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#3090939 - 09/04/04 11:59 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.venturacountystar.com/vcs/co_valley/article/0,1375,VCS_166_3161290,00.html
2 teens charged in death of girl
Police say they gave her a hallucinogen
By Maria Gonzalez, September 4, 2004
Two Conejo Valley teen-agers were charged Friday in the drug-related death of a 17-year-old Newbury Park girl who was struck and killed while walking naked last month on Highway 101.
Brian Mit-chell and Alissa Ruef, both 18, are charged with giving drugs to a minor, and Mitchell also is accused of involuntary manslaughter in the death of Victoria "Tia" Nugent.
Both pleaded not guilty in Ventura County Superior Court and are being held in Ventura County Jail with bail set at $55,000 each.
A preliminary hearing was set for Sept. 17.
Nugent, a recent graduate of Newbury Park High School, was killed Aug. 15 while walking nude on Highway 101 near Wendy Drive about 3 a.m, police said.
Prosecutors allege she was under the influence of psychedelic mushrooms when she walked onto the highway. The Van Nuys man whose vehicle struck Nugent was not cited.
Although toxicology results are not yet available, Deputy District Attorney Ryan Wright said Friday he has substantial evidence Nugent was under the influence of the mind-altering drug.
Psychedelic mushrooms contain the chemical psilocybin, which can cause hallucinations after ingestion, according to the National Drug Intelligence Center Web site. A person could also lose the ability to distinguish fantasy from reality while on the drug.
"A lot of teenagers say, 'It's just mushrooms,' " Wright said. "Unfortunately for Miss Nugent, her reaction to those mushrooms was not good."
Accused of supplying drugs
Mitchell and Ruef are charged with supplying Nugent with the mushrooms the night she died. Mitchell's manslaughter charge alleges he contributed to her death.
"Furnishing drugs to a minor is an extremely serious case," Wright said, adding that he has sufficient evidence to hold Mitchell responsible for Nugent's death.
Nugent's friends expressed mixed feelings about the charges. Many of them knew Ruef from school but did not know Mitchell.
Casey Fleher, 18, said he is glad to see someone being held responsible, but said Ruef's case might be unfair.
"I really don't think Alissa is being prosecuted for the right reasons," he said. "She was one of Tia's good friends."
'You can't even mess with drugs'
Fleher said drugs are a problem in Ventura County, but especially in Newbury Park because of its small-town feel. Nugent's death, however, sent a clear message.
"People have learned from this," he said. "Her really close friends have learned from this. You can't do drugs. You can't even mess with drugs."
Nugent's friend Jen Flanagan, 18, said she is unsure whether prosecuting Mitchell and Ruef is the right thing to do.
"It is partially their fault, but then, I don't know," Flanagan said. "Because they did supply it for her. But they weren't looking out for her. But I'm not quite sure how I feel about it yet."
Flanagan said she has heard Nugent had taken psychedelic mushrooms, but without toxicology results to prove which drug was in Nugent's system, Flanagan remains skeptical.
"It could have been so many things," she said.
Details sketchy
Details of what happened before Nugent died are sketchy and remain under investigation by the Ventura County Sheriff's Department.
"The whole thing is still kind of awkward because we weren't there," Flanagan said. "The only person who really knows the whole story is Tia."
But Flanagan said she doesn't doubt Nugent was on drugs when she died.
"That was not Tia. That was not her. That was not something she would ever have done," Flanagan said. "That was the only way that something like this would have happened. It wasn't even like Tia to be by herself. This is a girl who loved to have people around her all the time. That aspect of it is really weird."
Nearly 400 of Nugent's family and friends attended her memorial service in Thousand Oaks last month. She was buried in St. Louis, where she grew up. None of her family and friends attended Friday's arraignment.
"Something good has to come out of it," said Sue Shields, whose son Cody was Nugent's friend. "Somebody has to learn a lesson.
"Now there's another 18-year-old kid," she said, referring to Ruef. "It's really sad."
"There's going to be no winners in any of this," Wright said, speaking not only about Nugent's relatives, but Ruef's and Mitchell's. "Their kids are going to be taken away from them for some time. But at least they get to go home someday."
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: motaman]
#3091530 - 09/04/04 02:52 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, thats pretty sad. What I don't understand though is how you don't see a naked girl in the middle of the road? Sounds a little fishy to me, I think the wrong people are being held responsible.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: motaman]
#3092046 - 09/04/04 05:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used to live in that area. A lot of teenage deaths.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: motaman]
#3092285 - 09/04/04 07:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I doubt they'll make those charges stick, I'll bet.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: Le_Canard]
#3095299 - 09/05/04 03:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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it's so rediculous that people get charged because someone else did something stupid, I've taken tons of mushrooms, nothing I have ever felt or seen would make me strip nakid and play in a highway. then, you would think someone would see a nakid girl playing on a highway, no charges for the driver?
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: gdman]
#3095615 - 09/05/04 04:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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why do they feel the need to blame?
one person is dead already - and it was the person who allegedly chose to took the drug
They took a gamble and paid for it
seems to be to be enough said. No need to fuck up someone elses life
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 Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: motaman]
#3096100 - 09/05/04 08:23 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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then they should throw fucking store owners and bartenders in jail for selling cigarettes and alcohol
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: motaman]
#3097148 - 09/06/04 12:25 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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She [may have been kidnapped] and dropped off the side of the highway by the bastard. The girl probably tried to flag down a car to help her but it was dark and thats how she got it. I HIGHLY doubt mushrooms would make her do that.
