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 Peaceful_Nomad
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 UPDATE (Polo field) w/pics ~ Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) 
#3055004 - 08/26/04 06:55 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Polo Field Update:
Went out to the Polo field and no Pan subbs to
be found. However, Destroying Angels seem
to be enjoying our recent rain storms!
Going to the horse farm tomorrow to check
on the dung pile. Close inspection of the
haul the other day turned out to be a mixture
of Pan subbs and Pan sphinctrinus. The Pan subbs
were more squat in stature and were spore covered
by the Pan sphinctrinus. The pics I took were
difficult (at best) to ID properly. It was the hottest
day of the year and the flies and mosquitos were
abundant as well - not the most favorable environment
for taking photos.
Here are some pics of the Polo field habitat, the beauty
of deadly mushies (and my wife picking one), and a large
snapping turtle we saved on the way home (from being squished
by some unwary driver) as it was sunning itself in the road.
The snapping turtle was not happy with our intervention!
More to come in the near future.
Namaste,
Peaceful Nomad
Found at a horse farm dung pile:
Unid'd Lepiota in upper right corner.
Namaste,
Peaceful Nomad
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Edited by Peaceful_Nomad (08/28/04 07:00 PM)
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angryshroom
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 Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3055173 - 08/26/04 07:23 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you sure?
Well, I only ask because they look very different from the ones I find here on the west coast. Obviously they are Panaeolus, and the colors are correct, however the caps and stems have a different shape. ITs hard to tell from those angles.
Nice pics finds though... I guess you can tell weather or nto they are actually them better than me looking through a computer screen. 
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Peaceful_Nomad
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: angryshroom]
#3055288 - 08/26/04 07:50 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree... I was a bit confused at first... everything matches
except for some macro differences. I will take a pic of the
harvest drying and am going to a polo field tomorrow, which
has a few growing among the grasses (for comparison).
I think the differences may be precipitated by habitat, temp and
being from Kansas. The temp was 108 (heat index) today and I
will be going back on Sunday to see if there are any difference
in growing pattern (cold snap coming through) due to cooler
weather.
Thank you for the reply. I will bioassay on Saturday. Could very
well be possible that I have harvested a Pan that closely resembles
the subbalteatus variety, but is inactive.
Any other comments or suggestions are certainly welcome either
in this post or in the form of PM. Going out for the eve... will check
in later.
Namaste,
Peaceful Nomad
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 Psilygirl
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3055298 - 08/26/04 07:54 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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awesome  keep us updated
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thearmedforces
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3055401 - 08/26/04 08:23 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow tha is a beautiful patch of mushrooms despite their activity. Way to go! 5 shrooms to you.
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nofind_um
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3055620 - 08/26/04 09:14 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I can't tell from the photo
but they all don't look like
pan subbs to me.. Although as angry
stated you must have a better view...
the only grouping that I see as looking similar
is the upper left grouping in the third
photo...the rest look like.... panaeolus papilionaceus,
sphinctrinus or campanalatus!! don't know exactly which...
Just my humble opinion.. but then again
who am I... Nofindum....
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Edited by nofind_um (08/26/04 09:18 PM)
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mjshroomer
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3055639 - 08/26/04 09:16 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hav ve rewritten this post five times and each time i go to post it it crashes on me.
Those are Panaeolus sphinctrinus growing in groupings of clumps and clusters and singularly. I first noticed the fringed edges on several of the caps in the images. A whole paragraph just disappeared.
The shrooms in your image are lacking in several characateristics beloinging to the Panaeolus subbalteatus complex. one, the stipes of your mushrooms are thin, not reddish-brown and thick with fibrillous material onthe reddish-brown staining stems like found on P. subb stems.
I also noticed several caps have fringed eedges on the outer edges of the caps where the veil nbreaks away. This is conclusive of Panaeolus sphinctrinus. Subb stems, as noted above become very thick with white fibrils on them and their caps always become flat in age. Your caps are 99% bell and cone/conic in shape.
Here is a page from Angry Shroom which was donated to my ID section of the Shroomry's Ultimate Shroom Guide.
