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Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew
    #3101384 - 09/07/04 12:54 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, Monday, Aug. 30, 2004

Half of New Yorkers Believe U.S. Leaders Had
Foreknowledge of Impending 9/11 Attacks and
"Consciously Failed" To Act;

66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions
by Congress or New York's Attorney General,
New Zogby International Poll Reveals

(Utica, NY) - On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.


The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy. Despite the acute legal and political implications of this accusation, nearly 30% of registered Republicans and over 38% of those who described themselves as "very conservative" supported the claim.

The charge found very high support among adults under 30 (62.8%), African-Americans (62.5%), Hispanics (60.1%), Asians (59.4%), and "Born Again" Evangelical Christians (47.9%).

Less than two in five (36%) believe that the 9/11 Commission had "answered all the important questions about what actually happened on September 11th," and two in three (66%) New Yorkers (and 56.2% overall) called for another full investigation of the "still unanswered questions" by Congress or Elliot Spitzer, New York's Attorney General. Self-identified "very liberal" New Yorkers supported a new inquiry by a margin of three to one, but so did half (53%) of "very conservative" citizens across the state. The call for a deeper probe was especially strong from Hispanics (75.6%), African-Americans (75.3%) citizens with income from $15-25K (74.3%), women (62%) and Evangelicals (59.9%).

W. David Kubiak, executive director of 911truth.org, the group that commissioned the poll, expressed genuine surprise that New Yorkers' belief in the administration's complicity is as high or higher than that seen overseas. "We're familiar with high levels of 9/11 skepticism abroad where there has been open debate of the evidence for US government complicity. On May 26th the Toronto Star reported a national poll showing that 63% of Canadians are also convinced US leaders had 'prior knowledge' of the attacks yet declined to act. There was no US coverage of this startling poll or the facts supporting the Canadians' conclusions, and there has been virtually no debate on the victim families' scores of still unanswered questions. I think these numbers show that most New Yorkers are now fed up with the silence, and that politicians trying to exploit 9/11 do so at their peril. The 9/11 case is not closed and New York's questions are not going away."

Nicholas Levis of NY 9/11 Truth, an advisor on the poll, agrees, "The 9/11 Commission gave us a plenty of 'recommendations', but far more plentiful were the discrepancies, gaps and omissions in their supposedly 'final' report. How can proposals based on such deficient findings ever make us safe? We think these poll numbers are basically saying, 'Wait just a minute. What about the scores of still outstanding questions? What about the unexplained collapses of WTC 7, our air defenses, official accountability, the chain of command on 9/11, the anthrax, insider trading & FBI field probes? There's so much more to this story that we need to know about.' When such a huge majority of New Yorkers want a new investigation, it will be interesting to see how quickly Attorney General Spitzer and our legislators respond." (Contact: nicholas@911truth.org, Tel. 917.295.4929)

SCOPE: The poll covered five areas of related interest: 1) Iraq - do New Yorkers think that our leaders "deliberately misled" us before the war (51.2% do); 2) the 9/11 Commission - did it answer all the "important questions" (only 36% said yes); 3) the inexplicable and largely unreported collapse of the third WTC skyscraper on 9/11 - what was its number (28% of NYC area residents knew); 4) the question on complicity; and 5) how many wanted a new 9/11 probe. All inquiries about questions, responses and demographics should be directed to Zogby International.

SPONSOR: 911truth.org is a coalition of researchers, journalists and victim family members working to expose and resolve the hundreds of critical questions still swirling around 9/11, especially the nearly 400 questions that the Family Steering Committee filed with the 9/11 Commission which they fought to create. Initially welcomed by the commissioners as a "road map" for their inquiry, these queries cut to the heart of 9/11 crimes and accountability. Specifically, they raised the central issues of motive, means and cui bono (who profited?). But the Commission ignored the majority of these questions, opting only to explore system failures, miscommunications and incompetence. The victim families' most incisive issues remain unaddressed to this day. The Zogby International poll was also cosponsored by Walden Three (walden3.org) and 9/11 Citizens Watch (911citizenswatch.org), a watchdog group which has monitored the Commission since its inception and will release its findings, "The 9/11 Omission Report," in several weeks.