Edit: Comments toned down upon the emailed requests of Tia's friends.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: Worf]
#3100162 - 09/06/04 07:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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there have been plenty of people that have been so ego disolved that they realize clothes are totaly pointless, and strip down and feel free(it really feels fucking AWESOME, try it...by yourself of course, or with your old lady who is partaking too, it is very liberating if you let go of the ego's guilt that drives you to wear clothes in the first place, i am very serious, fucking get naked next time you shroom, just dont be in public of course). divinely you realize clothes are restricting your freedom. we only wear them out of shame(ego) and cuz of society making us. otherwise what? we are ANIMALS, do we make all the other animals wear "clothes"? no. its part of society. try and put a lil doggy sweater on a dog. observe. the dog is like WTF is this shit? get this fucking thing off of me, and it frantically will try to get it off. because they are uncomfortable to them. and if yoru shroomin balls, you might be like fuck this, just like the dog.
also, yes, throw the fucking bartenders in prison then for all the drunk drivers fucking up.
another awesome example, imo, is blame the bartenders for people that get drunk and kill themselves. THIS IS A POINTLESS FUCKING CHARGE. this world is in dire need of serious mental help.
they will not be charged for murder....a good lawyer will have that case for fucking lunch, omg how pathetic.
hahah, hopefully you live out in the country where nobody is around, so you can run around naked. muahahha! im just lucky i guess.
if you think thats stupid, then you arent getting the point here, your ego makes you feel shame. if yu were truly meant to wear clothes you would be born with them. get past the ego, and you realize YEAH, clothes are stupid!....just be smart about it and you wont go to jail for indecent exposure 
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: ]
#3100178 - 09/06/04 07:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh yeah....make sure you put on some bug repelent if you try it to see how liberating it actually is...hahah, fucking bugs
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: gdman]
#3106821 - 09/08/04 02:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
you would think someone would see a nakid girl playing on a highway
That was exactly what I thought, like I said....how the fuck do you "not see" a naked girl?
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She [may have been kidnapped] and dropped off the side of the highway by the bastard.
Unfortunatly, that thought crossed my mind also.
Edit: Comments toned down upon the emailed requests of tia's friends.
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Another teen charged in girl's death [Re: motaman]
#3121849 - 09/11/04 11:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.venturacountystar.com/vcs/co_valley/article/0,1375,VCS_166_3174995,00.html
Another teen charged in girl's death
Tia Nugent hit by a car after taking hallucinogens, police say
By Maria Gonzalez,
September 11, 2004
A third teenager was charged Friday in the drug-related death of a 17-year-old Newbury Park girl, with prosecutors insisting they would hold responsible anyone who contributed to her death.
Jonathan Martinez, 19, of Camarillo, pleaded not guilty in Ventura County Superior Court to charges of involuntary manslaughter and giving drugs to a minor in connection with the death of Victoria "Tia" Nugent. Martinez was being held at the Ventura County Main Jail on $50,000 bail. A preliminary hearing was set for Sept. 22.
Last week, Brian Mitchell and Alissa Ruef, both 18 and of Thousand Oaks, were charged with giving drugs to a minor. Mitchell also was charged with involuntary manslaughter. He was being held at Ventura County Jail on $55,000 bail. Ruef posted bail late last week.
Senior Deputy District Attorney Ron Carpenter, who is prosecuting Martinez, said adults and youths could take something away from this case.
"If one message goes out to teens and adults, it is that we do not take care of our friends like that," he said. "We do not help our friends become under the influence. Friends are supposed to help friends, not put them into harm's way."
The three teenagers are accused of supplying psychedelic mushrooms to Nugent, who died when she was struck by a car Aug. 15 while walking naked on Highway 101 near Wendy Drive. The Van Nuys man whose car struck Nugent was not cited.
Nugent had gone to a party the night before and returned home with friends by 1 a.m., Nugent's mother said during an interview last month. Nugent apparently left her home during the night and was walking alone on the highway about 3 a.m. when she was struck. It was unclear when Nugent had taken the mushrooms.
Although toxicology results are pending, prosecutors said they were confident Nugent was under the influence of psychedelic mushrooms when she died. They allege Martinez, Mitchell and Ruef gave Nugent the drug the night before she died.
Psychedelic mushrooms contain the chemical psilocybin, which can cause hallucinations when ingested, according to the National Drug Intelligence Center Web site. A person under the influence of mushrooms could lose the ability to distinguish between fantasy and reality.
The details leading up to Nugent's death remain under investigation by the Ventura County Sheriff's Department, spokesman Eric Nishimoto said. It was unclear whether more arrests would be made.
"We're making every effort to find all the parties responsible for Tia's death," Nishimoto said.
Nugent, a recent graduate of Newbury Park High School who would have turned 18 this month, had been scheduled to start school at San Diego State University this fall.
The fact that Nugent was almost 18 when she died is irrelevant, Carpenter said.
