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bobstoner
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Psilocybe cubensis "Mazatapec" on straw
#3068279 - 08/30/04 07:52 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is my first attempt @ bulk. I am going with WBS spawned to straw. I used 6 qts of spawn for this. My thought on this is if I can get the straw to colonize fast enough it should help me beat contams. This is my progress so far and I will update when I can
a hobbit's foot got in the pic
about to pasturize the straw
thats some good lookin straw tea
I know that isnt the right temp it is just a pic to show you a good method to check the temp, have your therm float with a piece of styrofoam(typo I am in a hurry)
And that is it for now. I checked on it for the first time this morning and there is some growth. I will update with pictures soon.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3068944 - 08/30/04 11:50 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looking very nice, I find that straw colonizes very quickly at the right temperature, and the fruits can be of insane size. Mixing in manure help to get more flushes, this may be something to think about for your next bulk grow.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3069947 - 08/30/04 04:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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oh fuck yeah, i cant wait to see how this turns out. good luck! i hope you get a huge ass harvest; no contams 
crazychemist only had a 70L sterilite, w/ 4.5qts of spawn, and he got 12oz dry. you should get atleast a pound, make sure you patch and have even growth peaking through the casing layer.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: ]
#3072922 - 08/31/04 07:06 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Erik: I would love to do some manure but right now I am stickin with just straw
Kotton: thx for the kind words. CrazyChemist is who inspired this.
I was just wondering if you look @ the pic of the finished product up there. It was very hard to get my plastic very tight to the surface of the straw. Should I go back and try to fix this or not? I kinda wanna just leave it alone so I dont introduce any contams, but I dunno what would be the better idea. Also I am gonna wait to post any more pics until it is colonized pretty well, that is unless you guys wanna see some.
Also just as an update as I dont have any pics with this post, there are about 10 or so spots where the myc is poking through and seems to be moving pretty well. I am thinking about opening up my incubator and then placing this this tub on top of it to help incubate it, as last time I checked the temp inside the bulk container is about 79-80 degrees.
Post what you think, any comments are welcome. Right now it is just a waiting game so reading what you guys have to say helps kill some time...I guess
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3072957 - 08/31/04 07:27 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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i see no problem with the plastic, unless you forgot to poke holes in it if you did poke holes, then yes, let it go. take and post pics as YOU see fit. this is your log. as for incubating, bulk grows done like this can incubate themselves. the mycelium gives off a few degrees of heat of its own, so im sure its about 82 - 83ish.(which is fine) but dont take my word for it, let someone more experienced insight you about what to do here. i mean incubating it wouldnt hurt anything...there is really only one way to find out what actually works better though, and thats to experiment for yourself. good luck bro
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: ]
#3073085 - 08/31/04 08:27 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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My handy dandy drill helped me with the holes in my plastic When I get home I will check the temp again and if it isnt above 80 I shall incubate just a weeee bit.
I shall post a wee update tomorrow
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3073257 - 08/31/04 10:01 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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great...i can't wait to see it!
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: myndreach]
#3073403 - 08/31/04 10:55 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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a drill is a bit overkill for plastic wrap, a clean razor or fork would do fine. How are you incubating the bin?
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Gr0wer]
#3077147 - 09/01/04 06:46 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nahh it wasnt overkill, I just folded up the plastic and drilled it like 4 times and that made all the holes for me . Well it is incubating itself in my closet. When I left this morning it was @ 85.0 degrees. The AC wasnt on so when our AC is on it was @ like 82 or 83. I am happy with that. Also I went to take some pictures today and my camera batteries died . So today will just be a text update. The straw is about 25-30% colonized. I am wondering, my straw seems to have moved away from the edges when I tucked in the plastic, would it be smart of me to push it down so the straw is nice and even and against the wall? I just dont wanna do to much with it as I dont want it to contam, because that would suck.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3082223 - 09/02/04 10:39 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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??? any answers to the above question?
Also I probably wont be updating again until after this weekend. So my next pics should be of some fully colonized straw. Wish me luck.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3095808 - 09/05/04 05:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looking great! I was thinking after the first post that your technique looks familiar, I felt like I was viewing my old thread. 
