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OfflineDivided_Sky
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Encouraging Al-Sadr
    #3088528 - 09/03/04 07:44 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

This is why we should have taken his ass out.


Al-Sadr Says U.S. Can't Defeat Militia

By ABDUL HUSSEIN AL-OBEIDI, Associated Press Writer

KUFA, Iraq - Rebel Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr declared U.S. forces can never defeat his Mahdi militia in a defiant speech read out to 2,000 supporters during the first Friday prayers since the end of a brutal three-week standoff with American troops.

Al-Sadr aides said the cleric initially planned to deliver the sermon himself from a makeshift pulpit on the street outside the Kufa mosque, which was closed last week after militants pulled out under the peace accord. But he abandoned the idea amid fears it could raise tensions.

Iraqi security forces sealed off roads and fired warning shots near the city in an effort to keep the jostling crowds in check.

"Many, but not all, think that the American army is invincible. But now it's appeared only truth is invincible," Sheik Jaber al-Khafaji, said in a statement read on al-Sadr's behalf. "America claims to control the world through globalization, but it couldn't do the same with the Mahdi Army."

Last week's accord that ended three weeks of fighting between U.S. forces and al-Sadr militiamen in Kufa's twin city of Najaf gave the interim government control of that city. It also disentangled U.S. forces from bitter street fighting while allowing al-Sadr and his militants to walk away free ? and keep their guns.

But al-Sadr portrayed the American withdrawal from Najaf's devastated Old City as a sign of U.S. military weakness. "We should keep in mind the lessons of what happened in Najaf," the cleric's statement said.

The remarks appeared intended to rally al-Sadr's forces. It was not clear whether they signaled a retreat from al-Sadr's commitment to talks between his envoys and the interim government of Prime Minister Ayad Allawi to stop weeks of clashes in the militant stronghold of Sadr City, a sprawling east Baghdad slum.

The cleric's public statements and subsequent actions have often been at odds. However, nothing in Friday's sermon suggested he was planning to immediately resume hostilities.

Al-Sadr has repeatedly rejected government demands that he disarm his militia, despite promises of millions of dollars in reconstruction aid for Sadr City. Calm returned to the neighborhood since talks began several days ago.

Friday's prayers had to be held on the street after al-Sadr handed over the mosque's keys to the office of Iraq (news - web sites)'s top Shiite cleric, which immediately shut its doors amid fears it could be reoccupied should fighting flare anew.

A sign pinned to the shrine's door simply said: "Closed for maintenance and cleaning."

On Friday, despite the turnout at the Kufa mosque, dozens of protesters in Najaf chanted slogans denouncing the cleric and blaming him for the destruction. They also demanded al-Sadr and his fighters leave the holy city once and for all, fearful of further unrest.

In the sermon read at Kufa, Al-Sadr also denounced the kidnapping of two French journalists as "inhumane" and added his voice to calls across the Muslim world for their immediate release.

"You should know that such actions are not part of the Iraqi resistance.They tarnish the image of the Iraqi resistance," he said.

Hopes grew that Christian Chesnot and Georges Malbrunot would be released after France's foreign minister said he had proof the pair was alive and one of their employers said they had been handed over to another, more moderate group.

In Baghdad, a spokesman for an influential Sunni clerical organization said Friday the hostages' lives were no longer threatened and it was only a matter of time before their release. Chesnot and Malbrunot were last heard from on Aug. 19 as they set off for Najaf. Their Syrian driver also vanished.

Militants waging a violent 16-month insurgency in Iraq have increasingly turned to kidnapping foreigners as part of an effort to drive out coalition forces and contractors.


Also Friday, several shells hit a checkpoint of the "Fallujah Brigade," a force initially created by the United States that has been patrolling the volatile city since April, security and hospital officials said. Four people died and six were wounded.

Capt. Majid Ahmad Salim, the Fallujah Brigade's commander in the southern part of the city, said the fire came from U.S. tanks outside the city. The U.S. military said they had no immediate information on the attack.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3088570 - 09/03/04 07:56 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Al-Sadr is fighting the good fight.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Zahid]
    #3088590 - 09/03/04 08:03 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hopefully that good fight will result in many holes in him.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3088676 - 09/03/04 08:17 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

with every U.S. military death I pray two rakats and thank Allah.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Zahid]
    #3088700 - 09/03/04 08:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

is it good to look so kindly on the death of men sent out to fight a war they did not start?


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Zahid]
    #3088702 - 09/03/04 08:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I love a religion that teaches it's followers to relish
the deaths of others.

that's awesome...it's so empowering!


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: vampirism]
    #3088717 - 09/03/04 08:25 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I also make Dua for Allah to frogive those soldiers, who are pawns of the U.S. government. Allah is Most Kind, and Understands the situations of all people.

But the Iraqis have no choice but to defend their country.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: afoaf]
    #3088720 - 09/03/04 08:26 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
I love a religion that teaches it's followers to relish
the deaths of others.

that's awesome...it's so empowering!




No one likes war, but sometimes it's needed.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Zahid]
    #3088766 - 09/03/04 08:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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with every U.S. military death I pray two rakats and thank Allah.




Why pray to something that doesn't exist? Look at the bright side, for every 2 deaths to Americans there's about 200 of the radical muslims.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3088784 - 09/03/04 08:39 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Innvertigo said:
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with every U.S. military death I pray two rakats and thank Allah.




Why pray to something that doesn't exist? Look at the bright side, for every 2 deaths to Americans there's about 200 of the radical muslims.




That's your personal belief that God doesn't exist.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Zahid]
    #3088794 - 09/03/04 08:41 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I don't believe in allah. Some don't believe in any god, i'm fine with that.

I don't believe in a god that condones murder.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3088833 - 09/03/04 08:49 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Allah doesn't condone murder.

This is why I call you a bigot, because you say He does like some ignorant Evangelical.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Zahid]
    #3088839 - 09/03/04 08:52 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Allah doesn't condone murder.

This is why I call you a bigot, because you say He does like some ignorant Evangelical.




you can call me anything you'd like but facts are facts, then again they don't call it murder, it's more like martyrdom.

PS. Sticks and stones....you know the rest. :thumbup:


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3088853 - 09/03/04 08:55 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Islam doesn't support the killing of innocent people.

God, you can't even debate THAT with me. Evangelicans and apologists at least try prove their point.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Zahid]
    #3088946 - 09/03/04 09:14 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

But many muslims do and many support what's happening in the name of allah, and THAT can't be debated.

You're living in denial.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3088955 - 09/03/04 09:16 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Then those Muslims are supporting un-Islamic activity.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Zahid]
    #3088968 - 09/03/04 09:19 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

That's your view, which I agree with but that's easy to say when you're in Canada and not living among them. Why don't the masses protest what these groups are doing to your religion?


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3088978 - 09/03/04 09:21 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

With every post, you're exposing yourself: You believe that True Islam supports acts of terrorism, when True Islam condemns it.

Like all bigots, they do not believe they are bigoted.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Zahid]
    #3088988 - 09/03/04 09:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

did you not read my replies? I'm guessing you're just dening it. I don't know how much more clear I can make it. You've never answered why the masses support these action. The bigots live amongst them, many of them using your religion as a shield.

You can call me anything you'd like, that's fine, but know that you are denying the very fact that what I say IS happening wether you want to see it or not.


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Re: Encouraging Al-Sadr [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3088996 - 09/03/04 09:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Let's take this one step at a time.

Islam does not condone the killing of innocent people.

Please REFUTE that.


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