"It has no bearing at all," he said. "The law does not say, 'A minor who was about to turn 18.' "
Nugent's family declined to comment on the arrests. Family friend Kathy Flanagan, whose family considered Nugent an "honorary Flanagan," also declined to comment other than to say youths in Newbury Park need a safe place to spend their time.
"If you talk to these young people, they'll tell you it's boring and there's no place to go," she said. "They need somewhere they can go, someplace they can hang out that is a more safe environment, where you're not going to be exposed to those things that aren't safe for you."
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 Re: Another teen charged in girl's death [Re: motaman]
#3122049 - 09/11/04 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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This story is ridiculous. The man who hit her wasn't cited?
WTF?
Scapegoat?
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Re: Another teen charged in girl's death [Re: motaman]
#3122115 - 09/11/04 12:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah this is wrong on so many levels...
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Re: Another teen charged in girl's death [Re: motaman]
#3124328 - 09/12/04 12:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Nugent apparently left her home during the night and was walking alone on the highway about 3 a.m"
her friend took her home,where she was safe.
They DID take care of her.
her parents should be charged then too, for letting her leave the house.
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Re: Another teen charged in girl's death [Re: motaman]
#3124558 - 09/12/04 01:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have some issues with this... first off, giving mushrooms to a minor is a serious crime... the only way the cops could have found out about that part was from her friend's statements, so the kids who got arrested made two big mistakes- 1- they gave drugs to a minor, and failed to supervise her properly while she was tripping, which is just plain wrong, and 2- they told someone about it, it might even have been them who told the cops "yeah, we gave her mushrooms"
moral of the story- giving powerful psychedelics to people with young fragile minds is dangerous and should not be done without proper supervision, and , when someone you gave drugs to od's or trips out and gets herself hit by a car, leave town immediately, and don't answer any questions from nobody.
as for the idea of the whole story being preposterous, i personally know people who have taken too many mushrooms, stripped off all their clothes, and went wandering off thinking they were on a beach or somewhere else completely from where they really were.
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Re: Another teen charged in girl's death [Re: MikeOLogical]
#3124928 - 09/12/04 02:54 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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>first off, giving mushrooms to a minor is a serious crime
>they gave drugs to a minor, and failed to supervise her properly
Im not trying to be a dick but...
Giving pf jars to people are not supervising them is the same thing pretty much.
U are giving them to the person in hope they will be responsible.
U are giving them to them for mycological reasons and not to be injested...
U wouldnt want to be charged for contributing jars just the same as them contributing
mushrooms.
If thats truely how u believe i think u should reconsider what ur doing here selling what
ur selling.
Im not saying what ur doing is bad. im saying u may be to blinded by the money
to realize u are going completely against what u stand for.
This is going off what u have just posted.
Am i way off?
Also what i hate in the artical is the word "Drug"
i mean come on. Why when they quote these people they are like "drugs are bad"
blah blah blah. Then they go home and pop some asprin to get rid of a headache or
maybe some opiate to kill some cronic pain or something.
Drugs are drugs.
>Her reaction to these mushrooms where not good
How many drunks get killed a day??? They complain about liqour too but whats happening???
I think its way more likely to get real drunk and stumble onto a highway than
eating a bunch of mushrooms and stumble onto a highway.
Id rather go stare and a friggen tree.
I dont think this article will have a major impact against mushrooms personally.
Theres way more worse things out there popping up everyday.
Good job finding it though motaman.
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Teen admits he gave drugs to girl who died [Re: motaman]
#3300581 - 10/31/04 09:11 AM (16 years, 1 day ago) |
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http://www.venturacountystar.com/vcs/co_valley/article/0,1375,VCS_166_3292743,00.html
Teen admits he gave drugs to girl who died
DA drops involuntary manslaughter charge in return for his guilty plea
By Jessica Keating and Maria Gonzalez,
October 30, 2004
A Ventura County teenager charged in the bizarre death of a Newbury Park girl admitted Friday that he gave the girl hallucinogenic mushrooms hours before she was struck and killed by a car as she wandered naked along a local highway.
Jonathan "J.J." Martinez, 19, of Camarillo pleaded guilty to one count of furnishing a controlled substance to a minor at a hearing in Ventura County Superior Court. He faces a maximum of nine years in prison at a sentencing hearing set for Dec. 1.
In exchange for Martinez's plea, the Ventura County District Attorney has agreed to drop a second count, involuntary manslaughter. That charge carries a maximum four-year prison term.
Outside court, prosecutor Ryan Wright said the agreement was "consistent with office policy."
"We took a plea to the most serious charge," he said. "Despite the way it sounds, furnishing to a minor is the most serious charge."
Martinez remains in jail. His attorney, Harrison Gavin Long, was unavailable for comment after the hearing Friday.
Wright declined to discuss plea negotiations, but said defendants generally accept plea agreements as a way to argue for a less severe punishment. State law allows judges to use discretion when a defendant admits guilt, Wright said.
Martinez's sentence could range from probation and time in county jail to nine years in prison.
Martinez is one of three teenagers charged with giving hallucinogenic mushrooms to Victoria "Tia" Nugent, 17, who died Aug. 15 after her middle-of-the-night walk on Highway 101 south of Wendy Drive.
Search warrants made public last month revealed that Martinez and his friend Brian Mitchell met up with Nugent and her friend Alissa Ruef late Aug. 14 in order to eat mushrooms purchased by Martinez. By 3 a.m. the next day, Nugent had wandered naked onto the highway.
