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OfflineWorf
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The Missing Medal
    #3054578 - 08/26/04 07:46 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5831541/site/newsweek/

Looks like someone got a bronze star that day for even saving Thurlow's life! Kerry didn't write the report for that medal either.


Edited by outputrotation (08/26/04 09:25 PM)


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Re: The Missing Medal [Re: Worf]
    #3054605 - 08/26/04 07:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What do you mean either? He wrote all three.


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Re: The Missing Medal [Re: Worf]
    #3055191 - 08/26/04 09:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

RTFM

"Lambert?s surviving military records do not include the initial recommendation for this medal, so there is no way to know who filled the required role of witness to vouch for Lambert?s actions. But the citation contains such detail about the actions of both Thurlow and Lambert?actions that Kerry cannot have known since his launch was on the far side of the river?that it seems implausible Kerry could have written the recommendation"


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Re: The Missing Medal [Re: Worf]
    #3055509 - 08/26/04 10:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Why would he.

Righties can't face reality: John Kerry is a war hero, and he's also a constitutional hero for protesting that war.


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Re: The Missing Medal [Re: Worf]
    #3056004 - 08/27/04 12:46 AM (12 years, 10 months ago)

outputrotation quotes Newsweek:

Quote:

"Lambert?s surviving military records do not include the initial recommendation for this medal, so there is no way to know who filled the required role of witness to vouch for Lambert?s actions. But the citation contains such detail about the actions of both Thurlow and Lambert?actions that Kerry cannot have known since his launch was on the far side of the river?that it seems implausible Kerry could have written the recommendation"




I would trash this myself, but aceofspades has already done it pretty thoroughly, so I'll cut and paste from him instead : http://ace.mu.nu/archives/042895.php --

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Oh, I see, it "seems implausible." There's no way that a man writing an after-action report for the entire sqaudron of boats could possibly have asked his fellow officers about their actions during the events before writing his report.

I mean, there you go right there. Check and mate. It "seems implausible" that Kerry asked Thurlow, "What were you doing during this event?"

This ridiculous bit of fancy relies upon the unstated and obviously-wrong assumption that a "report" can only contain reports of events witnessed first-hand, sort of like sworn court testimony. This is absurd; were this the case, no unit could submit a single after-action report, because each and every man would have to submit a personal report of what he personally did and saw.

Obviously, an after-action report for the entire unit will contain some reports of things seen by all and some reports of things seen by only some of the men-- not everything will be personally witnessed by the writer. It is, you see, a report, gathered from the unit as a whole, not the personal eyewitness testimony of the man writing the report.

This is so obvious that John Barry of course needs to suggest this assumption while not actually stating it; were he to state it, it would be blatantly obvious he's just making silly shit up.

If that's John Barry's notion of what a "report" is -- direct eyewitness testimony only -- than how on earth did he write his own report?

Since John Barry was not a direct eyewitness to any of the events he reports upon, it "seems implausible" that he could possibly have written this article. After all, "reporting" requires being a first-hand eyewitness to the events reported; as it "seems implausible" that John Forbes Kerry could possibly have written a report about events he did not personally or directly witness, it must also "seem implausible" that John Barry wrote his report.

Please tell me this is a joke. This is outrageous. The press is inventing rationales that "seem implausible" to "debunk" the SwiftVets.

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Re: The Missing Medal [Re: Zahid]
    #3059099 - 08/27/04 07:08 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:
Why would he.

Righties can't face reality: John Kerry is a war hero, and he's also a constitutional hero for protesting that war.




How are people able to confuse "war hero" and "war criminal"?


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Re: The Missing Medal [Re: Worf]
    #3059679 - 08/27/04 09:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

That was yesterday, looks like they found the guy today. Lets ask him if there was fire.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5835000/

Here are some exerpts:
"A Swift Boat crewman decorated in the 1969 Vietnam incident where John Kerry won a Bronze Star says not only did they come under enemy fire but also that his own boat commander, who has challenged the official account, was too distracted to notice the gunfire..."
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A career military man, Lambert is no fan of Kerry?s either. He doesn?t like Kerry?s post-Vietnam anti-war activity and doesn?t plan to vote for him.
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"'Always a firefight'
?When they blew the 3-boat, everyone opened up on the banks with everything they had,? he said. ?That was the normal procedure. When they came after you, they came after you. Somebody on shore blew that mine.?

?There was always a firefight? after a mine detonation, he said.

?Kerry was out in front of us, on down the river. He had to come back up the river to get to us.?"

All the documentation supports kerry. The idea that kerry wrote all the documentation and lied about it is just absurd


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