Anyways, I would encourage you to exposes the straw to about 95F constantly. I tried a second grow like my first and just let it go with the summer temps.... bad news, both contamed and took almost one month to colonize. My other grow fully colonized in 9 days with no contams over its more than 2 month life of fruiting across 9-10 flushes and yes 12oz as stated above, thanks Kottonmouth. 
One more thing, don't forget to dunk!

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Some updates. I am so close to 100% it aint even funny. Yesterday I PCed all my casing layer. I ment to grab some pics of it but I didnt, not all that exciting anyway just some verm/coir in 8 1qt. jars. I didnt know how much to make so I just made a shitload of it. To make a nice even casing layer I am gonna make some rings out of paper (to lazy to go buy PVC or anything like that). I will just cut some strips of paper then tape them together. Anyone see any downsides to this? Also I went to wallyworld yesterday and picked up some more spray bottles and some rubbing alcohol and peroxide. So now I got 3 solutions: bleach, alcohol, and peroxide. I was wondering when I apply the casing layer should I mist the surface of the straw with the peroxide solution? I dunno if this would be overkill but I was just wondering as I have made it this far.
CC: I loved your log man, I was very excited to see you respond to mine. I think maybe the reason it took so long for your second to colonize was maybe contams set in early on and caused the colonization to slow and then the contams just took over. Trust me I will be dunking, but I am trying to think about how to do it. I am just going to dunk in the tub, but I dunno what I am gonna do about letting it sit some, like how you let yours sit on oven racks(didnt you?. I think mine might be a little to long to try that, so any ideas are welcome.
Time for some pics. These were taken this morning. I am hopeing by about 4 or 5 today it will be done so I can case it, but if I need to I will wait


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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3103265 - 09/07/04 12:56 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow man, lookin good! 8 quarts worth of casing layer is plenty. the more inches worth you put on, the longer it will take to colonize and the bigger the fruits if you got a 3-4 incher,then your bound to get some foot longers. so make sure you still have a foot's worth of room for shrooms to grow if you put on that thick of a casing layer(so they got room enough to grow til viel breaks).
Since its your first time doin bulk, id suggest 2in at the most, but YOU do what YOU feel. either way im praying for you to have an amazing grow with no contams. keep visualizing success man
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3110286 - 09/08/04 08:42 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, oven racks may no work with a tub of that size. You can always try using two racks and having another person assist you in removing that massive load of straw from the tub.
The are probably right about the contams. The day I spawned was hot as hell and I was in a room with no windows or breeze for obvious reasons. I was sweating like crazy and I think I dripped in the tubs. Growing for me works better in the winter, more stable temps in my area (indoors that is).
I want some pics with the plastic pulled up a bit, hard to see what is going on!
Anyways, I hope this treats you as well it treated me. By the looks of it you are well on your way to surpassing me. As I said before I am no pro, just a guy who read enough to try the less traveled road and succeed at it. I think I have inspired 10 or so people to try. I'll keep my eye on your thread.
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Yeah I think I will deffinatly need help hoisting that brick outa there and putting it back in.
Same thing happened with me, I saw 2 drops of sweat go in. Scared me but maybe I am not as dirty as u 
Ohh I got some pics for ya. Trust me I know how many people you encouraged, I have read ur post prolly 20+ times. Also the weird thing is we both cased on the 8th of the month (no I am not a stalker), but this is great because I can compare the progress.
So yesterday I decided it was time to case. I had a lil spot of uncolonized straw, but I think I will be good. My method was as follows: First I misted the brick with 1:1 h202/water mixture. Then I laid down my homemade rings to get a level casing layer (it was just paper that I taped together that is what the blue dots are, it was the only tape I had). Next I laid down the casing layer and then I again misted it with h202 mixture. ON WITH THE PICS



 Just for you CC 


 looks dry because of the flash

 2ft wide
 1ft long
 about 1.5ft high
Hope you enjoy. I got it incubating right @ 84-86 should go fast, atleast I hope so.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3114459 - 09/09/04 03:45 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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cant wait, cant wait!
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: ]
#3115956 - 09/09/04 09:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looking good! Are those more jars on the way or emptys? How deep is the casing + substrate?
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Gr0wer]
#3118133 - 09/10/04 11:01 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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those are the 8 jars of casing that he sterilized....