Martinez, along with Mitchell and Ruef, both 18 and of Thousand Oaks, were charged with furnishing drugs to Nugent. Martinez and Mitchell were also charged with involuntary manslaughter.
Ruef, who declined to comment for this report, and Mitchell, who remains in jail, are expected to appear in court Nov. 18.
Reached by phone late Friday, the defendant's sister, Samantha Martinez, said she is relieved the manslaughter charges against her brother will be dropped. She acknowledged, however, the matter is far from over.
"We'll be happy when he's home," the 18-year-old said.
She said many people have painted too negative a picture of her brother, whom she described as a hard-working student who made a bad decision. Her brother graduated from Hillcrest Christian School in Thousand Oaks last year, she said.
"He made a mistake and now he is suffering the consequences, but that is not all he did," she said. "He did a lot of good things."
Wright said Martinez did the right thing by pleading guilty Friday.
"That's commendable, that he was willing to step up and take responsibility," Wright said. "And I'm sure that's something the judge will take into consideration."
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I first met this beautiful young woman that had SO much potential when I was interviewing her for a job.
She was by no means the type of kid that I thought would ever be involved in dope use.
I felt SO bad at the time of interviewing her that I was unable to hire her due to the fact that she was a minor.
I later met her at my favorite movie theater were she was employed and assured her that I would gladly hire her as soon as she turned 18.
I have interviewed hundreds of applicants in my management career and never met a girl so young that had such natural professional talent.
At this point there is SO many things to blame but it will never bring her back.
From the friends who gave her the dope or the friend who took her home and then snuck her back out and then let her run out of her house half naked and then eventually looked for her to no avail.
To the poor soul who did not see her well enough to stop on time on the freeway.
This is the ugly side of drug abuse.people die.good people.
you can glamorize it all you want here but the fact remains dope kills.mushrooms kill.I have had my experiences with shrooms in my younger days and quickly realized the potential of danger.
Unlike other drugs you can so easily believe you are walking on a sandy nude beach and not realize you are walking naked down the middle of the freeway.
To Tia's Friends.
I hope to god you don't let her death be in vein.
To her buddies that doped her up and did not fully take the responsibility to make sure she does not have a bad trip.
May the courts and mostly God have mercy on your souls.
For you destroyed a beautiful person.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
#3481855 - 12/11/04 02:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh gee, I'm enlightened, I will never tocuh drugs again by grace of god, praise the LOOORRRD!!! Give me a break, mushrooms do not kill, stupidity kills.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
#3481858 - 12/11/04 02:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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100 bucks says you did not know this girl.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
#3481864 - 12/11/04 02:51 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm content, my soul is fine, how's yours?
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
#3481926 - 12/11/04 03:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah and stop using the word "dope".
OH MY GOD!!! THE DOPE!!! 
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: gdman]
#3481970 - 12/11/04 03:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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I expected no less from an idiot.at no time did i say praise the lord you FUCKING BITCH!
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
#3481973 - 12/11/04 03:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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your gay and will die soon doper.DIE DOPER DIE!
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
#3481976 - 12/11/04 03:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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maybe its time for you losers to move out of mommies and get a job
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
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gdman an idiot on so many levels.get a job and sober up waste of humanity.your parents must be so proud.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
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I have a job, and yes, my parents are very proud.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
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my coomemt was a littl harsh. read below.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
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I do feel bad that this girl died, I'm not cold hearted, but it is not the mushroom that killed her. Never in history has anyone died from a Cannabis, Mushroom, DMT, LSD, or Mescaline over dose. Never, not one person. However, many have died as a direct result of Alcohol and Pharmaceutical over doses, sit on that one for a while. People might have died while under the influence, but that's different. Running around the street naked is not a normal reaction to mushrooms, there is something else to this story that they aren't telling us. If you really knew this girl, I'm sorry, you have to understand anyone can google "mushrooms" and this site will probably be one of the first few hits. With the anonymous nature of the net, people can play "let's troll the forum" without real consequence. This girl's death is being exploited by media sensationalists, those are the people who you should direct your anger at.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: gdman]
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They want to put these two guys away because the girl decided to run in the highway when tripping, but when a doctor gives a 12 year a more dangerous prescription than any psilocybin species ever was, and the kid kills his grandparents or himself, it's ok? What a fucked up society we live in, these ones they want to put in jail are just scapegoats
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One day things will change my friend
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: gdman]
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This girl's death is being exploited by media sensationalists, those are the people who you should direct your anger at.
Right on. Fuck the media. Except Adbusters, they're pretty cool.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
#3482699 - 12/11/04 06:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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this whole thing sucks.
maybe if she had some info regarding their safe use this may not have happened? hindsight is 20/20 
knowledge is power. if her death is to not be in vain, then it will serve to remember that:
1) Minors shouldn't be doing drugs, too much is going on with their lives for them to imbibe completely safely (mentally moreso than physically)
2) You should take measured doses, in a controlled setting with a sober 'trip'sitter present to avoid such misteps.
3) Stay away from shady/sketchy people. Bad News.
4) React, but do not over react to situations like these. Harm reduction is a far better way of educating than this "Just say no" attitude. I do not believe at all that increased manditory minimums or a harsher sentance for drug use will ever stop new people from trying.