On September 9th and 11th, 911Truth.org will cosponsor two large successive inquiries in New York, a preliminary 9/11 Citizens Commission hearing and "Confronting the Evidence: 9/11 and the Search for Truth," a research-focused evidentiary forum. These inquiries will examine many of the 9/11 Commission-shunned questions and discuss preparation of a probable cause complaint demanding a grand jury and criminal investigation from the New York Attorney General. Possible charges range from criminal negligence and gross dereliction of duty to foreknowledge, complicity and subsequent obstruction of justice. For details and developments, see www.911truth.org. For press info, contact Kyle Hence 212-243-7787 kylehence@earthlink.net

Zogby International conducted interviews of 808 adults chosen at random in New York State. All calls were made from Zogby International headquarters in Utica, N.Y., from 8/24/04 through 8/26/04. The margin of error is +/- 3.5 percentage points. Slight weights were added to region, party, age, race, religion, and gender to more accurately reflect the population. Margins of error are higher in sub-groups.

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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: Rono]
    #3101438 - 09/07/04 01:09 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

maybe they're all just a bunch of barking moonbats as pinky says =/


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: ekomstop]
    #3101463 - 09/07/04 01:16 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: Rono]
    #3102033 - 09/07/04 06:03 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

This just released.....
Same 50% are wackjobs.


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #3102049 - 09/07/04 06:23 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Would you think they were wackjobs if the poll had shown "50% of new yorkers not convinced that US govt did not have prior knowledge of 9/11 attacks. They are also not convinced that the govt did not choose to conciously ignore this intelligence."


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: Rono]
    #3102086 - 09/07/04 06:55 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

50% of New Yorkers are idiots then.


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: ekomstop]
    #3102553 - 09/07/04 11:34 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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50% of New Yorkers are idiots then.




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This just released.....
Same 50% are wackjobs.




This is fucking pathetic


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: ekomstop]
    #3102588 - 09/07/04 11:46 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

yep...the usual suspects with lots of hot air but very little in the way of substance!!


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: ekomstop]
    #3102604 - 09/07/04 11:50 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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ekomstop said:
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50% of New Yorkers are idiots then.




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This just released.....
Same 50% are wackjobs.




This is fucking pathetic




why is it that people who normally 'dont trust the government' are willing to believe everything they say regarding this matter? 

conservative hypocrisy again  :thumbdown:


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3102672 - 09/07/04 12:09 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Just for the record...This poll was not given by the government.


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: Rono]
    #3102691 - 09/07/04 12:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

just for the record... I didnt say or imply that it was. I dont know how you got that from what I said. I was simply pointing out that two of our most conservative "from my cold dead hands" members are strangely willing to accept the government's shoddy excuse for an explanation of 9-11.


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3102705 - 09/07/04 12:18 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

What shoddy "excuse" might that be? That a group of Islamic hijackers managed to pull off the most spectacular terrorist attack in history?

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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: Phred]
    #3102724 - 09/07/04 12:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

4 planes go off course and off IFF for 45 minutes and NORAD sits there with its thumbs up its ass? 

you wanna buy a bridge? :smirk:


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3102729 - 09/07/04 12:26 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

So you believe the attacks were deliberately allowed to occur?

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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: Phred]
    #3102731 - 09/07/04 12:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

why cant he just be unsure either way?


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: Phred]
    #3102733 - 09/07/04 12:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

yes. I have believed that since about three months after 9-11, once the initial shock and anger wore off, and I actually atarted thinking about it.


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    #3102744 - 09/07/04 12:29 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting admission, especially from one purporting to be a scientist.

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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: Phred]
    #3102753 - 09/07/04 12:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I said it was a belief. Scientists can believe things. We just cant misrepresent those beliefs as fact. Without belief, there would be no theories. If I am faced with absolute proof that conflicts with my belief, I will renounce it.


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3102770 - 09/07/04 12:37 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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why is it that people who normally 'dont trust the government' are willing to believe everything they say regarding this matter?




I question the government quite often, I'm just not willing to gobble up this conspiricy crap because I am able to think and make educated observations about the evidence presented by myself. All of the evidence thus far has been hear-say, editorial comments and wishful thinking. I figured a brain such as yourself would know that.


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Re: Poll: 50% of NYC Says U.S. Govt Knew [Re: DoctorJ]
    #3102776 - 09/07/04 12:38 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

quit calling yourself a scientist, you're not one.


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