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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3073639 - 08/31/04 12:20 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Marx, Lenin, Mao.

In America, in my opinion, the Left has helped bring about many
problems(high rates of illegitamacy, high rates of welfare dependance,
a lessening of values and moral behavior which has led to high
crime rates).


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3073646 - 08/31/04 12:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

whose values?? what moral behavior has led to crime?


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: Phred]
    #3073649 - 08/31/04 12:26 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Ah! Here we go --

LAUER: You said to me a second ago, one of the things you'll lay out in your vision for the next four years is how to go about winning the war on terror. That phrase strikes me a little bit. Do you really think we can win this war of ter -- on terror? For example, in the next four years? [emphasis mine]

Pres. BUSH: I have never said we can win it in four years.

LAUER: So I'm just saying, can we win it? Do you see that?

Pres. BUSH: I don't -- I don't think we can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the -- those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in part of the world, let's put it that way. I have a two-pronged strategy. On the one hand is to find them before they hurt us. And that's necessary. I'm telling you it's necessary.

The country must never yield, must never show weakness. Must continue to lead, to find the al-Qaeda, al-Qaeda affiliates, who are hiding around the world and who want to harm us and bring them to justice. History has shown that it can work, that spreading liberty does work. After all, Japan is our close ally, and my dad -- and I don't know about your relatives -- but fought against the Japanese. And here Koizumi, Prime Minister Koizumi, is one of the closest collaborators I have in working to make the world a more peaceful place.


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5866571/

Regardless of the context of the discussion in which the statement was made and regardless of the fact that what he said is literally true, it was still a politically inept thing to say.

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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: Tao]
    #3073708 - 08/31/04 12:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- President Bush said Tuesday ``we will win'' the war on terror, seeking to quell controversy and Democratic criticism over his earlier remark that victory may not be possible.





What a flip-flopper!!!


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: deafpanda]
    #3073735 - 08/31/04 12:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i know how can we trust someone with all these damn waffles? :smirk:


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3074599 - 08/31/04 03:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Come on, you know damn well what he means. Stop splitting hairs.


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3074612 - 08/31/04 03:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

coming from a republican :lol: that's funny :lol:


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3074679 - 08/31/04 03:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I think there is a difference between saying something that is accurate, but worded in a politicaly incorrect way, and then revising that wording to avoid criticism, and voting for a war, voting not to fund it, claiming to be an anti-war candidate, and then claiming to be a defense hawk. Those are actual contradictory positions. Bush meant the same thing both times, but he changed his language to accomadate the sound bite people who ignore the context of the remark.


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3074694 - 08/31/04 03:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

excuse me but kerry voted to fund the war when it was to be paid for by rolling back bush's tax cuts on the wealthy...only when they didnt have a way to pay did he vote no....but republicans dont give u the whole story, its called spin...


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: Xlea321]
    #3074811 - 08/31/04 04:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

How many attacks have occured since 9/11?


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: retread]
    #3074828 - 08/31/04 04:33 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

on US soil on terrorism in general?


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: retread]
    #3074843 - 08/31/04 04:38 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

This rock I'm holding is keeping tigers away :shiftyeyes:


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: Tao]
    #3074851 - 08/31/04 04:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

TaoTeChing said:
This rock I'm holding is keeping tigers away :shiftyeyes:



:lol:


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: z@z.com]
    #3074981 - 08/31/04 05:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

z@z.com said:
Quote:

Learyfan said:
Let's start a "War On Idiocy". It'll be won once each and every idiotic thought is stamped out.



I say we just get rid of all the safety labels and let the problem sort itself out.




I like that idea.


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3075225 - 08/31/04 06:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Certain elements of the Left relentlessly attack anything that is
seen as having power, tradition, and influence. Religion fits into
that description, so religions and moral codes are automatically
rejected out of a senseless need to rebel without consideration.
With this lack of a moral compass, societies decay into violence and
apathy. This rejection of everything traditional poisons people's
minds with cynicism, bias, and an unwarranted vociferousness.

Also, these same certain elements love to champion whoever is viewed
as "weak". They are usually in favor of income redistribution(taking
money from productive people and giving it to non-productive
people). Getting things for free encourages laziness, indolence, and
apathy in my opinion.

I think that these things will be big factors in the continuing
decay of American society and the people who make it up.


Edited by RandalFlagg (08/31/04 06:31 PM)


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3075249 - 08/31/04 06:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

As an atheist I very much resent your implication that someone must believe in some imaginary best friend or fiery horseman to have a moral code. I very sincerely believe that abelief in a god or gods is an endemic psychosis and I don't think you have to be insane to respect other peoples right to exist. The golden rule is areligious.

I consider myself a true conservative. Not all atheists are left wing moonbats


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3075250 - 08/31/04 06:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

whose religion should we adopt this "moral compass" from?


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3075254 - 08/31/04 06:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Mine


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3075255 - 08/31/04 06:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
As an atheist I very much resent your implication that someone must believe in some imaginary best friend or fiery horseman to have a moral code. I very sincerely believe that abelief in a god or gods is an endemic psychosis and I don't think you have to be insane to respect other peoples right to exist. The golden rule is areligious.

I consider myself a true conservative. Not all atheists are left wing moonbats




i rarely agree with you (but this time i do), i am agnostic and i know that murder, theivery, etc are wrong without some bullshit dogma scaring me into behaving


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Re: Bush Suggests War on Terror Can't be Won [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3075271 - 08/31/04 06:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)


As an atheist I very much resent your implication that someone must
believe in some imaginary best friend or fiery horseman to have a
moral code.

You misunderstand me. I myself am not a Christian(although I
do believe in a Creator). I am not tying "moral behavior" to
believing in a certain supernatural being. It is not the Left's
attacks on problems caused by religion that bothers me, but there
seems to be an almost nihilist attitude of rejecting ALL morality and
restrictions on behavior.


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