Scare tactics don't work. Get over it.
eddstack: I think you are wrong on almost every level, except that she shouldn't have died; generalizing mushrooms into the category of 'dope' is something I have only known miseducated or indoctrinated people to make (police being the main contingent of these people). You need to calm down and examine why she died instead of how. Mushrooms were involved but it could have just as easily been an anti-depressant and alcohol in another situation. Blanket statements show that you are still dealing with the emotions of this tradgedy and that you are still seeing it through a lens of grief.
You say that "This is the ugly side of drug abuse.people die.good people." but you fail to grasp that the same statement could be applied to anything. including driving, eating, sports. Seriously; just look.
"This is the ugly side of life .people die.good people."
Sorry for your loss, but don't loose your shit about it. I'm sure that if I knew Tia and she were open minded enough to try them of her own volition, she would be open minded enough to examine a situation like this without jumping to the easiest answer made availible.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: Adamist]
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you all can justify and rationalize your drug consumption how ever you like.
you probably will maybe till your dying day or maybe when a loved one dies as a result.
Denial is bitch when you are a drug addict.
To admit some little weed or fungus has you by the balls is something you may never choose to deal with.
But please listen to yourselves.you are on such the deffence of your drug abuse its pathetic that you would even consider making light of a person who died as "direct" result of this particular controlled substance.
It wasn't the drug it was the person?....yes cars kill alcohol kills and SO do many other things but don't be tright with that rational when speaking of this instance.
Had she not done it at all she would be alive today.
I have nothing against you guys and your freedom to pursue your form of happiness I just don't need to hear your ongoing attempts to justify supposed recreational drug use in the name of a person who i knew who Died.knock off yor deffensive remarks.If you have something to contribute as far as the original posted forum then contribute.if you are here just to deffend your buzz then go away!
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
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read below VV
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
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Did you even read anything said in response to you? I mean really read it, doubt it.
Anyway, psychedelics are for intellectuals, ideally only people with strong minds should be taking them. Weak minded people simply do not enjoy them, I can't think of a single person that would do what that girl did, no matter how high your are, you would still have a grasp of what your surroundings are. Of course, there are times when you don't have a grasp of such concepts, but you'll be tripping so hard, it's impossible to even walk. You would be sitting or laying down in a trance. Something does not add up with her story, not saying it's not incredibly sad, or people just don't freak out like that. I'm not trying to rationalize anything, I'm really sitting here racking my brain on this. It's not so clear cut. Something had to happen to her, this is why you should really know the people who you choose to hang out with.
You don't know me, I always look at an issue at every possible angle, and I do not rationalize shit. You end up nowhere fast when you try to rationalize and skirt around the issue.
She could have had a pre-existing but latent psychological condition that was aggravated by the stress of a trip. This kind of condition would be aggravated by any extreme stress (whether it was positive or negative) a strong trip is certainly stressful whether good or bad. I must emphasis that this kind of condition could have been caused by stress at work, with family, school, etc. This goes back to my point, only people with strong minds should take theses substances. If your interested in tripping, you should know your family history, it is not something you do on a whim.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
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if you are here just to deffend your buzz then go away!
Nope. I was here first.
Situation sucks, but considering the nature of this website, I think you're barking up the wrong tree.
You'll find people who sympathize with your grief (including me) but you won't hear us blaming the shrooms because we know better.
This website is doing young people a huge favor by educating them on mushroom use. The truth is that mushrooms are physically harmless but can cause mental stress. They are a very powerful entheogen that should only be taken with the utmost respect and knowledge. They are not a "toy" or a neat thing to do just to get fucked up. Shrooms are serious business. I think you'll find that most people here at the Shroomery follow that mantra.
Your anger is understandable, but I can't really see what you're trying to accomplish by posting here. You call us addicts and other names simply for having a differing point of view then you do, and then tell us not to get defensive. So what the fuck, man? How do you expect us to respond? Of course we're going to get defensive at such an unfounded accusation. There is no doubt that mushrooms have changed lives at this website, the majority for the better. I'll spare you my personal story, but they have changed me at the core of my being and I am happier for it.
Life is all about Choice. Your friend made a choice when she decided to use mushrooms. The mushrooms didn't coerce her into taking them. They don't care. They are a benign substance. She chose to take those mushrooms.
What we're all saying here is:
You can't hold a plant responsible for what your friend chose to do.
That's the bottom line. You're suffering, you're in grief, but you can't come here and expect us to ignore this. It's a shame, it's a fucking shame about your friend. It's always tragic when people die.
I don't know what else to say except that we're not trying to make you feel worse. We're just trying to show you that shrooms aren't inherantly evil just because your friend died when she was on them.
Anyway, please take care and sorry you had to come here under these circumstances. 
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: MOTH]
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I think I'm done here.good bye and take care.marry Christmas and to all a happy new year.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
#3485000 - 12/12/04 02:45 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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You too, and again I'm very sorry for your loss.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: gdman]
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I'll raise that up to $1,000.
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Any idiot can type "magic mushrooms" in google find this site and say "hey, I wanna fuck with the hippies". Happened a couple times at DMT World.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: gdman]
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I would take you up on that bet ChiefTunderThong but I doubt you would ever deliver the cash.so sad......I will be at the hearing in January bring your money I will provide proof.you see my pic so you know who to look for.
see you there.