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: ]
#3118383 - 09/10/04 12:14 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Damnnn, keep up the clean, professional work.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: dr_gonz]
#3119547 - 09/10/04 05:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey,
The casing layer is 1 1/4" deep. I checked on it today and no growth as expected, going to wait and check again on sunday. Even though I will prolly look tomorrow :P
It is actually 8 jars, of which I used them all. I need to make like 2 more for patching and the such. I need to go buy some more coco-coir.
Speaking of which how do you guys know how much coir will expand into what. I always dont know how much to break off the block to moisturize. Any tips?
I am so excited I cant wait.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3119933 - 09/10/04 07:13 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow thats a thick casing! It might be a bit too thick but i havent experimented with casings that thick, ~1/2" is the norm. I was asking for the whole depth of substrate and casing. I just have a pre expanded block of coir in a bag and go off that but a brick makes about 2.5 gal or about 1/3 of a cubic foot. From that you can figgure out your cubic inches of casing then convert to cubic feet. But having it pre expanded is much easier and always steralize extra.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: dr_gonz]
#3120905 - 09/10/04 11:15 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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hehe, i told your ass man! 8! 6 jars of spawn, yes, but 8 jars worth of casing, which is what dude was asking 
if you guys would seriously just keep up and read everything that the poster says, you can find the answers to your questions. Bob is very informative, he knows what to say....yet he still gets needless questions 
you really that stoned?
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3120945 - 09/10/04 11:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've had problems with uncolonized straw..which is why I always use a top layer of spawn either alone or mixed with verm....the drawback is you can't see the straw colonizing but if its at the proper temp and you used enough spawn it will be done in 2 weeks
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Walrus: Yeah when I was putting all the spawn in the straw I debated on whether or not I should put some wbs on the top, but in the end I decided not to as I hadn't seen anyone else doing it. Also I really couldn't get out of the bathroom to check the forums because I didn't wanna introduce new air to the room. And because of really no air circulation it got so damn hot in that bathroom Gr0wer: The Substrate is about 5-6 inches deep so really that casing is a good depth. I did some reading before putting it down so... How long do you keep that pre-expanded coco-coir. Even though it would be PCed before use, could storing it long term be bad? I wouldn't think so though because it doesn't have any nutrients. Does it? I think I can hold out on checking it till tomorrow. This keg sitting next to me sure will help me with that Gotta love college game days. Till next time. edit: Kotton: Yeah I try to be very thorough, as I don't know when the next time I can post will be, so I try to answer the questions before they come :P Although, please post any you might have that is why I started this. I love seeing people post.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3122248 - 09/11/04 12:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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It shouldnt go bad, just drain it out well. There are minimal nutes so contams arent likely to colonize it.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: dr_gonz]
#3123154 - 09/11/04 05:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yo bob, what's the significance of those "rings"? and what are they?
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Society]
#3126692 - 09/12/04 06:12 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Checked on it today. Not to much myc comming through. I am gonna patch what I need to tomorrow. Also gr0wer I am gonna pick up some more coco-coir and go ahead and expand it all then just store it.
SocietyR: That was to help me make a nice even casing layer. They were just paper as it was all I had. Next time I am gonna use PVC the paper was really flimsy but it got the job done. You just make the rings the height of what you want the casing layer to be then put down the casing layer and remove the rings.
I will have pics tomorrow morning. Seeya then
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3127366 - 09/12/04 09:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I always store my coir...I add as little as much boiling water as possible to expand it then just keep it in a freezer bag or verm bag or whatever...when time to case I mix it with some verm add water with a lil h202 and case....the casing layer dosen't need to be sterilized...imo the main reason for casing layers developing mold is contams growing from nutes off the substrate in the coir and then surfacing...so I always spray a lil h202/water down on my substrate before adding the casing layer EDIT: just don't keep the coir at fc make sure its as dry as possible while also being expanded...I've tried keeping fc verm/coir and had nothing but contams with that
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3127422 - 09/12/04 09:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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You dont even have to fully expand it, there can be a few chunks. After a day or so the dry chunks should slowly mositurize and break up.
Or you can always squeeze out the extra water
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3127783 - 09/12/04 11:10 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lookin good. Can't wait to see the first flush.
