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OfflinePhred
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Journalism at its finest
    #3084546 - 09/02/04 10:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

qando.net has a classic Fisking of a recent Globe and Mail article at their site. From http://qando.net/archives/003966.htm (the article at this link has many embedded links covering almost all the important talking points)

Inventing Excuses Already...
Posted by Jon Henke



Well, the Globe and Mail--a Canadian newspaper--seems to be working on the first draft of the Talking Points in case Kerry loses. This article is notable for getting almost everything wrong. For starters, the title....

Quote:

Ads attack Kerry's patriotism



Of course, if you read the transcript of the ad in question, you'll find nothing at all about patriotism. Oh, sure...they're upset with the way he treated his "symbols" (read: medals/ribbons), but there's a very notable paucity of anything about his patriotism.

Fortunately, the Globe and Mail is not subject to journalistic anachronisms like "reporting the facts" or "accuracy". They didn't say anything about Kerry's "patriotism", but the ad did contain many of the same letters, so they're running with it.

Quote:

Officially, a new television attack ad questioning Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's war record had nothing to do with the Republicans. But on the floor and in the corridors of the Republican National Convention at Madison Square Garden in New York yesterday, delegates enthusiastically embraced the cause.



Officially, the Globe and Mail had nothing to do with the terrorist attack on schoolchildren in Russia, but they quickly ran with the story.

Or, to put it another way: "Officially, a new ad had nothing to do with the Bush/Cheney campaign. But some Republicans who are not affiliated with the campaign like it."

Is it really "news" that Republicans embrace ads that paint their opponent in a negative light? Or is the Globe and Mail just damning by association....you know "sexing it up" in the parlance of their peer across the pond?

Quote:

The ad, sponsored by the same shadowy group of veterans who have been dogging the Democrat's campaign for weeks....



"Shadowy". These guys have a website--now available in Canada!--with an "About Us" page and everything. This "shadowy group" even signs their names to the letters they send to John Kerry.

Who could they be?!?!

Quote:

...highlights a 1971 incident in which the young Mr. Kerry, just returned from naval service in Vietnam, reportedly threw away his medals and ribbons to protest against the war.




"Reportedly"? Well, except for the fact that it's not just "reportedly" and he didn't--even "reportedly"--throw away his medals, that's exactly right. Which is to say, it's almost--but not quite--totally wrong. As John Kerry said...

Quote:

"The point of the exercise was to symbolically give something up," Kerry recalled in his defense. "I chose my ribbons, which is what many of the veterans did."



Of course, while that information is readily available at John Kerry's site, it seems apparent that fact-checking is not a, let's say, Top 10 priority at the Globe and Mail.

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Re: Journalism at its finest [Re: Phred]
    #3085121 - 09/03/04 12:36 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting post.


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Re: Journalism at its finest [Re: Phred]
    #3085396 - 09/03/04 01:52 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Shadowy". These guys have a website

They have a website?!! Wow, they must be trustworthy! Islamist guys beheading people have websites too.

If you don't find a guy with the history of John O'Neil shadowy there's something wrong.


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Re: Journalism at its finest [Re: Xlea321]
    #3085422 - 09/03/04 02:00 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Journalism at its finest [Re: Phred]
    #3085472 - 09/03/04 02:13 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

wow dude thats fucking awesome , kerry might have thrown medals, ribbons, vietnam bal blah blah ...funny how all these repubs just attack attack attak :lol: lets hear what ur president has done so well in the past 4 years... spend less time worrying about vietnam a place gwb couldnt even locate on a fucking map ...worry about whats happening now ya know how we have a jesus loving inbred hick for a leader ....a president that can barely speak english if its not written down for him


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Re: Journalism at its finest [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3085518 - 09/03/04 02:28 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

What has Kerry done while he was in the senate?
Not what hase he done well, but what has he done period? He never seems to mention it.

Edit: Just to answer your question the only thing I think Bush has done really well on in the last four years is the war on terror.


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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


Edited by z@z.com (09/03/04 02:29 AM)


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Re: Journalism at its finest [Re: z@z.com]
    #3085543 - 09/03/04 02:33 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

yeah what a great job some saudi assholes based in afanistna (sorry oim wasted) knock down the towers and we attack iraq...what a good job that fuckass has done...im sooooooooooooooooooooo much safer now  :thumbdown: get a clue


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Re: Journalism at its finest [Re: Phred]
    #3085673 - 09/03/04 03:11 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

"Of course, if you read the transcript of the ad in question, you'll find nothing at all about patriotism."

Ads, there's not just one ad in question here.

"Is it really "news" that Republicans embrace ads that paint their opponent in a negative light? Or is the Globe and Mail just damning by association....you know "sexing it up" in the parlance of their peer across the pond?"

It's worth mentioning because the ads are definately going to have an effect on public opinion.

""Shadowy". These guys have a website--now available in Canada!--with an "About Us" page and everything. This "shadowy group" even signs their names to the letters they send to John Kerry."

They just used the term shadowy, which could mean a few different things... in this case it obviously doesn't mean that they are hiding their identities, sure the choice of words may not be perfect, but they weren't claiming anything of the sort. This guy is just trying to make it look like they did. He's trying to make a poor choice of words look like a lie, when it doesn't come anywhere near it.

""Reportedly"? Well, except for the fact that it's not just "reportedly" and he didn't--even "reportedly"--throw away his medals, that's exactly right."

Reportedly means that at some point, he was said to have thrown away his medals, which is 100% true, that is something that was reported.

Here's the actual story, it's not exactly an outlandish piece, and the focus really has nothing to do with whether he threw his medals away or not:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/A...onal/TopStories

I couldn't help but notice that the only quotes they took were from the first two paragraphs... of a 14 paragraph article. Did they even bother to read the whole thing?


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