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How the hell can you say "mushrooms have you by the balls",
when it's literally impossible to trip more than once a week?
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: eddstack]
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You ever read the art of war? It's this big thick book written by this visionary Sun Tzu, he wrote this book a long, long time ago around 500 BC actually. What's amazing is that the principles in this book still apply today, here is a little tiny snippet: "All war is based on deception." This little quote should conger up some images of some modern wars: WW II, Vietnam, The second Gulf War, The War on Terror, The war on drugs... Tekno, this is probably why she feels the way she does, it's not her fault. From a young age we are fed in the form of scare stories and DARE programs from the propaganda machine. This is why people feel that drugs do all kinds of crazy things that they do not. Granted I'm not saying that all drugs are good. Drugs cannot be "good or bad", those are human traits. Psychedelics are drugs, but they are a little bit different, they are in their own category.
What makes these drugs so interesting is that when ingested they do not have "set effects". Drugs that have set effects are drugs like coke, opiates, meth, etc. These psychedelic drugs depend on your mind set and your psychical setting. If someone is to know one thing about psychedelics it this. A man named Humphry Osmond said, in 1957 upon trying LSD:"To fathom hell or soar angelic/Just take a pinch of psychedelic." This sums it up, as long as you have a good, positive mindset, and a comfortable setting, you will be in divine presence.
Unfortunately, with prohibition, these drugs become more widely available on the street. I do not believe psychedelics should be sold to just anyone, though people of strong mind should have access to them. Most of the "traditional" psychedelics can be grown at home anyway. A dealer does not really care about the buyer's state of mind, for the most part. As long as our governments stance is to scare people from drugs with new speak, half truths, pseudo science, and all out lies people need to have a source in which they can reliable information about what they put in their bodies. This is why the Timothy Learys, and the Terrence Mckennas are say what they say and do what they do. This is why we, the shroomery, is in existence. The psychedelic experience can be so beautiful and can do so much good for humanity, all you need is a key and a reliable source of information.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: gdman]
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I found this list of noteable users of LSD, quite interesting:
Richard Alpert
Julian Beck
Stewart Brand
Lenny Bruce
Neal Cassady
Eric Clapton
Leonard Cohen
Doc Ellis
Maynard Ferguson
Peter Fonda
Jerry Garcia
Allen Ginsberg
George Goodman
Cary Grant
Dick Gregory
George Harrison
Jimi Hendrix
Abbie Hoffman
Albert Hofmann
Albert Hubbard
Aldous Huxley
Christopher Isherwood
Phil Jackson
Mick Jagger
Oscar Janiger
Jack Kerouac
Ken Kesey
Arthur Kleps
Paul Krassner
R. D. Laing
Timothy Leary
John Lennon
Henry Luce
Clare Boothe Luce
Charles Manson
Groucho Marx
Charles Mingus
Paul McCartney
Jim Morrison
Jack Nicholson
Anais Nin
Mary Pinchot
Roman Polanski
Jerry Rubin
Ed Sanders
Owsley Stanley
Viva Superstar
Alan Watts
Odd, they forget to list Bill Gates and the original Microsoft team, I belive on the applications for employment for Microsoft (when it was a small company) one question was "Have you ever taken LSD?" Gates belived that it unlocked a crative part of your mind and allowed yuou to become a better thinker... maybe they aren't so evil after all  .
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: gdman]
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did they really have to put Timothy Leary... I mean really.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: sos]
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Sure, why not? Timothy Leary was a noteable user of LSD and mushrooms to in his early years.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: sos]
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What would have been obvious is the inclusion of Albert Hoffman, who accidentally synthesized LSD, he was the first to do so and the first to experience it, apparently some of the LSD which he created somehow was ingested by him (probably through his skin) as he road his bike home, he began to feel, a little different.
He was researching drugs to be used as cardiac stimulants I believe, as ergot alkaloids are vascoconstrictors. What he created, well, is something else alright.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: gdman]
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"All war is based on deception." This little quote should conger up some images of some modern wars: WW II, Vietnam, The second Gulf War, The War on Terror, The war on drugs... Tekno, this is probably why she feels the way she does, it's not her fault. From a young age we are fed in the form of scare stories and DARE programs from the propaganda machine. This is why people feel that drugs do all kinds of crazy things that they do not.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl *update* [Re: motaman]
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Teens sentenced in death of Newbury Park teen
Thu, Jan. 06, 2005
montereyherald.com
VENTURA, Calif. (AP) - Two teenagers were sentenced to nine months in jail for giving 17-year-old Victoria Nugent hallucinogenic mushrooms before she wandered naked onto Highway 101 and was struck and killed by a car.
Jonathan Martinez and Brian Mitchell, both 19, were credited with time served and will likely spend three more months in jail. They were also placed on four years' probation and ordered to pay about $12,000 each in restitution to the Nugent family.
Martinez and Mitchell admitted giving Nugent the mushrooms before she died on Aug. 15, 2004.
They have been in Ventura County Jail since early September, when they were arrested in connection with her death.
Deputy District Attorneys Ron Carpenter and Ryan Wright asked Superior Court Judge Bruce Clark to sentence each defendant to three years in prison. Carpenter said a strong message should be sent emphasizing "we will not tolerate people selling drugs to minors."