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Thanks for the coco-coir tips guys. Gonna do that today. Also checked on the casing and I got a good lookin spot pokin through. Gonna patch it. Also those pics I promised you guys, well I forgot I let a friend borrow my camera I will call him today and say I need it. Each day just gets me more excited, I cant wait.
On another note last night I had the weirdest dream. I drempt that I went to check on the grow and when I did there was a blanket in there that had mushrooms all over it. Then I decided that I should take the blanket out because there is no need for a blanket in there. When I did everything went to shit and there was like nothing left in the tub. I got so scared. Then I woke up and was relieved to find out it was all in my head. Might seem weird to you guys but you know how hard it is to describe a dream.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3129623 - 09/13/04 01:11 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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hmm, well it meant something. you use a blanket for warmth(most people do anyways). so maybe if the temp drops a shitload you could get contams? but if you keep the temps up you will have success.
i mean its just pure speculation, only you know what it meant, meditate on it if you want.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: ]
#3137135 - 09/14/04 11:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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UMMMMMM get that camera hurry. I wanna see.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: xmercury]
#3137871 - 09/15/04 06:48 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am trying man. I tried to call my friend who has my camera yesterday, but it seems his phone was dead. I am gonna try and get it today. It also looks like I am getting strep throat. My tonsils are basically white. So I am going to the doc today.
On another note it looks like the casing is going to explode here any day. So flicking on the lights isn't very far away. Oh boy. I will post once I get pictures. I aim to please.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3140729 - 09/15/04 07:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Don't forget to patch. Looking forward to pics.
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Sorry to disappoint again but I am going to. Still don't have my camera so another text update I wanna post pictures as badly as you wanna see them trust me. I love looking @ others pictures so I know how you guys feel.
On another note yesterday I had to patch about 1/4 of the casing. Any day now those lights will be coming on Also I had to patch with straight verm as our pet store here doesn't have any coco-coir. Pissed me off it is a nice little pet store and they looked @ me like WTF are you talking about coco-coir. So I guess I will get it online.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3142961 - 09/16/04 09:51 AM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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no one ever knows what coco coir is...you have to ask for coconut husk/shell fibre for reptile bedding
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Yeah so I had a stoner moment this morning. I came on here typed up my post uploaded the photos and then previewed the post. Then thinking the preview was my post I closed the window :P So here is the repost if that is what you call it. Walrus: they deffinatly dont have cococoir they only have 2 types of bedding. Which really sucks, but I am going to buy in bulk from some place online. On with the show. On Saturday I initiated pinning. I tried my best to patch the casing, but I got lazy. I could of sterilized some more verm to patch with, but I just said fuck it. I think I will be alright. Here are the pics post your comments. I CANT WAIT FOR THE PINS
btw, the reason for the dark spots in this pic are all the patching was done with verm and that middle section = 50/50 verm/coir also I think that section is gonna do just fine. Atleast I hope it will
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3155868 - 09/20/04 01:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah, thats fine man, the flush will still be nice. i cant wait either.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3156773 - 09/20/04 04:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice , I will be watching.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3157170 - 09/20/04 06:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Looking beautiful. I had a little under-colonized area in the middle of mine also. That flush should be kick ass.
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Actually over the course of yesterday it filled in that spot. I am trying to get atleast 4 fannings in a day. I will keep you updated.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: vc77]
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Cant wait to see the new set of pictures!
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Cryogenicz]
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he should have pins any day now
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The whole world is watching. The whole world is watching, bob stoner.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: dr_gonz]
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Ohhh we have pins :P Got em on Sunday and haven't been able to post until today. I got a lot of pics, some blurry but I decided to put them on here anyway. I just am so excited about the pins I don't care about the blurry photos. I also cant wait till I can get a new camera with macro. OHHHHH momma Here they are:
And a little extra. Check out the weather thx to Jeanne.
SO EXCITED! Also thx to http://imageshack.us/ for the image hosting. Great host, nice and fast, to bad I am too cheap to donate. Makes me feel kinda bad.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
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nice man, if you can, keep us updated every 24 so we can see their daily progress. only a matter of days now
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Thats awesome
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3195522 - 09/29/04 12:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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thanks man i mean if you can, why not? makes the log all the more interesting.
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I totally agree.
