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Bush: war criminal
    #3085786 - 09/03/04 03:36 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

It is estimated that already about 300 tons of radioactive debris from DU weapons were deposited in target areas during the 2003 Iraq War, affecting over 250,000 Iraqis. By comparison, Saddam Hussein -- who Bush had called an evil murderer -- gassed about 5,000 Iraqi Kurds in 1988. But by Bush launching his war on Iraq with DU weapons of mass destruction, he multiplied the casualties to the Iraqis, and also to American troops, by factors of hundreds relative to the infamous gassing of the Kurds.

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=604

When this war ends, George Bush will have caused the poisoning of hundreds of thousands more humans than he said Saddam Hussein poisoned.
By Frederick Sweet

In its 110,000 air raids against Iraq, the US A-10 Warthog aircraft launched 940,000 depleted uranium shells, and in the land offensive, its M60, M1 and M1A1 tanks fired a further 4,000 larger caliber also uranium shells. The Bush administration and the Pentagon said, there is no danger to American troops or Iraqi civilians from breathing the uranium oxide dust produced in depleted uranium (DU) weapons explosions.

DU is the waste residue made from the uranium enrichment process. This radioactive and toxic substance, 1.7 times as dense as lead, is used to make shells that penetrate steel armor.

Last July, two military DU weapons experts Dr Doug Rokke and George A. Parker, veterans of the Gulf War, issued a public warning against using these radioactive weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. [for full text, see: http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/01/50000.html] Rokke had been U.S. Army's DU team health physicist and U.S. Army's DU Project Director. Former British Army Sgt. Parker had been with the 1st Field Laboratory Unit, Biological-Warfare Detection Unit at Porton Down in Great Britain. His job had been management in the Gulf War of troop protection against weapons of mass destruction.

Dr. Rokke warned:

"Depleted uranium munitions (DU) have been used effectively in combat since 1973. Their destructive capabilities are absolutely superior to any other known munitions that can be fired by tanks, armored vehicles, aircraft, and rifles. In addition the ADAM and PDM, which are land mines, are essentially conventional explosives wrapped in shell containing uranium or a 'dirty bomb.' Although DU munitions are an excellent weapon, they leave a path of death, illness, and environmental contamination. The radiological and chemical toxicity are due to uranium, plutonium, neptunium, and americium isotopes within each DU bullet. We also have all of the inherent contamination from the equipment, terrain, and facilities that were destroyed."

"Upon the completion of the ground combat phase of the Gulf war, I was assigned by Headquarters Department of the Army and consequently the U.S. Central Command to clean up the depleted uranium contaminated U.S. equipment and provide initial medical recommendations for all individuals who were or may have been exposed as a consequence of military actions."

"Our initial observations of the DU contamination can be summed simply by three words 'OH MY GOD!' Although my mission was limited to U.S. personnel and equipment all affected persons and equipment should have been processed identically. They were not! Although I and U.S. Army physicians assigned to the 3rd U.S. Army Medical Command issued immediate verbal and written medical care recommendations those still have not been complied with for not only all U.S. and coalition military DU casualties but for Iraqi military personnel and especially noncombatants, women and children, who were exposed to DU munitions contamination."

"A United States Defense Nuclear Agency memorandum written by LTC Lyle that was sent to our team in Saudi Arabia during March 1990 stated that quote: 'As Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD), ground combat units, and civil populations of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Iraq come increasingly into contact with DU ordnance, we must prepare to deal with potential problems. Toxic war souvenirs, political furor, and post conflict clean up (host nation agreement) are only some of the issues that must be addressed. Alpha particles (uranium oxide dust) from expended rounds is a health concern but, Beta particles from fragments and intact rounds is a serious health threat, with possible exposure rates of 200 millirads per hour on contact.' end [of] quote."

Referring to Dr. Rokke's comments, Sgt. Parker concluded:

"I am now aware that armed forces personnel are considered as disposable items. Something to be used abused and then discarded when broken. Further more, when made ill by the use of politically sensitive weapons such as DU they are an expensive embarrassment to be silenced when voicing concerns."

"It is my sincere and heart felt belief that until such time as the UK and US governments can properly care for ill and dying veterans of war, they should refrain from deploying members of the armed forces overseas."

Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, an opponent of DU weapons use since 1996, again raised his call for a ban on the use of these weapons in 2001. Since then DU weapons conferences, ironically, in Baghdad in 1999 and Gijon, Spain in 2000 had demanded a ban on DU use. "This new outbreak of leukemia among European [NATO] soldiers has reinforced what we said before," said Clark from New York in January 2001. "Is it acceptable by any human standards that we would permit one shell of depleted uranium to be manufactured, to be stored, to be used? No! Stop it now!"

According to a May 2003 article in the Christian Science Monitor, the first partial Pentagon disclosure of the amount of DU used in Iraq, a US Central Command spokesman admitted that A-10 Warthog aircraft -- the same planes that shot at the Iraqi planning ministry -- fired 300,000 bullets. The normal combat mix for these 30-mm rounds is five DU bullets to 1 -- a mix that had left about 75 tons of DU in Iraq.