Also your color of the perfectly matches the dry grayish color of P. sphinctrinus.
http://mushroomjohn.com/species16c.htm
Those macroscopic diferences would show up if you could
post a larger image or email one to me and I will post it since i can post larger images than others.
mj
Here is a picture from my site donated by angry shroom and the URL is above.
This text is missing several notes i added. I hope it posts now that I have reworked it.
mj
Something is werong with my computer. It has crashed almost 9 times in the last two hours.
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Gumby
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3056131 - 08/26/04 11:31 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't really think those are subbs, stems are too skinny and I never have found subbs with conic caps like that. They'll either be perfectly spherical(doubt thats the right word to use) or they flaten out.
If you're brave enough to under go the sickness most pans cause, I'd say go for it. I know you're a friend of GGs(if not GG himself), so you should have a good idea of what you're doing.
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angryshroom
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: mjshroomer]
#3056599 - 08/27/04 01:32 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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MJ, your comptuer might be loaded up with too much porn...
Just kidding!!
No, you should try doing a disk cleanup and refragment your main drive. It has seemed that your computer has really been giving you problems the last few months.
If I lived closer to you, id go and help you out with it!!! 
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falseaddiction
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3058287 - 08/27/04 01:17 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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ya, def not subbs....that would have been a nice big find tho!
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3059156 - 08/27/04 05:26 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Awesome habitat potential though- neat find. They might be intermingled in clusters at ceratain spots or singular and similarly situated so be vigilent. Awesome. I wouldn't eat them though- I miss my *spot* like that.... Feeling homesick....
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 Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3060256 - 08/27/04 10:28 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Too bad those aren't subbs theres a shit load there. Great pics I finally got a digital camera so i can start posting my subb pics. Lots of rain for Ohio this week so when monday hits im hitting the hay.
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3061367 - 08/28/04 08:46 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree they are not, i find thouse growing in the same patches as subbs but they are not, the stems, first of al aren't as beefey, and the cap's have the wrong shape, plus some minor differances. I might sugest speeking with MJ more on this subject.
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ShroomerJon
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3061938 - 08/28/04 12:56 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah peace
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Peaceful_Nomad
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: ShroomerJon]
#3063130 - 08/28/04 07:04 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you everyone for your comments
and concern regarding the possible side
effects from ingesting improperly id'd pans.
No need to worry. If there was any doubt \
in my mind to what I was putting in my body,
there would be no question - I simply would
not take the chance.
Check out the polo field pics updated in
the beginning of this post. I should have
some new pics from the dung pile tomorrow
eve.
Peace to EVERYONE!
Namaste,
Peaceful Nomad
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I2ancid
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3063193 - 08/28/04 07:27 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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so they are subs or not subs?
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mjshroomer
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Re: Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3064364 - 08/29/04 03:05 AM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those look more like Lep[iota mushrooms to me than Amanitas.
mj
The volva is not of an amanita a nature not r is the scales on the stem and stalk which are awful thin.
mj
I pick Lepiotas in Thailand alot, espceially ,marcrolepiota (very edible). We need to see a flat photo cut in half to show the stem, gill structuure , a close of the cap and the volva to make an assessment that it it isndee, an Amanita.
mj
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GGreatOne234
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 Re: UPDATE (Polo field) w/pics ~ Pan Subbs from dung pile (Pics) [Re: Peaceful_Nomad]
#3071080 - 08/30/04 08:55 PM (20 years, 7 months ago) |
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awww nomad, that first image is so wonderful to see!~ 
mjshroomer is most likely right on about the Pans..
Except for this picture;
these ones almost look like they could be subbs (almost!)
-in that picture also, it looks like you might have a few Psilocybe coprophila in there..? right?
--those two shrooms in the middle though, look a little like subbalteatus though. the picture could be fooling me though, and it helps alot to see the stems..
Either way, i think you have a great place that will eventually have subbs on it if you just keep checking on it..
and im relatively sure those are Psilocybe coprophila hiding in that picture.
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