On a side note, I hope these guys dont go to fast. I am not gonna be home friday night - sunday afternoon, and I don't have anyone I could trust about doing it for me. I am just afraid of having a shit ton of spores drop. So I am hoping for the best.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3198130 - 09/29/04 11:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago) |
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Those are gonna be some monsters dude! Excellent log. I've got a straw bed running right now, here's hoping I see some results like yours!
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: chunder]
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chudder: Awsome man. Post some pics.
Time for my daily update.



What do you guys think, you think I will be able to make it till Sunday? At this rate I think I'm going to see a lot of dropped spores on Sunday, but it looks like it is the only way.
Also I think one reason I didnt get as many pins is the fact that my casing layer was like covered in little drops of water. If you look in my first pic you can see them reflecting pretty well. Whatever though.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
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Hmm, I dunno, Sunday may be a day too late..
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3199822 - 09/30/04 12:11 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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You should be fine.
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I doubt you'll make it. Even if a few do sporulate just take prints so you get something good out of it. Eating sporulated mushies is funny, you get black lips and tongue. :P
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
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Very awesome. I have a few questions on this technique:
1) After you have all your straw/WBS in the container and "tuck it in" with plastic do you then place the lid on the container? I would think things would dry out if you didn't have the lid on.
2) After the casing has been applied, Shroomgod's technique says to put the plastic back on but do not pack it down. That seems a bit weird to me. Couldn't you simply put the lid on the container and be fine?
3) When you're ready to initiate pinning you don't have to have a hole-free piece of plastic over the container do you? Just the lid with some light diffusing material installed to allow light in like chrazychemist did ?
4) When do you begin spraying the sides of the container for humidity?
5) Lastly, is it ok to pressure cook one extra casing jar and store it for later patching? Wasn't sure if it is bad to store it or not, but it seems like it would stay sterile in the jar.
Thanks for help and I'm sorry for asking so much. But it's the details that end up getting ya
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Oppressed]
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Opp: 1. Yeah I put the lid back on. I also had my tub sitting on a smaller tub with my aquarium heater in it to help the temps. 2. I did as the tek said. I just laid my piece of plastic back on top of the casing layer and didnt apply pressure. 3. You can do as CrazyC did, or you can just lay a piece of plastic on top. Personally I just laid a piece of plastic on the top. It was easy/cheap/didnt have to have an extra lid lying around or in that case a lid I couldnt use for colonization. 4. Yeah about misting, I havent. My casing is wet enough. I havent misted this whole time and I have beads of water on my casing. I think this might be why I just dont have a sea of shroomz. Whatever though I got plenty growin and I think the second flush will be better. 5. I dont see a problem with it. What I will say is that if you are doing a tub of this size, make up more then 1 jar of casing material for patching. This woulda helped me a lot since I was lazy and didnt feel like pc'ing a second time. So I only had 1 jar and kinda ran out. I love helping people, so ask away. Now on with the pictures. I got lazy today and decided just to upload to shroomery. Also look @ the sides of the casing. Where the casing has moved away from the tub some there are just shrooms flourishing. It is crazy.
So I am deffinatly going to be waiting until sunday to harvest. Wish me luck. Also no updates until then I will try to get some pics right before I leave. My next posting will probably be monday morn. I shall have tons of pics and the wet weight. Edit: Also a question for you guys. Since I am leaving for a bit. I got my airpump and 2 bubble wands. Now last time I left for 1 day I put the bubble wands in there attached to the sides with the suction cup things they come with. It did a good job giving air, but the suction cups sucked. I am wondering when I leave this time should I just run the 2 airhoses into my tub without the bubble wands? Also should I run both airhoses or just 1. I know that last thing is kind of vague but just give me your input guys.
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Also something I didnt ask. Anyone else who has done bulk, what is your setup for the first stage of drying? I gotta build myself a setup to airdry them before I start the damprid process. Any suggestions welcome, but I will say I am not looking for something like just set them on a box fan.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3204067 - 10/01/04 02:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Use your window screens in frame as a drying surface. You can put them anywhere jacked up on books or 2x4's
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Gr0wer]
#3205320 - 10/01/04 09:49 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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A good method is to get a cheesecloth sack or a mesh laundry sack, any kind of net-like material. Fill it with shrooms and drape it over a fan of any size. 24 hours and you're ready for the dessicant chamber.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Gr0wer]
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Update time.
