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Todcasil
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: silversoul7]
#3101562 - 09/06/04 11:48 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think its for the majority of everyone... regardless of gender, that they are shallow and existential. i aslo dont think its a bad thing... just not something i can do. unfortuantly i think we targeted women here with this topic, without even knowing it... but it was a valid question. like i said, i only know of one women who fits the bill of spiritual entheogen explorer, and to reveal the other side of the equasion, about 3 maybe 4 not including myself, men who do the same. i suppose it wasnt fair to state the female half without the male end also (that only makes it complete). regardless of my ramblings peace PS. it is good to see the other half of the yang show up : )
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Todcasil]
#3101675 - 09/07/04 12:19 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think you ought to define for spiritual purposes. most of the poeple i know who don't use drugs recreationally (not to have fun) use them to get all brain fucked and twisted for a short time because they don't like thier life. i'm not sure if i know anyone in real life who uses them for spiritual purposes.
on another note, the local psytrance poeple are pretty much about equal male/female
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: truekimbo2]
#3101741 - 09/07/04 12:33 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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like i said, i only know of one women who fits the bill of spiritual entheogen explorer, and to reveal the other side of the equasion, about 3 maybe 4 not including myself, men who do the same. Sadly very few individuals use them for the reason of spiritual exploration.
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Edited by MAGnum (09/07/04 12:34 AM)
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Todcasil
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: truekimbo2]
#3101780 - 09/07/04 12:42 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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thats because youre in NYC
(jokes people, jokes)
also, what is psytrance?
peace
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Todcasil]
#3101814 - 09/07/04 12:52 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have never heard of a psytrance. I would think it has to do with trance music.
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: SpecialEd]
#3102035 - 09/07/04 04:05 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it possible for a person to do entheogens for spiritual purposes, but do other drugs recreationally? This is something to think about, instead of blurting out, "Sure it is."
Sure it is.
I'd go further, and say that it's possible to do entheogens for both spiritual and recreational purposes. I think that if you can take shrooms at a party and enjoy it, you have earned the right to do so. I don't see it as wrong or somehow shallow, if it works for you, its ok.
I take MDMA maybe once every two months when there's a big party. The first time I took it was a religious experience. These days, the quality has decreased and my tolerance has increased, so I tend not to do any soul-searching on it. It makes for a great night out, though.
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3102616 - 09/07/04 09:53 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: A friend of mine maintains that females don't like entheogens because they are inherantly shallow and focused on the outside.
DING DING DING DING!!!! that having been said, I have met a few women who enjoy psychedelics, and even a couple who find them spiritual. But they are the exception.
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3102958 - 09/07/04 11:28 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: A friend of mine maintains that females don't like entheogens because they are inherantly shallow and focused on the outside. I don't think that is true after 18 years of marriage, but I am no expert. Truth to tell, though, they are funny animals to be sure. I do not pretend to understand them.
HAHAHA
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Zahid]
#3102974 - 09/07/04 11:32 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are the man!
U prolly don't care for such an egotistical statement but MUCH RESPECT!
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3103051 - 09/07/04 12:01 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm pretty much the only girlie I know (in person) who digs psychedelics in a spiritual way. (Of course, I have very few female friends.)
I don't think there is a shortage of serious female trippers, though. Listening to any Terence McKenna lecture, there are usually lots of women asking good questions.
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: deafpanda]
#3103135 - 09/07/04 12:21 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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deafpanda said: I'd go further, and say that it's possible to do entheogens for both spiritual and recreational purposes.
My thoughts exactly. I've had a lot of spiritual insights while tripping for fun, and had a lot of fun times while searching for enlightenment.
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3103468 - 09/07/04 01:50 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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To all you females who appreciate spiritual truth, and even entheogens occasionally, don't back off on it because some guy pushes his asshole opinion on you. There certainly aren't enough of you to go around as is.
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3103714 - 09/07/04 02:41 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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spirituality is hard to back off on once it shows itself to you, or rather once you open your eyes to it.
also:
i think recreation and spirituality go hand in hand... if you cannot enjoy the universe, how can you claim to be trying to understand it? but on the flip side, their doesnt mean that there is not a grim awareness of everything... that is spirituality also, but even those people who embrace the entropy of the universe know how to enjoy it also.
peace
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: MAGnum]
#3103723 - 09/07/04 02:43 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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psytrance is psychedelic trance music... some of the BEST music you can listen to on mushrooms. download some shpongle and listen next time u trip...i orignally got shpongle and "didn't get it" until i heard it under the influence
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Todcasil]
#3103776 - 09/07/04 02:56 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Todcasil said: spirituality is hard to back off on once it shows itself to you, or rather once you open your eyes to it.