"This was a group of kids coming together, pooling their money to do mushrooms," Mitchell attorney Cynthia Ellington said. She and Martinez lawyer Harrison Long asked that their clients serve six months in jail, including time served.
Clark said there wasn't enough evidence to warrant prison terms.
"We've lost one life," Clark said. "I don't see that we have to ruin the lives of these two boys."
Nugent's family and friends left the courtroom, declining comment.
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I WAS THERE... AND FOR ALL YOU FUCKING IDIOTS OUT THERE, TALKING TRASH ABOUT A WONDERFUL AMAZING GIRL, "TIA".. YOU ARE AN IGNORANT HUMAN BEING. LETS GET SOME THINGS STRAIGHT... NEVER BELIEVE THE MEDIA FOR ONE!!! TIA WAS GOING TO BE A DOCTOR FOR GOD SAKE.. SHE WAS AN AMAZING PERSON... NEVER HAD ANYTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY. SHE WAS OUTGOING, AND OPEN-MINDED.. SHE THOUGHT LIKE EVERY OTHER TEENAGER, I AM INVISIBLE!!!! SHE WAS WRONG... BUT WHY SHOULD SHE BE PUNISHED FOR THAT. WE MAKE MISTAKES EVERYDAY OF ARE LIFE.. WHO ARE WE TO JUDGE SOMEONE'S ACTIONS. 100 POUND GIRL... 5'4.. SHE COULDN'T HANDLE WHAT SHE CONSUMED. SHE CONSUMED THEM ON HER OWN. SHE PURCHASED THEM ON HER OWN, AND SHE SWALLOWED THEM ON HER OWN. I KNOW TIA LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND... AND NOTHING WOULD OF CHANGED HER MIND THAT NIGHT. YES, I AGREE SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN WATCHING HER... SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE FOLLOWED HER, WHEN SHE RAN OFF. SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE SOBER ONE. BUT WHO WOULD HAVE KNOWN THE OUTCOME. WHO WOULD OF KNOWN THAT FUCKING SONDRA WOULDN'T GO AFTER HER, OR TELL HER BROTHER SHE RAN OFF, OR CHASED AFTER HER. WHO WOULD HAVE KNOWN... THAT HER "GOOD FRIEND" WOULD HELP BURY HER... IF ANYONE SHOULD BE GUILTY.. IT WOULD BE THE CHICK WHO WALKED BACK TO HER HOUSE AND FELL ASLEEP AFTER SHE WATCHED HER RUN OFF NAKED. ARE YOU PEOPLE STUPID.. WHO WOULD YOU BLAME?? I BLAME NO ONE.. NO MATTER WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE.. IT WASN'T.. AND HER ACTIONS RESULTED HER DEATH. TIA WAS FEARLESS, AND WHOULD HAVE HAD HER WAY SOME HOW!
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: motaman]
#5279000 - 02/08/06 08:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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if they had given her alcohol they'd be just as fucked.
Edited by wilshire (02/08/06 08:47 PM)
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wilshire
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl *update* [Re: veggie]
#5280989 - 02/09/06 10:08 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Two teenagers were sentenced to nine months in jail
if that happened around here it'd be more like 9 years.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: Alissa081504]
#5281081 - 02/09/06 10:33 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey everybody, lets all take a step back, a deep breath, and calm down, please. This tragic event is a direct result of the war on drugs. A life was lost and two lives ruined because the government lies to us about the dangers of the drugs they don't want us to take. The government wants to take responsibility for our lives, to protect us from ourselves... but when the government fails, they blame somebody else for their failure. Rather than play into the governments propaganda, we need to focus on what is important, a lost life, and show some compasion for one another.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: Seuss]
#5282516 - 02/09/06 05:40 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
The government wants to take responsibility for our lives, to protect us from ourselves... but when the government fails, they blame somebody else for their failure. Rather than play into the governments propaganda, we need to focus on what is important, a lost life, and show some compasion for one another.
Thank you Suess for bringing some calm insight into an emotional issue.
Many things about this kind of story are frustrating to me, without even knowing the people involved. If we lived in a society where people were better educated about the full spectrum of effects of these substances, these occurances would be rare. Look at the way misinformation can pull on one person. One side they hear the government saying magic mushrooms will make you do this and that, and think you can fly, and you will end up like this girl. On the other hand they have their friends saying, "nah thats just 'The Man' talking. Its a great time with lots of pretty colors and nothing can go wrong." Both sides of this argument are right and wrong in different areas, but the kid will most likely believe their friends. The problem is that the government destroys its credability in so many other ways, that there is really no reason for a kid to believe what the DEA says about mushrooms. I think we would benefit from unbiased education about psychedelics in an environment that was less hostile toward those who choose to ingest them.
Another extremely ugly part of American society that has shown itself in this case is the lack of personal responsibility. I am not referring to the girl who died, as I do not know the whole story. However, I do know that charging the two who sold her the mushrooms with manslaughter and a $12,000 fine is absurd. Since when can $24,000 buy a family a perfect replacement for their lost loved one? Thats the American justice system for ya: solve it with money and jail time
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: Alissa081504]
#5282642 - 02/09/06 06:18 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Alissa081504 said:
I BLAME NO ONE.. NO MATTER WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE.. IT WASN'T.. AND HER ACTIONS RESULTED HER DEATH.