These first pictures were taken yesterday.




 And then these are from this morning. Notice how a lot of them fell over. There is nothing I can do about this till I am able to get back home and harvest, no biggy though.



Now I dont think my caps are going to open because the veils have already broken and I can see some spores that have fallen out of the openings of the caps. I dunno if I am right but one reason I think they arent going to open is because I wasnt home to fan them and the single line from my air pump wasnt putting in enough air. This is just what I think I could be wrong. I wont be able to harvest till later today, so we will see if any of the caps open up.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3212899 - 10/04/04 07:14 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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sweet mate, sweet, u give me inspiration  cant wait for harvest weights.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
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The caps will open, it's part of the mushroom cycle (unless they abort, which they didn't). Maz's don't always open symetrically all around, but they'll open.
Awesome, awesome, awesome. Great job, pat on the back and all that good stuff.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3214302 - 10/04/04 02:36 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Impressive.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3214488 - 10/04/04 03:28 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice, get us a fresh or dry weight on them babies if you can, im curious as fuck.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3215394 - 10/04/04 07:01 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I bet your head high in mushrooms by now. Have fun picking em!
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: dr_gonz]
#3221795 - 10/06/04 06:55 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here ya go. Just shy of 1900g wet
This first one is of what I harvested first and then the second pic is the rest of it.


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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3222302 - 10/06/04 11:08 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I might ask, what were your expenses going into this?
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3222482 - 10/06/04 11:54 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats fuckin awesome, do you got that bitch dunking now? thats a hell of a haul man
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3223659 - 10/06/04 04:43 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice harvest! Trip ballz
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3225630 - 10/06/04 11:24 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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fuckin sweet bro...I honestly didn't think you'd be anywhere near that...did you mention tub size? I haven't read your first post(I just looking at the pictures lol :P) I don't read many grow logs tho so don't take offence...I look at the pictures and check out replys...anyways the reason I mention tub size is cause I was thinking it was something like a 76lt but it must be must be at least double that 
mushrooms are not the prettiest but when you get that kinda weight who cares right? ...I must admit tho I always try to grow for weight and nice healthy pretty shrooms...not that it always happens but its always a goal
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Looking nice! I would have expected a little more in weight in comparison to my grow since your tub was much bigger. But it is a kick ass yield. You will probably triple that number through your flushes. Straw likes to give many many flushes!
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3226166 - 10/07/04 02:10 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice. yes do give us more details on tub size and other variables like expenditures for such a wonderful harv.
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Wow. Great job, bob stoner.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Society]
#3227334 - 10/07/04 12:04 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Its a 30 gal tub.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Gr0wer]
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First off all info about the setup can be found in my previous posts. I got the tub volume and dimensions somewhere in there.
Now on my expenses I dont really know. I bought the smaller tub for my incubator, my water heater for it, the big tub, straw. Alot of the other stuff I already had. I would say I spent 50-60 bucks.
CChem: Yeah I know, my pin set wasnt to awsome (prolly my fault) and I didnt let the caps open up more. On this next flush I am gonna wait till some spores drop so I can get some nice prints. Also speaking of next flush I already got new pins showing :P
I should have dry weight by monday. They are sitting with some damprid right now
I need to find a better way of dunking my huge ass block. The only way I could get it to sink was to put 2 bricks on it and then on top of that I filled my incubator with water and sat it on the bricks. This put a shit ton of pressure on the two spots where the bricks were. 1 of the spots has a nice indent and the other spot recovered. Any ideas on how I can do this next time. I also didnt poke the holes in my block to allow water to soak in through the holes. I might do it next dunk, I might not we will see.
