there is only an inside and an outside then any "exchange" must involve fresh air. Therefore we have the statement "gas exchange" is not the same as "gas exchange"! That makes no sense at all. Hyphae is arbitrarily using words with imaginary meanings known only to him, just as I said in the beginning.

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Re: Gas exchange for myc vs. shrumes [Re: fastfred]
    #3121915 - 09/11/04 12:51 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

fast fred we do not want to enter fresh air exchanges into a colonizing jar but we do want it to "breath" but yet keep co2 levels high. We do want to enter fresh air exchanges to our fruiting chamber to lower co2 levels. Gas exchange allows any built up gases to vent which allows the jar to breath, this is easier for the newbie to understand especially when talking about tape on the jars It is passive as was stated yes. When we speak of FAE (fresh air exchange) we are speaking of exchanging the total volume of air thereby lowering co2 concentrations in all actuality. Combining these two terms would totally confuse a newbie IMHO whereas separating them would help them . Point being FAE lowers CO2 concentrations gas exchange does not. I'm not arguing that fact you can break down the words and end up with the same thing I am only stating in "mycology" each term has a specific meaning and is even referenced to in TMC. GL FF


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Re: Gas exchange for myc vs. shrumes [Re: fastfred]
    #3121929 - 09/11/04 12:55 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Hyphae is arguing that "Gas exchange" is not equal to "fresh air exchange". What is air? It's a gas. An exchange involves two objects or substances switching places.





During incubation there is 1 primary gas that is released, technicly it's not exchanged, look at Mycobags as a good example, you can vacuum them down and seal them, but once the spores germinate and the mycelium starts to spread you will notice that the bags begin to inflate, the CO2 is released through the filter patch, this technicaly isnt an exchange, its a release... using the term gas exchange is a little confusing for the proscess since there really is no intake of fresh air


during the fruiting period when most people use it, it's air or gas exchange, air being easier to understand for most to understand and allowing to differentiate between the 2 different proscesses, Air is more of a collection of gases, Nitrogen being the dominant at 78% followed by Oxygen at 20% the remaining gasses are in much smaller quantities including argon, carbon dioxide, krypton, helium, nitrogen oxide and a few others... because you are forcing fresh 'air' into the terrarium to replace the old CO2 laden 'air' it's an actual exchange

there are a great deal of terms used that are less than accurate to discribe proscesses in this hobby but its done with the intention od making it easy to understand for new users...


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Re: Gas exchange for myc vs. shrumes [Re: fastfred]
    #3121984 - 09/11/04 01:12 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Gas Exchange= gas exchanges values

Gas Exchange
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There is a ton of info out there FF it is not imaginary, I hope I was wrong earlier when I said you are done learning. In our field they're very common terms with separate meanings. GL FF


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Re: Gas exchange for myc vs. shrumes [Re: hyphae]
    #3122374 - 09/11/04 03:03 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you hyphae. It makes a lot more sense to me now. That first link is great. Hopefully I'll never be done learning.

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Re: Gas exchange for myc vs. shrumes [Re: fastfred]
    #3122482 - 09/11/04 03:36 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

  lol with everyone.Education and entertainment in this forum is wonderful!Science could never be as much fun staring at a book,sitting at a desk,in a boring classroom.Air exchange rocks! :crazy2: P.S. I feel the same way about gas exchange.( fart humor) :laugh:


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