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OfflineDivided_Sky
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Do Protestors Value Free Speech?
    #3078717 - 09/01/04 06:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

The Democrats had their convention, and their opportunity to present their message to the public. Now the it's the Republicans turn and and we see protestors trying to storm the RNC and shout down the speakers. The goal of most of the groups seems to be to use their protests to drown out and overshadow the Republican's conventions. Given that they have already had their say, and nobody tried to disrupt the Democratic and Green Party conventions, doesn't it seem a little unfair to attempt to suppress Republicans rights to deliver their own message?

Take for example the protests at the FOX news headquarters: protestors were using their 1st Amendment rights to demand that FOX be shut down and taken off the air. The irony is telling.

Do the protestors have any respect for the rights of others, that they themselves exploit so heavily?


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078733 - 09/01/04 06:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

No.
They're not supressing their Republican rights to deliver a message.

When your government treats you with no respect, you're more than welcome to treat political parties who made it that way without respect. They are breaking no laws.


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078736 - 09/01/04 06:47 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe if the Republican convention wasn't subsidized with taxpayer dollars I would sympathize. In actuality though, I couldn't give a shit less if the masses drown out every single word spoken at that infomercial factory.


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Ancalagon]
    #3078752 - 09/01/04 06:52 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

if i thought it would make a difference, i would protest both conventions.


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078758 - 09/01/04 06:54 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well it seems like both of you (not Bleak) are saying that free speech only matters if you agree with what is being said.


Edited by Divided_Sky (09/01/04 06:57 PM)


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: vampirism]
    #3078772 - 09/01/04 06:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Morrowind said:
No.
They're not supressing their Republican rights to deliver a message.

When your government treats you with no respect, you're more than welcome to treat political parties who made it that way without respect. They are breaking no laws.




If they blockade the streets with 'Die-Ins' and break into the convention hall yelling at the delegates and waiving signs, wouldn't you say they are treating they are not respecting republicans rights to voice their opinions?


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078780 - 09/01/04 06:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Well it seems like both of you are saying that free speech only matters if you agree with what is being said.



My money is being unconstitutionally diverted to these COMPLETELY worthless conventions. When the conventions are funded privately, I will start defending your position.


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078785 - 09/01/04 06:58 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Ammendment I of the US Constitution says:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.



Their goal is to protest the presidency of George W Bush. They have every right to do so. If no one tried to disrupt the Democratic convention, it was because no one chose to.

As for the Fox News protestors, I don't know whether or not they were asking the government to intervene, but if they weren't, then there is no irony there. Free speech includes the right to speak out against other people's views, as long as it does not involve force.


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078804 - 09/01/04 07:04 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well then I have to ask, what do you think about Michael Moore and the Dixie Chicks complaining about not having free speech when people criticized them?


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3078814 - 09/01/04 07:05 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

They do not have the right to interfere with the course of other people's business, whether it involves blocking traffic or bumrushing the Chris Matthews show. YOUR rights end at the tip of MY nose. How about the next time you go to a concert and I bring a bullhorn and scream through the whole thing about atheism being the only true religion? I'm exercising my free speech rights and my freedom of religion. Even better, I'll bring some like-minded friends and we'll be exercising our right to peacably assemble as well


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078817 - 09/01/04 07:06 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

No,

I say God bless 'em. They're not breaking any laws. This country was founded in blood and revolution, it's a pity no revolutionary values still remain.


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3078846 - 09/01/04 07:12 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
They do not have the right to interfere with the course of other people's business, whether it involves blocking traffic or bumrushing the Chris Matthews show. YOUR rights end at the tip of MY nose. How about the next time you go to a concert and I bring a bullhorn and scream through the whole thing about atheism being the only true religion? I'm exercising my free speech rights and my freedom of religion. Even better, I'll bring some like-minded friends and we'll be exercising our right to peacably assemble as well




this is a sketchy line..
where does interference begin?
maybe i block traffic because im tired of breathing exhaust and i want it to stop?


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: BleaK]
    #3078885 - 09/01/04 07:20 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

It is not for you to impose your will upon others who are clearly willing to accept the adverse effects of auto exhaust for the benefits that lead to their emission. No one is emitting exhaust for the sake of the exhaust. The vast majority of the people who live in the city have decided to accept the exhaust as a consequence of their lifestyle. It is a cost of the benefits. You can always move to the land of crickets if it bothers you so much. You do not have a right to the benefits of city living without accepting the costs. There is no free lunch. Tough shit and get off the street before I run you over.


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078890 - 09/01/04 07:22 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

you &*($&%($&%(#%&%(*$(% of course they value they're rights. if they werent allowed to protest that would be a travesty. its your fault that no right wing loonies picketed the DNC. i saw a report that most DNC protestors were farther left than the democrats. this is the most corrupt administration we've had in years and theyr're letting em know it...better believe if i ddint hae school id be there with em.


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078898 - 09/01/04 07:24 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe it just shows one side is more delusional and hostile than the other.


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078915 - 09/01/04 07:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Divided_Sky said:
Maybe it just shows one side is more delusional and hostile than the other.



Or maybe it's because one side is running an incumbent who already has a four-year record as the worst president since Nixon(possibly even more so).


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3078942 - 09/01/04 07:35 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe it's just the lefty loons who have too much free time on their hands while everybody else is busy WORKING (what a fucking concept, that). The people who show up for these protests should never be construed as representative of anything except the idle elite. They are largely inveterate navel gazers.


"if I ddidn't hae school id be there with em." Indeed. What was that school, summer remedial English or Thought?


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3078946 - 09/01/04 07:37 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

yeah the left really supports the elite  :rolleyes: haha we are the coporate whores :rolleyes:


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3078965 - 09/01/04 07:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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KingOftheThing said:
yeah the left really supports the elite  :rolleyes: haha we are the coporate whores :rolleyes:




So perhaps you could remind us, who paid for the Democratic Convention?


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Re: Do Protestors Value Free Speech? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3078984 - 09/01/04 07:43 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

By the "elite " I am referring to the coastal and national media, your professors, and the trust fund slackers who seem to overwhelmimgly populate the ranks of the protestors. I am also being facetious about the term.


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