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 Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon  [Re: Shroomism]
#3086948 - 09/03/04 10:53 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Still, it doesn't look like enough damage from a 757 hitting at full impact."
I'm not entirely sure you're an expert on that...
"If the wings hit the bottom, and didn't penetrate the walls like the rest of the plane.. then where did they go? "
Look carefully at the bottom of the building on the last picture, it's clear that the damage stretches out, the wings are much lighter and have far less momentum that the rest of the plane, they would be torn to shreds in an instant, while the rest of the plane would continue into the middle part of the building, along with all the fuel, and that's where the incineration would occur, not on the lawn. That's why so much of the building needed to be replaced, because of the massive fire that resulted. The smaller holes inside the building would be lined up with the center of gravity of the airplane.
If those small holes were caused by a missle, you'd see an identical small hole in the front of the building, they'd line up until the point inside the building where the missle detonated. Of course, I'm no expert, but I'm not sure that a missle would make it that far into the building before detonating. A 757 is much large and would have far more momentum; the fuel was able to ignite and spread throughout the building, after considerable damage was done to the front, and some part of the plane continued in and smashed holes in the other walls. I have a feeling that a missle would hit the first wall and explode, causing a lot of damage to it, and probably scorching the lawn in front.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Phluck]
#3087162 - 09/03/04 11:38 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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did you know that they confiscated security tapes from the
oklahoma city federal building within hours of the bombing?
these were federal cameras, affixed to the building itself,
as well as the security cameras at various other commericial
locations nearby, within sight of the building.
many of these were directly affixed to or indirectly capturing
video of the front of the building, right where timothy mcveigh
parked the truck and exited.
many eyewitnesses to the event claimed to have seen a
dark skinned man get out of the passenger seat with mcveigh
when he parked the ryder truck in front of the building.
john doe #2
the images on those cameras have never been released, the
pictures that could help capture john doe #2 have never been
shown.
they were not even used in mcveighs trials.
the single most damning piece of evidence, timothy mcveigh driving
up in the ryder truck, parking and exiting the vehicle have never
been released to the public.
why not put silence 'to those who scare peace loving people with
phantoms of lost liberty' by releasing the footage on those tapes?
a freeway cam, capturing a frame a second, isn't going to clearly
show an aircraft traveling 500whatever mph, but what about the
other footage?
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: afoaf]
#3087202 - 09/03/04 11:47 AM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Of course they confiscated the tapes, they thought they might be useful. If they weren't used in the trial, it probably turned out they didn't contain any useful evidence.
"many eyewitnesses to the event claimed to have seen a
dark skinned man get out of the passenger seat with mcveigh
when he parked the ryder truck in front of the building."
Whoopdidoo, eyewitnesses aren't really that reliable. People often forget significant details, or completely boff them up later. Many studies have been done on this.
http://www.colchsfc.ac.uk/psychology/reliability%20of%20EWT.htm
http://www.amnestyusa.org/education/lessonplans/dp9_eyewitness.html
http://www.child-custody.com/eyewitness.htm
McVeigh was most likely influenced by the Christian Identity movement. They found a copy of "The Turner Diaries", a novel that is about a massive race war, started by the bombing of a government building.
Most conspiracy theories are damned silly.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Phluck]
#3087464 - 09/03/04 12:45 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Most conspiracy theories are damned silly.
not really...if you look at what happened at Ruby Ridge, Waco
and in Oklahoma city, you'll realized that the government is
malicious and that it has the ability to execute these sorts of
events.
go further back, look at the historic precedent over the course
of time...
the great fire of rome, the reichstag, pearl harbor
all devastating events used to expedite political ends.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: afoaf]
#3087563 - 09/03/04 01:16 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ruby Ridge and Waco are examples of incompetant fuck ups on the parts of the government, I don't see how that's a decent example of how the government has the ability to execute anything properly. Oklahoma City, if you're going to claim as an example of something the government did, you've got some pretty loose and shoddy evidence to back it up, if any. I don't exactly see how Oklahoma was used to expedite political ends. It's not suprising at all that McVeigh, someone with ties to militant racist groups, would try to pull something like this off. With the different militant right wing groups in the US, it's suprising you haven't seen any other attacks like this one.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Phluck]
#3087850 - 09/03/04 02:28 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Clinton enacted Patriot Act-like legislation in the wake of OK.
as far as the waco and ruby ridge references, they illuminate
a couple points:
1. the government is capable of unconstitutionally iniating force
against citizens, to the point of murder.
2. the government is capable of burying, obscurring and distorting
facts and information regarding the details of these events in an
effort to demonize the victims and rationalize their actions.
3. the media is failing it's responsibilty to the citizens by falling in
line with the official story with very little questioning.
look around at the information regarding OK:
1. john doe #2
2. multiple explosions
3. recovered unexploded charges inside building
4. every federal agent in the building was out of the office
5. federal judges had been warned in advance
6. check out 'The Final Jihad' by Michael Keating
just as with september 11th, the Clinton administration enacted
some pretty abhorrent legislation in the wake of the bombing,
of course, most of which had already been written well before
the event.