Im not trying to be a dick but you just blamed her?
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: Stonerguy]
#5285391 - 02/10/06 11:46 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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nah thats more a statement of fact, she's just saying she ate mushrooms, bugged out, and was killed BY ACCIDENT. This was just a horrible accident, one that could have been prevented, but an accident just the same.
For all we know the guy who hit her could have been lying his ass off, it could have been all his fault but he was overlooked. No one will know, its safe to say for certain that she didn't die as a direct result from the chemical (OD), but had she been sober she would not have been in that situation. For all we know this guy could have been flipping radio stations and while drifting his car looking up only milliseconds before hitting the girl.
It doesnt make the pain any less, and it surely doesnt bring anyone back, but this was no one's fault. Psychedellics are funny drugs, they can be unpredicatable and even leave the most experienced user in a state which is uncomfortable. Ive seen somemone ive tripped wit 50+ times eat one EIGHTH of shrooms turn into a 3 yr old child who literally needed me to help take a piss.
Sad story indeed, my condolences, my best friend of 12 years passed away in 2002, my life hasnt been the same since.
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i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug*
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: coda]
#5288154 - 02/11/06 10:04 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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"People have learned from this," he said. "Her really close friends have learned from this. You can't do drugs. You can't even mess with drugs."
Get the fuck out of here, again targeting its the "drug" that caused this. Maybe people shouldnt just go around taking drugs, and X amounts of dosage assuming that everything will be fine. This is a sad story, but i do not think its the 2 peoples fault who provided to the girl, they DID not force her to take the drug, we all have choices in our life.......and she made a choice....obviously it was bad. BUT ITS NOT THE 2 kids fault, they simply had something...she wanted and obtained....and from there it was her responsibilty to know what to do with the item...correctly.
I wouldnt just walk into a car dealership and buy any car if it easily in my ability to obtain, id look into the pros and cons about the car...so i'd know what car id want to get and waht to expect from it.
People are seriosly fucking ridicouls some times, and everyone is always trying to point the finger at someone. No one TOLD HER TO TAKE IT, no one MADE HER take it, it was all her choice....Choice....something that we all have.
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: Alissa081504]
#5671292 - 05/25/06 02:51 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thank you for the post, my dear! I hope your doing well!! The truth is the truth and all of us who were directly effected by this tragedy know - the media AND the courts have had absolutely NO interest in the truth. The media and courts latched on to this tragedy like a drug addict, and proceeded to use and abuse EVERYONE involved without any concern for who they hurt in the process. Why did they think that causing everyone additional pain was the right thing to do??? As a mother, my heart aches for Tia's family. I understand a mothers worst fear of losing a child. My son has been attempting suicide since he was 10 years old as he was diagnosed many years ago with schizophrenia. Since this tragedy he now suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and severe Panic Attacks - we wakes up screaming in the middle of the night sweating and crying - the pictures of Tia taken from the scene of the accident that were shown to him will haunt and torture him forever. He tried to end his life AGAIN this past January. And NOBODY gives a damn - the District Attorney has been relentless in this case and will not rest until my son is in prison for this. I understand why the DA's office is concerned, if the rest of the story were to surface, if the witnesses didn't fear for their lives and came forward, the financial liability could be great. The upcoming election for Sheriff, DA and every single Judge probably wouldn't slide by the voters completely uncontested. Sorry about the ranting - thanks for sharing - it helped me to read it this evening - B had a really rough day. 
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Re: 2 teens charged in death of girl [Re: Alissa081504]
#5702852 - 06/02/06 04:32 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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This whole story really makes me sad. I hope everyone that deals thinks about this sort of thing. Know who your mushrooms are going to and have the courtesy to explain the realness of mushrooms. Also if you can't take an 1/8 and walk through town... you don't have the heart, wisdom and judgement to deal. If you can't handle tripping don't grow or deal. Karma will strike you like a theif in the nite.
I've turned down lots of people because I have a kind heart. I won't let certain types of people buy certain things. As it should be.
Theyre are so many beautiful young people out there that get lost all the time. It's so sad. It's because people don't care. Start caring... start caring about that person you see but never say hi to. It's sad so many people are alone with people right next to them. Tia was alone that day. Tias that nice girl or guy you never say hi to that ends up alone one day when it really matters. Be kind and care about the people around you .. When you realize that I am you how can you hate I .
and for the young man that gave the mushrooms to her... his thoughts at that moment are his judgement..... no one else is his judgement... for we judge ourselves with our actions. Will someone blame god for allowing pain and death to exist next? The boy is more tortured than Tia, I know this. It is through pain we learn to know joy.. its knowing dark that we see light.
Let Tia be both the light and the dark for those that read this. Know what destruction has been done in peoples lives and let that give the way to make a solid cornerstone. Build in the light.
and you young kids .... research and research before trying something new...... you have your entire future ahead of you . Truth and compassion will take you further than any substance. You still have your virtue when you die. The spirit lives on. Karma is .. as long as there is movement.
(I'm glad I found this article... It makes me think of a girl I see around... pretty and nice but its like shes alone even when shes surrounded. It's hard to be young. All it takes is a smile and asking how someone is doing... and sometimes it can change someones life. Go do it!)
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