A Monitor reporter had seen only one site where US troops had put up handwritten warnings in Arabic for Iraqis to stay away. A 3-foot-long DU warhead from a 120-mm tank shell had been found to produce radiation at more than 1,300 times background levels.

Many scientists believe that uranium oxide dust inhaled or ingested by troops in the Gulf War is the cause, or a contributing cause, of the "Gulf-War Syndrome". Of the approximately 697,000 U.S. troops stationed in the Gulf during the war, more than 100,000 veterans are now chronically ill. Cancer rates in southern Iraq have increased dramatically. For example ovarian cancer in Iraqi women of the southern region has fully increased by 16-fold.

More recently, Bush's and the Pentagon's reassurances were vigorously challenged by nuclear physicists and physicians at a scientific meeting, the World DU/Uranium Weapons Conference held in Hamburg, Germany during October 2003. New data suggest that orders of magnitude more Americans and Iraqis may have been poisoned by uranium from depleted uranium (DU) weapons explosions than Kurds had been killed by Saddam's gas in 1988. Review in Hamburg of the long term medical effects from DU exposures during the 1990s in Kosovo, Sarajevo, southern Iraq and from American veterans of the Gulf War reveal a frightening reality.

Conference scientists criticized as decades obsolete the Pentagon models used for reassuring the public about the long-term effects of inhaling uranium oxide particles from DU weapons. Citing the Pentagon model, the official 2003 Conference Statement concluded: "The knowledge on which this [Pentagon] model is based is faulty and outdated. This is like comparing [someone] sitting in front of a fire with [them] eating a hot coal."

According to the Conference, the mobility of the ceramic uranium oxide particles from DU weapons explosions is due to their re-suspension in dry weather. Measuring isotope ratios of U-238 and Pa-234m/Th-234 in water and air measurements by UNEP in Kosovo, Bosnia and Montenegro has showed this. Uranium oxide particles are available for inhalation long after the war is over. Anyone in the general area of their prior use is at risk, several years after their use or contamination. This had been proven by urine measurements in Kosovo in 2001. All of the people sampled showed contamination from DU. This was also shown by urine tests of Gulf War veterans made 10 years after their exposure.

After the Gulf War, Iraqi and international epidemiological investigations enabled the environmental pollution due to using this kind of weapon to be associated with the appearance of new, very difficult to diagnose diseases (serious immunodeficiencies, for instance) and the spectacular increase in congenital malformations and cancer. This had been found both in the Iraqi population and also among several thousands of American and British veterans and in their children, a clinical condition now called Gulf War Syndrome. Similar symptoms to those of the Gulf War have been described for a thousand children living in Bosnia where American aviation similarly used DU bombs in 1996, the same as in the NATO intervention against Yugoslavia in 1999.

It is estimated that already some 300 tons of radioactive debris from DU weapons had been deposited in target areas during the 2003 Iraq War, affecting over 250,000 Iraqis. By comparison, Saddam Hussein -- who Bush had called an evil murderer -- only gassed about 5,000 Iraqi Kurds in 1988. But by Bush launching his war on Iraq with DU weapons of mass destruction, he multiplied the casualties to the Iraqis, and also to American troops, by factors of hundreds relative to the infamous gassing of the Kurds. Therefore, by the time American troops leave Iraq Bush will very likely have poisoned hundreds of thousands more humans than he had accused Saddam Hussein of poisoning.


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Adamist]
    #3109222 - 09/08/04 07:06 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Alot to fucken read there, which is probably why nobody cared to reply in this one as much as they could have.

Down with the States basicly. I really want to see them clean up thier image in the comming years, but it will take alot.


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Adamist]
    #3109757 - 09/08/04 08:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Bush dishes out alot more than he can swallow thats for sure.


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Adamist]
    #3109793 - 09/08/04 08:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

It saved a lot of lives by ending the war quickly. You forgot to mention Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. Note that no americans are standing trial for war crimes anywhere so the rest of the world approved of the war. Depleted uranium is less poisonous than Islam. Why do you let Islam exist?



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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Adamist]
    #3109818 - 09/08/04 09:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Read what this Islamic cleric is saying:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2829059.stm


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3109851 - 09/08/04 09:09 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Adamist]
    #3110007 - 09/08/04 09:43 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Adamist]
    #3110026 - 09/08/04 09:49 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

See what the Iraqis are saying:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=1705

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=2396

This is the best proof that shows that the lefists are full of shit.


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3110061 - 09/08/04 09:56 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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It saved a lot of lives by ending the war quickly.




uhhhhhhhhhhhh.....newsflash: the war is not over.

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You forgot to mention Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait.




ummmm, yeah thats why we went to war the first time.


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Note that no americans are standing trial for war crimes anywhere so the rest of the world approved of the war.



note that no victor has ever stood trial for war crimes.