I have very little faith in the virtues of government.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Phluck]
#3087860 - 09/03/04 02:31 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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With the different militant right wing groups in the US, it's suprising you haven't seen any other attacks like this one.
Seriously.With all the flim flam about terrorism,how come no one is talking about right wing militia wackos?
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: afoaf]
#3087940 - 09/03/04 02:51 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's a convient little list of "facts", but are they even true? Where's the evidence to back them up, or did you just read them off of some conspiracy theory site and believe them without question?
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Phluck]
#3088146 - 09/03/04 03:58 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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don't just sit there like a doubting thomas, just look around
and see what you can find.
Alex Jones', The Road to Tyranny has some interesting tidbits
of cited information if you can wade through Jones' hyperbole
and pension for the dramatic.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: afoaf]
#3088279 - 09/03/04 04:29 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: afoaf]
#3088462 - 09/03/04 05:26 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've got a gut feeling that it's entirely bullshit, mainly because I haven't seen a single piece of backed up information that is enough to foster any suspicion. If you can provide me with something, then maybe I'll be interested enough to research it, but I have very little time as it is to research legitimate topics, so I'm not going to waste my time taking some crackpot conspiracy theory seriously.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Phluck]
#3088884 - 09/03/04 07:00 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Phluck]
#3095897 - 09/05/04 06:02 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Face it, a group involving significant pieces of your government trained "terrorists", funded, planned and orchestrated 9/11, aswell as the first WTC attack, the oaklahoma city bombimg, they let pearl harbour happen, ect, ect, ect, all for the sole purpose of advancing their own agenda. America has been hi-jacked.
Yep.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Phluck]
#3096021 - 09/05/04 06:52 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Phluck said:
I wouldn't exactly call that a "neat little circular hole".
In the first one, you can see that there was damage done to a huge portion of the pentagon, that's the area as it's being rebuilt.
In the last picture you can clearly see the damage from the wings, right near the bottom of the area of impact.
Sorry, but those images were taken BEFORE the outer wall collapsed. A few minutes earlier the following photos were taken showing an intact wall. An intact wall that a commercial plane supposedly flew into at 750mph. Think.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Innvertigo]
#3096368 - 09/05/04 08:53 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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I live 45 minutes away from DC and I WENT there on 9/11. Being a fireman (and in great shape for a bit of a hike), I had a pretty easy time getting near to the pentagon. It was a fucking air plane in there. Not a space ship, not anything else, really. A LARGE airplane.
Oh, I realize that my job of SELLING AIRPLANEs might make it hard for you to believe something I saw with my own two eyes instead of liberalfuckball.net's interpretation thereof...
sorry for the quick-reply mistake
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: ]
#3096389 - 09/05/04 09:00 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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Max Headroom said:
After going through this evidence over and over over the past couple years, there is no way I can believe the official story on this one.
this should be good...
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My own opinion is that a smaller plane hit the Pentagon, not a missle or a Boeing 757. Even from just the two frames of survaillance tape, the only feasible thing that that white blur really looks like is a smaller jet. This aircraft may have even been 'dressed up' to look like an airliner at a quick glance, hence the eyewitness reports. My guess is that it was a small twin-engine private jet, maybe a Gulfstream.
My company currently owns 12 Gulfstream IV's. If you'd like to look at one of them close up, let me know where you live, i'll fly there and you can see oen of them next to a 757. Of course, it will cost you 15,000$ . PM me for details.
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Also, you would think a 757 would have caused much, MUCH more damage to the building due to fuel exploding. Disregarding the yet-fertile-green lawn and even the wing-span argument, just compare the damage at the Pentagon to the damage of one of the Twin Towers at impact and you can see something is amiss.
The Twin Towers aren't the Pentagon. That would be like setting off a firecracker inside a model house made of balsa wood and assuming that setting off a firecracked inside a model house made of case hardened steel would have the same effect.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: retread]
#3096534 - 09/05/04 09:26 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you saw the plane in there how come nobody else did.
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: retread]
#3096580 - 09/05/04 09:33 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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retread said:
I live 45 minutes away from DC and I WENT there on 9/11. Being a fireman (and in great shape for a bit of a hike), I had a pretty easy time getting near to the pentagon. It was a fucking air plane in there. Not a space ship, not anything else, really. A LARGE airplane.
Oh, I realize that my job of SELLING AIRPLANEs might make it hard for you to believe something I saw with my own two eyes instead of liberalfuckball.net's interpretation thereof...
sorry for the quick-reply mistake
Are you full of shit..or are you full of shit?
How could you have seen a plane "in there" when the plane never fully penetrated through the wall in the first place?
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: usefulidiot]
#3096615 - 09/05/04 09:41 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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and wasn't the plane pretty much destroyed beyond recognition?
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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: afoaf]
#3096997 - 09/05/04 10:58 PM (19 years, 7 months ago) |
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afoaf said:
4. every federal agent in the building was out of the office
Depends on how you define "office". I watched a special about explosives and it had an ATF agent on there who was in the OK building as it exploded. He was using a walkie-talkie to radio to outside BATF agents so that they could find him. He came down a set of steps that weren't damaged.
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