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Swami
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: peleg]
#2806008 - 06/18/04 02:24 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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*sigh* No wonder we can never get to philosophical issues. Did you understand the meaning of an "event"? This is the second time in this thread this has been covered. A miracle is an event and an event denotes action of some sort. Got it? Mind is not an event. And an unknown is not a miracle. Using your defintion, the murder of Laci Peterson was a miracle because it is mystery who committed it.
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Edited by Swami (06/20/04 01:21 AM)
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Swami]
#2806099 - 06/18/04 02:42 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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What philosophical issue is being covered here? I think its a miscommunication issue to be honest with you. Would the word "marvelous" be a better substitute for a "miracle" ? The ideas they're trying to portray are easily digestable and not terribly inhuman. I consider objects that become aware of themselves and reflect the nature of the Universe (our minds) to be quite miraculous/amazing/marvelous/beautiful. This is a discussion not a trial.
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Edited by psyka (06/18/04 02:43 PM)
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Swami]
#2806909 - 06/18/04 07:15 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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well with that definition there are no miracles,
as the supernatural cannot exist in the system you're using to examine this issue.. oh well
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Swami]
#2807847 - 06/18/04 11:55 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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BEcause when jesus left it wasnt cool anymore?
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Zero7a1]
#2808058 - 06/19/04 01:42 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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There reason we hear of miracles long ago, is because, they are written in a book, no one that exists today witnessed these "miracle" we only have written "accounts".
Now and then are the same thing.
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Swami]
#2808324 - 06/19/04 04:58 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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Swami - a leg growing to normal length is certainly not the kind of thing a magician produces as a trick . Tumors ---- getting ------ removed - not the same thing dude .
Your answer to this challenge is completely inadequete (I cant spell that word but never the less it is so).
You are very good at creating diversions (legal system stuff etc) but these ancient miracles that you speak of - you didnt see them, they were a claim - so whats the difference - you cannot deny that such miraculous occurences are still claimed to happen as they once were - what I mean is that your post is suggesting that these things are only believed to have happend along time ago but this is simply not true - so for once why not admit that you are not correct ? - the post is a faux statement .
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Food]
#2808720 - 06/19/04 12:11 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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So we have ancient stories replaced by modern stories, but still no evidence.
I remember (and sclorch has an additional story on this) about a bank window in Florida being polarized or the two sandwiched panes becoming separated such as to form an image. It was claimed to be an apparition of the Virgin Mary. I drove by and saw it. It was a hazy, half-elipse looking nothing at all like any person; let alone a specific person; yet there were candles and thousands of people on the lawn and in the street.
Nut jobs one and all hoping to find salvation in a piece of silica and claiming it was a miracle. Yup, poor quality control on a piece of glass mixed with crowd hysteria was an awesome demonstration of God's magnificence.
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: silversoul7]
#2809209 - 06/19/04 04:57 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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aahahahahahah!!!!
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: illusions]
#2809232 - 06/19/04 05:07 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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The "Virgin Mary" or polarized glass?
The police estimated 10,000 wackos, er visitors, per week came by to pray or gawk.
Wonder how many if it looked like a "Gray"...
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Swami]
#2809375 - 06/19/04 06:08 PM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree such "miracles" are laughable.
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Swami]
#2810184 - 06/20/04 12:16 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good artwork though!
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Swami]
#2810245 - 06/20/04 12:49 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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A miracle would be something requiring supernatural intervention. The part of his brain controlling respiration, heartbeat and other autonomous functions was not destroyed. The doctors helped him later not right away. Why dont you get shot with a 44 mag in the head and get half your brain blown away. If you survive for more than 5 seconds ill give you 20k. If I show you a random building, you can tell the motive behind all of the people involved? I would like to see you perform such an incredible feat. The thousands (or more) people behind a building such as the architect, the planners, the financiers, the construction workers all having the exact same motive is remote in the extreme. Lol, im talking about the motive behind the one man, the one man that made the construction possible.The architects,workers etc just agreed to do their job to get paid. And the motive behind all the workers was to get paid same with the planners and financers. To Invest and gain more money. If that wasnt their motive the people involved wouldnt of asked for any money. If they did it voluntarily than you could say they didnt do it for financial gain. Swami are you aethist or something? Because you seem to go out your way to doubt Gods existence. Ok ill tell you a real miracle. There's trillions of atoms in a tennis ball right? Then how much atoms make up all the universes? (planets,suns etc) and where did this insanely large number of atoms come from?? What was the cause of the FIRST atom? Something that science cannot explain. And the big bang isnt compatible with this conversation because something had to cause the big bang in the first place. Without any atoms how can an explosion be generated? ... nothing but gods intervention which my friend is a miracle. Something that pervades all understanding of humans for it is only known by the highest manifestation of energy. So swearing in my post is letting emotionalism carry me away? Using your defintion, the murder of Laci Peterson was a miracle because it is mystery who committed it. Nope if someone murdered him than it isnt unknown, in the mind of his murderer. Just because all of mankind doesnt know, doesnt make it a mystery. Because one man in mankind does know ... thus making it known.
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: OOISI]
#2810279 - 06/20/04 01:09 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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I believe Swami is more an advocate of the Devil than a disbeliever in God.
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: OOISI]
#2810313 - 06/20/04 01:20 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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The doctors helped him later not right away. Why dont you get shot with a 44 mag in the head and get half your brain blown away. If you survive for more than 5 seconds ill give you 20k. Please mail me the .44 magnum so that I may practice first. I will PM you my address. Is your statement somehow supposed to be clever? Almost every other person shot like that will die. There was a guy in New York in the early 70s who was shot seven times point blank in the head with a .22 while being robbed. He stayed conscious while calling the ambulance and survived without a brain operation. Let's take the inverse. Maybe only 1 in 10,000 people who step on a nail will die from tetanus or an infection. Is God killing that one or saving the others? How can we know? Yes, the shooting survivals are remarkable occurences, but where is the evidence of supernatural intervention? The odds of winning the lottery may be 1 in 100,000,000 tickets but it will be won. So what? Does that mean God chose the winner just because of the rarity?
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Edited by Swami (06/20/04 02:12 AM)
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#2810387 - 06/20/04 02:01 AM (19 years, 8 months ago) |
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Baloney.
When you re-read your statement in your right mind you'll see that too.
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Swami]
#3068358 - 08/30/04 08:34 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would contend that since the laws of physics have not changed, the ancient miraculous stories are due to superstition, ignorance, and exaggerated or misquoted story-telling.
You've obviously never witnessed psychic surgery!
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Swami]
#3068384 - 08/30/04 08:53 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think that a "miracle," much like magic, is simply that which cannot be explained by contemporary scientific knowledge. So I would say that "real" miracles only happened long ago(or were more common back then) because the people at the time were not as scientifically advanced as we are today, and thus chalked up those events to divine intervention. A modern-day "miracle" could be electron particles appearing and disappearing out of thin air. Some quantum physicists have theorized that they are travelling between parallel dimensions, but of course, we don't really know.
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Re: Why did "real" miracles only happen long ago? [Re: Diploid]
#3068386 - 08/30/04 08:54 AM (19 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Quote:
I would contend that since the laws of physics have not changed, the ancient miraculous stories are due to superstition, ignorance, and exaggerated or misquoted story-telling.
You've obviously never witnessed psychic surgery!
You mean where the "surgeon" pretends to reach inside the body and pulls out bloody pieces of beef or pork which he had concealed in his hand?
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