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Which came first Religion, or Magical thinking?
    #3091493 - 09/04/04 03:41 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I'm currently in an art history course, and we were examining the pre-historic statues and cave paintings, and many specialists consider the art to be a talismen like uses. In other words, early humans used it possibly in the belief that it drew the animals to them, or gave them powers to hunt the animals. This certainly pre-dates any religion, and it really shows how Religous beliefs came out of this thinking.

Anyway, I think it's interesting how we can trace back the roots of Religion as more of an extention of magical thinking and perhaps a cultural interpertation of what life is, moreso than a structure which has always existed.

Anybody have other examples that deminstrait this idea?


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Re: Which came first Religion, or Magical thinking? [Re: Twirling]
    #3092385 - 09/04/04 08:31 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

magical thinking came first, as it is present in all shamanic traditions, which predate organized religion by thousands of years


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Re: Which came first Religion, or Magical thinking? [Re: Twirling]
    #3092434 - 09/04/04 08:45 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

certain monkeys get excited and swing when they cme across this fast running river, i think it may have a waterfall, too.

so i think the first experience was awe.


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Re: Which came first Religion, or Magical thinking? [Re: Twirling]
    #3092665 - 09/04/04 09:56 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

wonder is wonderful.

wonder-memory-imagination-magical purpose-shamanism?

string of thoughts.

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Re: Which came first Religion, or Magical thinking? [Re: Twirling]
    #3092677 - 09/04/04 10:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Well every sort of thinking is magical when looked at from a certain way. And that is what makes up any religion.


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Re: Which came first Religion, or Magical thinking? [Re: Twirling]
    #3093199 - 09/05/04 12:00 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Shamanism was the precursor to ALL religion.


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Re: Which came first Religion, or Magical thinking? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3093792 - 09/05/04 03:14 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I think it's funny that it might be true that Shamanism was among the first "religions". I'm sure drug-states and some mental illnesses must have shaped early religion in a big way. After all, how would these people interpert them but with a magical point of view.


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Re: Which came first Religion, or Magical thinking? [Re: Twirling]
    #3093891 - 09/05/04 04:10 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

magical/mystical shamanism was the pre-cursor to religion.


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