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Tao]
    #3110078 - 09/08/04 10:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

See what the Iraqis are saying:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=1705

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=2396

This is the best proof that shows that the lefists are full of shit.


Siversoul7, I will do everything you don't want me to do.


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3110089 - 09/08/04 10:05 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/kalat.asp

This is the best proof of the depth of your gullibility.


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Adamist]
    #3110099 - 09/08/04 10:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Iraq pilgrims in Saudi thank God for Saddam's fall

26.01.2004 2.33 pm

JEDDAH - Joyful Iraqi pilgrims arriving in Saudi Arabia on Sunday said they would thank God for ending the rule of Saddam Hussein in prayers during haj pilgrimage but other Arabs were thinking of the US occupation.

"I hope God will give Iraq strength and make it strong and united after all these years of pain, sickness and war," said Thabet Karim Jassem of Baghdad, part of 300 Iraqis who arrived at a haj terminal in the port city of Jeddah, near Mecca.

Jassem was among thousands of Iraqis that had been stranded on the Kuwait-Iraq border last week over visa problems.

More than 32,000 Iraqis were chosen by lottery to perform the haj this year, the first pilgrimage for post-Saddam Iraq.

"We remained nine days at the border, it was a very miserable time for thousands," said Bakkar Rasoul, a Kurdish eye doctor from Suleimaniya. "But I am really happy that we are free and God helped us to visit Mecca."

"I and many people are thankful towards the United States because they were able to release us and we will definitely never forget. I don't think any Muslim can forget this," he said, standing by Kurdish and Iraqi flags beside the Iraqi pilgrims.

Last year's US-led invasion of Iraq to oust Saddam Hussein turned Saudi Arabia's northern neighbour into a magnet for Islamist militants who are also targeting Saudi rule in the birthplace of Islam.

Diplomats say the Saudi government is worried the haj could be the target of attack -- undermining a pillar of the ruling family's authority -- or that militants could exploit the huge influx to infiltrate the kingdom from abroad.

This year's haj is the first since a series of suicide bombings in the capital Riyadh blamed on Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network and which killed more than 50 people.

Speaking to pan-Arab television Al Arabiya on Sunday, Defence Minister Prince Sultan warned "anyone who thinks of harming Muslims" and that pilgrims were the "guests of God".

Most of the 1.2 million pilgrims expected from abroad have already arrived at the huge tented haj terminal, airport official Mahmoud Hassouba said. Around 60,000 arrive daily.

The rest of the two million pilgrims expected to perform haj this year will be residents of the kingdom.

The airport was a sea of thousands of Muslims from all over the world in white robes, sign of a state of ritual purity known as "ihram". The main rites of the five-day pilgrimage begin on Friday.

Haj, first undertaken by the Prophet Mohammad 14 centuries ago, is an obligation for every able-bodied Muslim.

- REUTERS



http://www.nzherald.co.nz/latestnewsstor...ubsection=world


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: silversoul7]
    #3110123 - 09/08/04 10:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/kalat.asp

This is the best proof of the depth of your gullibility.




Just for that I'm writing my congressman and encouraging him to do something right wing. You believe all of this leftist propaganda so you are as gullible.


Edited by Great_Satan (09/08/04 10:14 PM)


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3110128 - 09/08/04 10:14 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:rotfl:


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3110145 - 09/08/04 10:17 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Great_Satan said:
See what the Iraqis are saying:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=1705

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=2396

This is the best proof that shows that the lefists are full of shit.






Well that's nothing compared to what the afghanis did


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: silversoul7]
    #3110150 - 09/08/04 10:18 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Don't feed the bears.  :wink:


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: silversoul7]
    #3110155 - 09/08/04 10:19 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Its impossible to discuss any problems with the left wing people. They just constantly throw around the blame and don't discuss reasonable solutions. Kerry voted for the Iraq war, yet many of you think he should be president. This shows you have faulty reasoning abilities. None of you know anything about radioactivity, either. You probably don't even know there is background radiation everywhere. Before I decide to believe this nonsense about depleted uranium can you tell me how much REMs there is in various areas in Iraq? If you can't answer that then your argument is Bullshit.


Edited by Great_Satan (09/08/04 10:20 PM)


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3110166 - 09/08/04 10:21 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Zahid is a religious fundamentalist so his opinions on anything is worthless. He doesn't even believe in evolution.



"So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." - John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. - John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Tao]
    #3110185 - 09/08/04 10:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

TaoTeChing said:
Quote:

Great_Satan said:
See what the Iraqis are saying:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=1705

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/showthread.php?t=2396


This is the best proof that shows that the lefists are full of shit.






Well that's nothing compared to what the afghanis did






The Taliban knocked down that largest Buddhist statue. NATO forces went to war with them.


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Re: Bush: war criminal [Re: Adamist]
    #3110192 - 09/08/04 10:26 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I have some uranium. You want me to go to other countries and do some terrorism? How about if I bring some anthrax over to your country?


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