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Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon
    #3077593 - 09/01/04 12:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: daussaulit]
    #3077612 - 09/01/04 12:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome... :thumbup:


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: daussaulit]
    #3077645 - 09/01/04 12:43 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

ha...now you've done it. :shiftyeyes:


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3077655 - 09/01/04 12:47 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

You don't honestly think it was a 757 that crashed in the pentagon do you?


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Rono]
    #3077669 - 09/01/04 12:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

it was a blimp....and Bush knew.


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3077712 - 09/01/04 01:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

That's okay...you don't have to give your honest answer if it makes you uncomfortable. :smirk:


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: daussaulit]
    #3077733 - 09/01/04 01:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

interesting...


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Rono]
    #3077780 - 09/01/04 01:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I have no idea what kind of plane if any hit the pentagon. My expertise isn't forensics or anything close to it.


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Edited by Innvertigo (09/01/04 01:45 PM)


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: daussaulit]
    #3077839 - 09/01/04 01:53 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

c'mon, this can't be true.

pinky knows someone who saw the airliner hit.


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: afoaf]
    #3077876 - 09/01/04 02:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

No it's not true

[color=blue]Claim:
The damage to the Pentagon on September 11 was caused by something other than a hijacked Boeing 757's being crashed into its side.

[COLOR=blue]Status: [/COLOR][color=red] False. [/COLOR]
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: DigitalDuality]
    #3077900 - 09/01/04 02:26 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It's pretty obviously not true, a little critical thinking can tell you that. The snopes link does a pretty good job of debunking this one.


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Rono]
    #3077936 - 09/01/04 02:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

That's okay...you don't have to give your honest answer if it makes you uncomfortable




That's okay...you don't have to give your honest answer if it makes you uncomfortable...pretty quick to judge i'd say.


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: daussaulit]
    #3077988 - 09/01/04 02:48 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

One of my neighbors worked in the pentagon during that time. It was a plane that hit it.


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: z@z.com]
    #3078263 - 09/01/04 04:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Well thats enough evidence for me! Combined with the fact that Pinky also knows someone who saw the airliner hit..what doubt could there be?!!


Hey Phluck have you still got this snopes link?


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: GazzBut]
    #3078286 - 09/01/04 04:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Rono]
    #3082908 - 09/02/04 03:26 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

C'mon Rono, you're smarter than that, you don't honestly think that the evidence backing up the idea that it wasn't an airplane holds any water, do you?

First of all, the government would have to be fucking retarded to try and do that. If they want to make it look like an airplane crashed into the pentagon, all they need to do is crash an airplane into the pentagon. If it was a truck bomb, why not just say terrorists blew up a truck at the pentagon? They'd have to somehow pull hundreds (possibly thousands if you count all the people who saw the plane flying low over DC) of civilian witnesses out of their asses.

Then you've got the fact that the analysis of the crash photos is not done by any kind of expert, and the claims they're making about the photos don't even hold up. I can see for myself that the claims like "you can see that the damage covers less area than the wingspan" are bullshit.

Why the fuck would any rationally thinking person take this seriously?

Answer: Because they want to. They dislike the american government, and distrust them, and embrace any evidence they get that backs up their beliefs, whether or not it's complete bullshit. I also think the Bush government are a bunch of fucktards, but I'm not going to buy into completely baseless conspiracy theories.


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Phluck]
    #3083020 - 09/02/04 03:45 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Watching the video, I can see that the conspiracy theory has changed from a truck bomb to a missle, or fighter jet. Why? Because they got a handful of quotes from people saying "It sounded like a missle", "It sounded like a fighter jet", or "I saw something and it looked kind of like a fighter jet". In other words, unsure witnesses whose accounts contradict the accounts of the majority. They also claim that no airplane parts were found, which is complete and utter bullshit.

They do a good job of answering their own questions a few times as well. They show pictures of crash scenes where you can see a large spread out area, and compare it to the photos of where the impact occurred on the outside of the pentagon, and claim that this somehow doesn't add up (obviously they grabbed 4 or 5 pictures of crash sites and thought, 'wow, this doesn't look exactly like the pentagon crash, nevermind the fact that the pentagon is a building, and those pictures are of crashes into land, therefore the pentagon was not the same thing'), after that they go on about how all 5 rings of the pentagon were penetrated. Well, there's your answer, the reason that the front lawn of the pentagon isn't all torn up is because IT WAS NOT HIT BY THE AIRPLANE. The airplane hit the pentagon, and the crash stretched out over all 5 rings. The reason it penetrated the rings, was the same reason some people thought it sounded like a fighter jet; they were going as fast as they possibly could.

Also, the snopes link that Innveritgo posted goes into much more detail. Read the whole thing, and if you still think it wasn't a 757, tell me why the snopes article is wrong.


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Re: Conspiracy Theorists, flash movie about the Pentagon [Re: Phluck]
    #3083167 - 09/02/04 04:30 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

After going through this evidence over and over over the past couple years, there is no way I can believe the official story on this one. My own opinion is that a smaller plane hit the Pentagon, not a missle or a Boeing 757. Even from just the two frames of survaillance tape, the only feasible thing that that white blur really looks like is a smaller jet. This aircraft may have even been 'dressed up' to look like an airliner at a quick glance, hence the eyewitness reports. My guess is that it was a small twin-engine private jet, maybe a Gulfstream.

Also, you would think a 757 would have caused much, MUCH more damage to the building due to fuel exploding. Disregarding the yet-fertile-green lawn and even the wing-span argument, just compare the damage at the Pentagon to the damage of one of the Twin Towers at impact and you can see something is amiss.


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    #3083177 - 09/02/04 04:34 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The damage to the twin towers at impact isn't much different than the damage at the pentagon... and the fuel didn't explode, it just burned at a high temperature for quite a while. The reason there was so much more damage at the WTC was because the buildings collapsed. There's no way you can say with any certainty that the blurry surveillance photos look like anything, that can hardly be considered evidence either way.


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    #3083180 - 09/02/04 04:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

:shiftyeyes: :shiftyeyes: :shiftyeyes:

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After going through this evidence over and over over the past couple years, there is no way I can believe the official story on this one




What evidence would that be?


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