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I wonder if this is true?
    #3105177 - 09/07/04 09:15 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)



"And when America gives its word, America keeps its word."

? G. W. Bush

(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040810-10.html)


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: afoaf]
    #3105319 - 09/07/04 09:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

man he makes the funniest expressions...
I guess someone asked him if how far he could open his mouth without showing any teeth...


Then he got hired :blowjob:


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: afoaf]
    #3105625 - 09/07/04 10:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder if this is true?

nope. the liars are at it again.

this probably makes me a "bush humping republican", but here it goes anyway...

The Biodiversity Treaty

created in 1992, never ratified by the united states.

The Forest Protection Treaty

has anyone ever even heard of this one? i haven't. the only information i can find goes so far as to say that it was never ratified by the US.

The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty

the US is still party to this agreement.

Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty

failed to be ratified by the US senate in 1999.

The 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention

the US is still party to this treaty.

The 1979 UN Convention on the Ellimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women

this too was never ratified by the united states.

UN International Covenant on Economic, Social, and Cultural Rights

signed in 1977, never ratified.

The Chemical Weapons Convention

signed in 1993, never ratified.

of the 11 on the list, only 2 were actually "revoked" by the bush administration, and third was violated... most of these agreements failed to be ratified by the united states way back when they were first introduced. they were not "revoked" by george bush, nor any other US president.

lying to make a point is the lowest form of intellectual sloth.


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: afoaf]
    #3105668 - 09/07/04 10:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: ]
    #3105676 - 09/07/04 10:53 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Where has it been determined that the US revoked the Geneva Convention?

As for the 1972 ABM treaty, it was never revoked, it is just no longer applicable, since it was a treaty between the US and the USSR. The USSR hasn't existed now for over a dozen years.

And the International Criminal Court ... too lazy to check this out, but did the US ever ratify that? My memory says no but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.

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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: Phred]
    #3105780 - 09/07/04 11:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Good work pointing out the lies of the Bush-bashers. There's so much Bush bashing going on that I will never believe anything bad that was said about him to be true. They're crying wolf too many times. Lie lie lie all the time.


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3105817 - 09/07/04 11:18 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

And of course you'll believe everything good that's said about him, right?


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3105845 - 09/07/04 11:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It's nice to see you actually talking.


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: Phred]
    #3105921 - 09/07/04 11:37 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Where has it been determined that the US revoked the Geneva Convention?

i believe that it was violated by our detainment of POW's at guantanamo bay.

As for the 1972 ABM treaty, it was never revoked, it is just no longer applicable, since it was a treaty between the US and the USSR. The USSR hasn't existed now for over a dozen years.

some people (fortunately including the russians) see russia as inheriting the USSR's legal commitments. you've got a point here, but when so many of the bullets on this list are 100% bunk, letting a debatable one slip ain't a big problem for me...

And the International Criminal Court ... too lazy to check this out, but did the US ever ratify that? My memory says no but I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.

it was signed by clinton shortly before leaving office... it too was never ratified. must've missed that one... thanks for pointing it out.


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: afoaf]
    #3106018 - 09/08/04 12:01 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

What about the Kyoto Accord?


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: Skikid16]
    #3106114 - 09/08/04 12:24 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

America never signed the Kyoto Accord. That was one thing that was too whacked for even Clinton to go along with.

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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: Phred]
    #3106183 - 09/08/04 12:38 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Oh HOLY SHIT, the appocalypse must be upon us, for I, little ole me, get to prove the great PINKY wrong.

BAM

OK OK, well, its kinda proving him wrong, cause the US signed the treaty, as pinky said they didn't, but it didn't say they ratified the accord......so its really just a case of semantics, but even still, I get a little pride, right?


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: Skikid16]
    #3106210 - 09/08/04 12:46 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Nope, you got me fair and square. I mis-spoke on that one. I should have said "ratified", because it never has been ratified, as the article you linked pointed out.

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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: Phred]
    #3106223 - 09/08/04 12:48 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

:tongue2:


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: Phred]
    #3106230 - 09/08/04 12:50 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks man


You still kick ass


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: ]
    #3108541 - 09/08/04 04:50 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

thanks, it just didn't seem right.

I appreciate the leg work.


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: afoaf]
    #3109898 - 09/08/04 09:19 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:


But U.S. ratification of the treaty and action to implement it appeared some way off.

The administration has said it won't ask the Senate to ratify the treaty until developing countries agree to participate -- and that could take several years.





http://www.cnn.com/TECH/science/9811/12/climate.signing/


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: afoaf]
    #3109919 - 09/08/04 09:23 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe we could start another forum where it would just be alex and afoaf. Afoaf could come in and post a link or image thats totally wrong (Read: Governator: Liar or Idiot), then we could all prove it wrong, and then Alex could come in with some off-topic nonsequitor remark and derail the thread. Great fun to be had all around!


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: retread]
    #3110582 - 09/08/04 11:39 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

someone call the waaaaambulance....


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Re: I wonder if this is true? [Re: Phred]
    #3110676 - 09/09/04 12:02 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

"Where has it been determined that the US revoked the Geneva Convention? "


I seriously doubt that they have.

The Geneva Convention only applies amongst other countries who were party to it -- I believe there were two, one in the.. 1880s? And one just after 1900?


Something tells me most the countries we're fighting did not participate in the Geneva Convention.

Case in point, there's some military folk independantly developing a new caliber to use in close-quarters combat like we're seeing in Iraq, because the 5.56mm is.. shitty.
They're planning on pairing it up with a rapidly-expanding (almost fragmentary) bullet design to drop targets fast.

That's actually almost not-really allowed by the Geneva Convention, but we're not planning on using it in countries bound by the Geneva Convention.


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