Until next time
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3232250 - 10/08/04 08:52 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I cant wait to see the second flush.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3233105 - 10/08/04 12:51 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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As far as dunking I would would use something like an oven rack or some sort of grill thing like that. You can find smaller racks in most stores that carry cooking supplies. Perhaps lay a piece of clean plastic on top of the straw, lay the grill on that, and then place a tub filled with bricks on top of the grill. This way the weight is evenly distributed, you dont get wet bricks, and the plastic protects the mycellium from gettin damaged too badly from the grill. Haven't tried this yet, but I'm planning to dunk my straw bed that way when the time comes.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3233439 - 10/08/04 02:36 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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so i just read the entire log, because i've been shroomery idle for a while now, and i'd just like to say WOW!! you have done an excellent job bob stoner and are truly an inspiration.
i know this is your first bulk but how long have you been cultivating mushies? i'd just like to know a little about your experience level before taking on the bulk and doing such a fine job. cheers, and i'm very excited to see some dry weight/pictures.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: chunder]
#3234194 - 10/08/04 06:17 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I prefer using coke crates...you push down on your casing and flip over the tub(need a person to help usually) if the tub is too high use 2 crates...this is so you don't break your substrate getting it out...sometimes it wants to stick to the bottom and you'll have half of it break out and half stuck to the bottom
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3236976 - 10/09/04 04:25 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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enjoyin your shrooms, homie?
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: ]
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bob,
I was wondering about the tube you have sticking into your grow chamber, what is that for? Looks as though it has condensation in it so I was thinking it ran down to the water filled tub you have below for humidity or something. The tube I'm referring to is in this pic http://img28.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img28&image=DSC01617.jpg
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Oppressed]
#3237561 - 10/09/04 09:13 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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It looks like its for an aquarium air pump. Most pumps are have too low air exchange to support such a big casing without fanning.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Gr0wer]
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First off thanks everyone for taking interest in my grow.
Chudder: Good info I might try it that way. I am lazy though and another trip to the store might be to much :P Unless I am @ the store anyway
Today: Before this bulk. I have done 2 pf grows. Both of which I made into casings. All I have to say is it is a lot easier then they say it is. Just use Magash's Grain Tek and you're key.
Walrus: Thx for the info once again might try it out and I might not.
Kotton: You know it
Oppressed: It goes to my air pump. I had it in there for when I went out of town for 2 days to atleast give the casing some air exchange.
Gr0wer: Ur always on the money :P
The second flush is lookin like the first one. So I dont have an even bed of shrooms but it will still be nice. I got some fatties growin. This time around I am waiting for caps to open up. Should make for some nice pics. I will get some pictures up sometime. Only thing I wish was that we werent going out of season for cubes out side. If it was going to be season when my casing is spent I was going to plant it outside but what can you do.
Seeya
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3242329 - 10/11/04 09:14 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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bury it anyway, what do u have to lose?
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: dr_gonz]
#3245181 - 10/11/04 09:27 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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How often did you fan with that band aid air pump? You can go with the meathod with polyfill stuffed in large holes just aove the casing and at the top of the lid for passive ventilation.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3270355 - 10/24/04 02:20 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey bro, hoping everything is all right on your end. updates????
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: ]
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updates?
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I am a'ok. Just lazy. The last flush brought me 2300g so about 8 ounces. This next flush is small, with some big guys. I accidentally dunked for about 29 hrs. I dont know if it did any damage, or if it is the reason for a small flush or just running out of nutrients. I dunno what the 4th flush is going to look like.
If I get out of lazy mode I will try to post some of the pictures I have taken.
If I do another bulk I think I will be doing a poo/straw one. I cant wait to see some monsters I get from that. On my last flush I had some big guys but nearly all of the shrooms fell over near the end. So when I harvested I had a fucking pile to pick through. Fun Fun
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3274493 - 10/25/04 07:04 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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good to hear bro, about u being ok. but no pics?????? thats a bummer
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: ]
#3383002 - 11/19/04 05:45 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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great job man, im about to go out and get some straw
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: tps]
#3463424 - 12/08/04 06:30 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry for not posting a lot more pics, I got lazy on you guys. I just thought I would post and let you all know that this setup got me well over a pound. Good Stuff.
It finally started to die out on me only giving me like 10 well sized mushrooms on the last 2 flushes then it succumbed to the GREEEEN. This happened about a week ago. So that casing is off to that wonderful place in the sky.
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: bobstoner]
#3465136 - 12/08/04 02:39 PM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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how does a person ise pvc to make a even casing layer?
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[quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Re: BULK: Meza on Straw [Re: Psychoslut]
#3474571 - 12/10/04 01:43 AM (19 years, 1 month ago) |
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cut the pvc pipe down to equal lengths, lay the circles across the top of the colonized bulk, pour on the casing layer till it reaches the tops of all of the pvc circles, remove the circles, Taaadaaa.
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