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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3030072 - 08/20/04 07:55 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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So without implying any dualism at all, I can say that I see alot of suffering over there, and here. I see anger in N.America, I see anger in Shroomery, I see confusion in this post, and I'll even admit that I'm confused.




Not half as much as I am. I'm missing your point here.
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All I ask is if you can sympathise with people that suffer, reguardless of the politics. This just proves that once you throw politics into the question (which I did) that suffering becomes obsolete ansd shrouded as all of us get caught up in blaming each side, and implying the difficult to avoid dualistic opinion.




Do I wish that they weren't suffering? Sure I do. Do I think that your post which focused solely on the suffering of "them" reflects your opinion that it's the fault o the US? Sure I do.

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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3030084 - 08/20/04 08:00 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Northernsoul said:
So without implying any dualism at all, I can say that I see alot of suffering over there, and here. I see anger in N.America, I see anger in Shroomery, I see confusion in this post, and I'll even admit that I'm confused.




No dualism ? Not blaming anyone? Lets see this in action...
Anyone here sympathise with the middle east and the way they are forced to take it the way they do by the U.S.?
Seems like you aren't trying to show universal suffering, but show that these people have a right to hate us.

Do you sympathise with them, and them hating the U.S. in this day and age?

I thought that you were talking about ending suffering and being compassionate to all that are suffering, not just another anti-US rant.

I'd go on, but I'm trying to reply to alot o fposts.

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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: retread]
    #3065944 - 08/29/04 05:04 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

America has alot more anti-US people than ever before in the world. Even in thier own country they are anti-US, the soldiers, some of them are very anti-US. And the US deserves it! Its thier own fault! Now they have to live with thier mistakes, and all the harsh comments that come with it. So live with it! Its because they invaded Iraq for no reason,(among many other things that built up there anger even before the invasion!) end of story!

Edited by Northernsoul (08/29/04 05:11 PM)

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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3066047 - 08/29/04 05:31 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Nicely incoherent post. I'm sure you edited it for increased clarity and wit.


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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3066228 - 08/29/04 06:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

lol, good one :smile:

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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3066464 - 08/29/04 07:37 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Again, Northern, please clarify which US you're talking about.



And yes, I completely agree with both you and SS7.

:usa: :hellfire: :usa:

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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3066645 - 08/29/04 08:11 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

yes i simpathize anyone who is violently hurt and is innocent. I see where you are coming from and a share similair views. One action which seemed to pass through peoples minds easily was the fact that the U.S. Bombed Iraq killing 10 thousand (probally more fox news bullshits) Innocent people. Im not sure as to why they did this, some people say it was to get saddam out. But if you were an evil dictator testing chemicals weapons on 'your' people, would you care if a bully like the U.S. came and killed off another 10 thousand people? NO!!! I would say f*ck em lets get me the f*ck out of here!!!  And think about the aftermath. How many angry ignorant enemys were affected by the bombings; how many innocent kids lost their parents and vise-versa. All bush did was make more evil enemys out of the bombings. And people wonder where AL-quada gets all its new recruits from. Not to mention the militant group who opposes the U.S. Why do the oppose them, well being very ignorant religously cultivated people makes them very passionate and extreme (suicide bombings?). Once you've lost hope for the future what do you turn to? Revenge whoever took the hope away, in this case Being the U.S of A.
We have the wrong people in power. We strive to find a candidate who is pro-his/her country. But we should be voting for people who have knowledge of our own country but have even more knowledge about cultures from around the world. Making face offs like these ending up being positive in the end, unlike the war in iraq.
Any ways thats my rant, Peace Argument Junkies---- :cool:

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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3067081 - 08/29/04 10:01 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

As it turned out, only 3,300 innocent people were killed by the bombings according the western media tallies, although there were probobly 10,000 or more combatants killed. Those tallies were often fairly uncritical in how their figures were reached and judging who was actually a combatant and who was a civilian. The US army put it at about 1,500-2,000, I would assume that means it was between 2,000 and 3,000.
I've seen the number change from 5,000 to 8,000 and now 10,000 on left wing websites, but as far as I know no credible source ever verified this. Somebody made an exagerated guess and the next thing everybody you know everyone is siting the number.

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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3070379 - 08/30/04 05:59 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Nicely incoherent post. I'm sure you edited it for increased clarity and wit.




Yeah, thats a funny one. I'm gonna have to steal that one from you sometime:) I just say what needs to be said. You can deny the mistakes, ignore the problems, hide behind patriotism, but it is the way it is, and America has greatly lost alot of thier integrity and natuaraly it's gotta be painfull for everyone. But it's never too late to change.
But do they have to hit rock bottom before America does change? I hope not, but at the same time, I have the feeling that it takes alot more than secret wars, vietnam wars, and Invasions based on lies to change the attitude of this stubren, ignorant, selfish, and greedy-in-the-name-of-"Democracy"-American-Goverment.

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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3070631 - 08/30/04 07:02 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: BleaK]
    #3074920 - 08/31/04 05:04 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

A bigger problem waiting to be solved is N.Korea and Iran. But the states knows that it would be a huge REAL war, and they just wont sacrifice 100,000 troops untill they have to. Probably wont untill N.Korea bombs some country with a nuke.

But anyways, this threads more than fizzled out.


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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: Northernsoul]
    #3075252 - 08/31/04 06:35 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

no one needs a right to hate anyone, there is no such thing as rights. Rights are nothing more than permissions given by men to other men to make them feel free. Hate is an emotion that cannot be given or taken away, you cannot make someone hate or love someone else, it is impossible.
Now to the point of the thread, I might not think their thinking and feelings are right, but I do understand where they are coming from. No matter how you put it, we are the invaders in their homeland, and were anyone to invade this country whether it be for right or wrong, I don't think most people living here would like it, and when they see pictures like those from Abu Ghraib prison, they begin to see our occupation of their country not as humanitarian but as oppression. I completely support our soldiers, they are just doing their jobs, but I do not support our occupation of Iraq, and I understand their fighting back, as I would do the same if it were here that was invaded.
As for Israel, I sympathize with both sides of the issue. I sympathize with the Palestinians for they are a people without a land, and I sympathize with the Israelis because they are a people who have been without a land for many many generations and are trying to carve out a nation that they can call home. I just wish that they could both learn to live together peacefully.
I sympathize with any victims of terror, but I know that although September 11 touched a great many people aside from the victims, I can say that I have no connection with those victims that I am aware of and I deserve no sympathy, especially when compared to any of these peoples I have mentioned, and I offer no sympathy to the majority of Americans who have no connection to any of these people. I don't care if any of you are angered at my words, I have no sympathy for most you and to see knee jerk reactions from most of these reactionary people is no more than a travesty in the face of the tragedy that occurred 3 years ago. People who use that memory to condone an unprovoked invasion of a sovereign nation should be ashamed of themselves.
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Re: Middle Eastern Reality. Can you sympathise with them? [Re: thieverycorp]
    #3078540 - 09/01/04 03:39 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting words, thanks.


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