Wow, thats a very good quote there. I feel the same way.
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Todcasil]
#3103935 - 09/07/04 03:29 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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"spirituality is hard to back off on once it shows itself to you"
I have known people who became disillusioned due to a personal crisis and not just turned their backs on it, but they became vehement opponents of it.
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3104246 - 09/07/04 04:35 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: A friend of mine maintains that females don't like entheogens because they are inherantly shallow and focused on the outside.
I used to think that. I used to think that was the reason I had more male friends than female. But I realised the real reason why I wanted to be with my male friends is because its easier, less time consuming, less emotionally taxing and ultimatley less rewarding. (usually). All my female friends know me far better than my male friends, even if they don't see me as often. Women, generally, are intensely perceptive and they desire to understand how people are feeling and how their minds work. The bond between female friends is incredibly intimate. I think generally female friends know each other far more deeply than male friends do, and sometimes it can feel quite threatening, when somebody knows you better than you do... but mostly it's really wonderful. Women, generally have the quality of empathy far more than men do, and that's not a shallow trait, although it is one that can be used for shallow personal gain as well as for love and understanding between friends. I love men, and there are things I don't understand about them... I just think that men don't always understand this about women. My only answer to the question is that women are less likely to take drugs generally. The reason for that is that as girls, we are still coddled and protected by our families more than boys are. Young boys are more likely to rebel, more eager to experiment, and more likely do things that they know are "bad" just to prove themselves or to get a thrill. In my experience that's how most young people (who have been poorly educated on the subject) get into drugs. I think its possible women are more likely to have deeply introspective trips, even on medium/low doses. Often that's not something people expect or are prepared for so it can put them off tripping altogther.
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Edited by Fina (09/07/04 04:52 PM)
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3104434 - 09/07/04 05:06 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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to oppose something, ultimatly, i feel you have to be scared of it. sometimes a persons path down spirituality might take them apart from their familes and friends, significant others... it is scary to think of yourself as a pariah, or that you are losing these people... so you can turn back, but i dont feel that you ever lose what you gained... thats just my opinion though... personal experience: i turned my back on all of my spiritual teachings i recieved when i was worshiping the moon... my family and friend gradually got wind of what i was doing at night, and they thought i was stone wierd. some thought i was going crazy... i was alienated and felt sad, so i stopped the lessons... but everytime i go outside and see the moon, i still remember. now, i never became oposed to this, but i could see how one could after an experience like mine. i dont feel sorry for your friends, im glad they even got a chance to walk the path, at least. peace EDIT: the moon was one of my greatest teachers... she taught me stillness, and all my further lessons ahve utilized that to the fullest. i love the moon.
-------------------- Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect GODDESSES Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud GODS. ~Casil
Edited by Todcasil (09/07/04 05:08 PM)
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Todcasil]
#3104502 - 09/07/04 05:15 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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"to oppose something, ultimatly, i feel you have to be scared of it"
Sometimes it happen's from bitterness and feelings of betrayal when a situation doesn't seem to turn out "according to the will of God".
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Re: females and psychedelics [Re: Todcasil]
#3105098 - 09/07/04 06:58 PM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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After after 33 years of tripping, I rather agree with you Todcasil. However, psychological type (as in the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator) determines how spirituality is to manifest. Except for my Lady of 8 years, most women I've known have not been Thinking Types, let along the INTP which we both happen to be. Most Americans are Extraverts vs. Introverts. Introverted Intuitive Thinking is fairly rare statistically, and the 'P' function allows for a passive reception of all data from within and without, without 'Judging' whether one likes the data or not, so it is more 'objective.'
There, now I've demonstrated my need to categorize, but my Lady is even better at the MBTI and she wasn't trained in it by Jungian analysts like I was! In fact, she really likes different psychospiritual systems of categorization: Sufi, Vajrayana, occultic, etc. Typology is a better indicator than simple gender difference. She 'looks' very feminine, but she 'thinks' in ways that most people identify with 'masculine,' i.e., extremely logical.
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